Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: Sun's OpenWin (X11+Motif+DPS extension, IIRC) ... I'm fairly sure OpenWin did not include Motif, at least initially (although it may have been added later -- my experience with OpenWin ended with SunOS 4). olwm had a look and feel all its own. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg (Polytropon)
When it installs it comes with twm (Trivial Window Manager) Tom's Window Manager? A great little wm :) http://www.cpcnw.co.uk/twm/twmrc.htm ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
From: Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net To: John or Judy Hixson johnorj...@earthlink.net; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 8:24:23 PM Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg --As of June 10, 2011 4:26:27 PM -0700, John or Judy Hixson is alleged to have said: I'm having trouble getting Xorg to run on my just recently installed FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE(i386) system. I'm trying to follow the procedures in Sections 5.3 and 5.4 of the Handbook and can't seem to get startx to fire up; I get a black screen when I try. Here's what I've done so far: --As for the rest, it is mine. Weird question: Have you installed xterm yet? Without a window manager configured, startx will try to open X with a single xterm window. (At least, as installed from ports, I believe.) I'm not sure what it would do if it couldn't find xterm, but a blank black screen sounds possible... If I'm right, Xorg is _running,_ you just haven't started any programs in it. Which you might be able to see if you ssh'd into the box. If so, you could kill Xorg and get your terminal back on your standard terminal. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I have installed and configured Xorg many times on several different machines. When it installs it comes with twm (Trivial Window Manager) which is the default, no frills window manager. It should have installed with the Xorg port. If you installed via pkg_add I can't say for sure that tvw installs by default, but using the ports it will. Without a window manager, you will see nothing but a black graphics screen when you run startx. There are loads of other windows managers and choices for desktop. I am a big believer in the KISS method and prefer not to add in all the overhead that comes with KDE or GNOME and I just use tvm. I can open any application and it looks fine, I can open several Xterm windows with it and spread them across my dual monitor setup. It just works for me but I'm sure others will toot their horns for KDE and GNOME, etc... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
On Jun 12, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: I have installed and configured Xorg many times on several different machines. When it installs it comes with twm (Trivial Window Manager) [ ... ] twm doesn't stand for Trivial Window Manager-- it stands for Tom's Window Manager because it was written by Tom LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:25:02 -0700, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 12, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: I have installed and configured Xorg many times on several different machines. When it installs it comes with twm (Trivial Window Manager) [ ... ] twm doesn't stand for Trivial Window Manager-- it stands for Tom's Window Manager because it was written by Tom LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. Without any further investigation and research, my brain seems to remember that is's (also?) called Tab Window Manager. Is my brain wrong here? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: twm doesn't stand for Trivial Window Manager-- it stands for Tom's Window Manager because it was written by Tom LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. Stood for, you mean. It evolved to Tab Window Manager, and now it is Timeless Window Manager according to the source code: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/twm/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
On Jun 12, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Polytropon wrote: twm doesn't stand for Trivial Window Manager-- it stands for Tom's Window Manager because it was written by Tom LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. Without any further investigation and research, my brain seems to remember that is's (also?) called Tab Window Manager. Is my brain wrong here? :-) I went by wikipedia to double-check. I'm right about the original name. At some point after twm was included in the X11 core distribution, later developers decided to rename it to Tab Window Manager because they'd changed so much code. (If they'd done it with Tom's OK, then I don't have any concern; if they'd just renamed it themselves without discussion with the original author, well, I'd find that a bit tacky.) I remember switching from uwm? to twm around 1990 and finding the later vastly more tolerable. But I also largely switched from X11 to Display Postscript on NEXTSTEP or Sun's OpenWin (X11+Motif+DPS extension, IIRC) around then. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
From: Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com To: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sun, June 12, 2011 2:43:16 PM Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg I stand corrected. Tab Window Manager it iseither way, I use it because it's just plain simple and I don't really need all the whistles and bells that come with the other WM's. I'm still stuck with using Windows because all my business is conducted there and it's got all the bells and whistles one would need. On Jun 12, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Polytropon wrote: twm doesn't stand for Trivial Window Manager-- it stands for Tom's Window Manager because it was written by Tom LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. Without any further investigation and research, my brain seems to remember that is's (also?) called Tab Window Manager. Is my brain wrong here? :-) I went by wikipedia to double-check. I'm right about the original name. At some point after twm was included in the X11 core distribution, later developers decided to rename it to Tab Window Manager because they'd changed so much code. (If they'd done it with Tom's OK, then I don't have any concern; if they'd just renamed it themselves without discussion with the original author, well, I'd find that a bit tacky.) I remember switching from uwm? to twm around 1990 and finding the later vastly more tolerable. But I also largely switched from X11 to Display Postscript on NEXTSTEP or Sun's OpenWin (X11+Motif+DPS extension, IIRC) around then. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
I'm having trouble getting Xorg to run on my just recently installed FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE(i386) system. I'm trying to follow the procedures in Sections 5.3 and 5.4 of the Handbook and can't seem to get startx to fire up; I get a black screen when I try. Here's what I've done so far: 1. Installed Xorg from packages per 5.3. That seemed ultimately to go OK. 2. As my Xorg is version 7.5, I next enabled hald and dbus per 5.4.2. 3. Then as I remember, I tried to startx and ended up with a black screen from which I could not escape. Had to manually shut off and restart the PC. 4. Next I think I went ahead with the Xorg -configure per 5.4.2. and ended up with an error saying that fbdev was missing. Don't know what fbdev is. 5. Somewhere in the mailing list archives I found a similar error description that solved the problem by installing fbdev from packages or ports or can't remember where. Anyway fbdev seemed to install OK, at least I didn't see anymore error messages to that effect. 5. When I run Xorg -configure now and then look at the configuration file xorg.conf.new, I can't see any obvious errors but of course I mostly don't know what I'm l;ooking at. 6. The Handbook next suggests testing the configuration and gives instructions for a modified command for later versions of Xorg. I found that the modified command does not work. Fortunately my screen tells me a different command to test the server config: X -config /root/xorg.conf.new. 7. OK, so I try the alternative test command but still end up at a black screen from which I've found no escape. (As an aside I'd sure like to find a more graceful way to recover from that black screen. The procedure described in 5.4.2, Ctrl+Alt+Bksp, does not work even when enabled for later Xorg versions. Nor does Ctrl+Alt+Fn.) I'm sure there are logs or files I could supply that would help sort out this problem; if I knew what they were I'd send them. As I don't have email configured of the FreeBSD machine, I'll have to manually copy those lines. I'm so new I don't know any other way to get text off of the machine. Here's my hardware for what it's worth: SONY Vaio Desktop, Pentium 4 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM, GeForce FX5200 256MB PCI Vid Card, 2x IDE HDD's, DVD-RW, CD-ROM, FDD. I do have my mouse (Ikari Optical), keyboard (Logitech Wireless), and montior (ASUS LCD) running through a KVM, but they haven't had any troubles being recognized and operating after bootup. Would appreciate anyone's suggestions. Thanks. John Hixson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
--As of June 10, 2011 4:26:27 PM -0700, John or Judy Hixson is alleged to have said: I'm having trouble getting Xorg to run on my just recently installed FreeBSD 7.4-RELEASE(i386) system. I'm trying to follow the procedures in Sections 5.3 and 5.4 of the Handbook and can't seem to get startx to fire up; I get a black screen when I try. Here's what I've done so far: --As for the rest, it is mine. Weird question: Have you installed xterm yet? Without a window manager configured, startx will try to open X with a single xterm window. (At least, as installed from ports, I believe.) I'm not sure what it would do if it couldn't find xterm, but a blank black screen sounds possible... If I'm right, Xorg is _running,_ you just haven't started any programs in it. Which you might be able to see if you ssh'd into the box. If so, you could kill Xorg and get your terminal back on your standard terminal. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg
On 6/11/11 7:26 AM, John or Judy Hixson wrote: I'm having trouble getting Xorg to run on my just recently installed FreeBSD [snip] Would appreciate anyone's suggestions. Thanks. John Hixson If you're trying to try FreeBSD as a Desktop, PC BSD (http://pcbsd.org/) would definitely make your life much easier. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
