Re: OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)

2005-02-04 Thread Colin J. Raven
On Feb 2 at 22:49, Erik Norgaard said with a chuckle:

 Sorry  to join in on the noise:
Occasionally noise on this otherwise studious list is fun. This is one 
time. *This* subscriber likes the change of pace :)

 Both statements are backwards and can't impose any responsibility on my 
 behalf nor disclaim any responsibilty on behalf of the sender.

 just my 5 euro-cents.
Doesn't that buy about $250 Candian right about now?
That's a valuable contribution you just made.

Disclaimer:
[Apologies to all Canadians who may be reading this cack. The comment 
was directed at your oddly valued (undervalued) currency, not you lot 
per se!]
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Re: OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)

2005-02-04 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen

* Bart Silverstrim [2005-02-03 08:01 -0500]
  I wonder why if the messages are so important they don't PGP or GPG them.
  Wouldn't that make more sense for sensitive material?


To send email from the UllevÄl university hospital in Oslo, the first to 
words of the email needs to be ikke sensitiv (Norwegian for not 
confidential) in order for the email server to allow the email to be sent 
to the outside world. These restrictions do not apply for internal mail.

If you don't include these two words, the email server will bounce it back 
to you, telling you to not send confidential information outside the 
hospital, or to include the magic words, in case that the message in fact 
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Re: OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)

2005-02-03 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Feb 2, 2005, at 4:49 PM, Erik Norgaard wrote:
Sorry  to join in on the noise:
=quote=
This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended
solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive 
this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy 
it.

As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Company
group liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although 
the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the 
sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will 
not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.
=quote=

I regularly get mails with this kind of legal bable at the end, some 
worse threatening me with legal actions if I am not the intended 
receipient and do not imidiately delete the mail and forget the 
content.

What makes me wonder is that these messages are always at the end, 
when you have read the secret message. If anything it will only make 
me alert that this could be secret, and if I am evil, ofcourse I would 
not delete the mail.
I wonder why if the messages are so important they don't PGP or GPG 
them.  Wouldn't that make more sense for sensitive material?

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OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)

2005-02-02 Thread Nico Meijer
Hey,

Sorry for the noise, but...

 -- 
 By reading this mail you agree to the following:
 
 using or giving out the email address and any 
 other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden.
 By acting against this agreement the author of this mail 
 will take possible legal actions against the abuse.

Could you please confirm this to be a joke? Thanks.

Bye... Nico
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Re: OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)

2005-02-02 Thread Chuck Swiger
Nico Meijer wrote:
--
By reading this mail you agree to the following:
using or giving out the email address and any 
other info of the author of this email is strictly forbidden.
By acting against this agreement the author of this mail 
will take possible legal actions against the abuse.
Could you please confirm this to be a joke? Thanks.
You cannot be forced into a legally binding contract simply by reading a 
statement, no.  That doesn't mean the author won't try to sue people anyway, 
but even a spammer is unlikely to have anything to worry about unless the 
author is remarkably dedicated to wasting time and money following through.

--
-Chuck (IANAL, TINLA :-)
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Re: OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)

2005-02-02 Thread Nico Meijer
Hey Chuck,

 You cannot be forced into a legally binding contract simply by reading
 a  statement, no.

Thank $DEITY that's still true.

 That doesn't mean the author won't try to sue people anyway, 
 but even a spammer is unlikely to have anything to worry about unless
 the  author is remarkably dedicated to wasting time and money
 following through.

I read that 'agreement' about 20 times before posting. I am definately
not worried about getting sued by him (whose name I am 'legally'
refrained from mentioning here; because, by reading his message, I
obviously agreed not to mention 'he who cannot be mentioned'; I thought
Jahweh had a patent on that...), but I found it to be utterly
incomprehensible.

My first reaction was WTF? This is the stupidest disclaimer I have
*ever* seen.. Then I wondered whether Austrian people have a special
kind of humor. Then, I decided to ask.

Again, sorry for the noise; this time I couldn't resist.

Thanks and bye... Nico
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Re: OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)

2005-02-02 Thread Erik Norgaard
Sorry  to join in on the noise:
=quote=
This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended
solely for the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this 
e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy it.

As its integrity cannot be secured on the Internet, the Company
group liability cannot be triggered for the message content. Although 
the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the 
sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will 
not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.
=quote=

I regularly get mails with this kind of legal bable at the end, some 
worse threatening me with legal actions if I am not the intended 
receipient and do not imidiately delete the mail and forget the content.

What makes me wonder is that these messages are always at the end, when 
you have read the secret message. If anything it will only make me alert 
that this could be secret, and if I am evil, ofcourse I would not delete 
the mail.

Further, I don't see how you can disclaim responsibility unless a 
warning is given before opening each message.

Both statements are backwards and can't impose any responsibility on my 
behalf nor disclaim any responsibilty on behalf of the sender.

just my 5 euro-cents.
Cheers, Erik
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Re: OT: Funny disclaimers (Was: Re: ssh root@localhost)

2005-02-02 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What makes me wonder is that these messages are always at the end, when 
 you have read the secret message. If anything it will only make me alert 
 that this could be secret, and if I am evil, ofcourse I would not delete 
 the mail.

eureka
It just struck me - the message layout was invented by a top poster.
/eureka

Deep down, they know that they need to start at the bottom in order to
make sense of the babble on top. Next up, we'll see them hyping this as
a patentable business method. 

After all, I've seen credible evidence that MSexchange (IIRC) litters
messages with X-ThreadIndex and X-ThreadSubject headers, apparently
attempting to reinvent References: and other usenet features.

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http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/
First, we kill all the spammers The Usenet Bard, Twice-forwarded tales

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