But the choice you have in a strictly moderated mailing list is about
the same as the choice my people had in that particular oppressive
regime: leave or stay to fight a hopeless battle.
Thinking your way - if someone will come to my home and will do what i do
not accept - can i force him to go
eebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an
extra system, running some other OS.
no. i expect them to ask THAT program support.
"You did all fine, i have the same configured program in my
linux/openbsd/netbsd/solaris/whatever OS and it works fine"
So . . . basically, it's okay for someone to ask about X if that person
reread again. You - intentionally or unintentionally - change what i write
to mean something else.
On Fri, 29 May 2009 15:14:20 +0200 (CEST),
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>> There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at
>> least some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not
>> necessarily, by virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying
>> resul
This is stupid, I'm unsubscribing.
jeez
-Original Message-
From: Chad Perrin
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:41 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: On the need for moderated questions lists
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >so
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 07:13:49PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an
> >extra system, running some other OS.
>
> no. i expect them to ask THAT program support.
>
> In really rare cases when they got an answer like
> "You did al
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> So . . . you have the same choice in a dictatorship that you have in a
> benign dictatorship: leave.
That should have said:
So . . . you have the same choice in a moderated mailing list that you
have in a benign dictatorship: l
Or take a real-life usage. I have upgraded my system to 7.2-Release. Ever
since upgrading, logrotate ceased to work.
Clearly FreeBSD related problem - logrotate worked, then the same
logrotate does not.
Of course check if there is not new version of logrotate too from ports
before.
You ga
software that runs on multiple OSes (and not *just* FreeBSD) to run an
extra system, running some other OS.
no. i expect them to ask THAT program support.
In really rare cases when they got an answer like
"You did all fine, i have the same configured program in my
linux/openbsd/netbsd/solaris/
>> - questions about purely FreeBSD-specific and FreeBSD-dependend things
>> of
>> ported programs. For example:
>>
>> ---
>> I start program X, configure it the same way as in linux, installed all
>> the same modules, but here it crashes/behave differently. For example:
>> --- here some output ---
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 03:14:20PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >
> >Not necessarily.
> >
> >There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at least
> >some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not necessarily, by
> >virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying resul
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 09:36:07AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>
> OK. On topic is:
>
> - question about software made by FreeBSD team which is FreeBSD base
> system+ports subsystem. In ports subsystem i mean the set of scripts and
> patches that allows you to compile other programs, BUT NOT
Not necessarily.
There were 'rules' in Nazi Germany too, and there usually exist at least
some 'rules' in oppressive regimes, but they do not necessarily, by
virtue of their mere existence, lead to satisfying results.
The difference is that you have choice here, people living in Nazi Germany
On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:55:56 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
>>> FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD.
>>
>> This includes at least two hypothetical scenarios:
>>
>> a) That the current list is an off-topic 'mess'.
>
> it is and will be.
>
>> b) That a moderated
FreeBSD. for sure i will ask here if i will need help with FreeBSD.
This includes at least two hypothetical scenarios:
a) That the current list is an off-topic 'mess'.
it is and will be.
b) That a moderated list would not be a 'mess'.
b is implicit if rules will be clearly defined.
On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST),
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it
>> is open. Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially--
>> only serve as a source of mild confusion. Imagine you are a new FreeBSD
>> us
Because we already _have_ a list `for general FreeBSD questions', and it
is open. Adding even more lists to the mix will --at least initially--
only serve as a source of mild confusion. Imagine you are a new FreeBSD
user.
Try to imagine it now.
i see the webpage, the mailing lists, and ftp w
On Fri, 29 May 2009 10:00:23 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
>>> nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and
>>> trying to explain to others that it make sense.
>>
>> While a change like this is possible, it is going to be very very hard.
>> To change something so dee
nothing that prevent me from having an opinion about moderation and
trying to explain to others that it make sense.
While a change like this is possible, it is going to be very very hard.
To change something so deeply ingrained into the whole `culture' of
why adding extra moderated list is a c
On Fri, 29 May 2009 09:36:07 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar
wrote:
>>> It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not
>>> do this, and this list turn to <1% on topic.
>>
>> The only problem with that sort of reasoning is that the FreeBSD mailing
>> list charters *have* been de
It's just my opinion, time will show if i am right if they will not do
this, and this list turn to <1% on topic.
The only problem with that sort of reasoning is that the FreeBSD mailing
list charters *have* been decided.
but the decision MAY be changed. Of course - it may not, but there is
n
On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:00:09 +0200 (CEST),
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>> Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>> How about it? Only STRICT RULES keep things healthy and long lived.
>>
>> I wonder what makes you think you have the right to decide for all?
>
> Why you think so? I don't mean myself as definer of that
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