Re: Opera in your repos
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:46:05AM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: BSD=Berkeley Software Distribution AKA distro of Unix That's not the same as saying that FreeBSD is a distribution. FreeBSD is not called a BSD of Unix, after all. It's a BSD Unix system or BSD Unix OS, or simply a BSD Unix. The difference is that BSD refers to the point of origin in this case, and the ancestral codebase, and the license. A Linux distribution is Linux, bundled up with other software, to produce a OS package for distribution. A BSD Unix system, on the other hand, is a Unix system of the BSD tradition. The term BSD originally referred to the fact that a set of software was distributed together under the auspices of UC Berkeley. Since FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD are not distributed by UC Berkeley's Computer Systems Research Group any longer, the term BSD now just refers a family relation of sorts, and is a term of tradition rather than a literal statement about the nature of the software's character in some way. One might say it's a software distribution package, of course, but in colloquial usage, the abbreviated distro or distribution without any more specific reference to the context of the term has a meaning particular to the Linux-based operating system distribution model, where there's a core component common across many operating system variants and those variations are known as distributions of the common core. When the term distribution is used without more specific context, it is generally understood to mean a particular variant software bundle among many such options built around a common core component that, altogether, makes a unique operating system. FreeBSD, however, is not such a thing at all. It is a complete operating system developed as a whole. . . . so while there may be *some* sense of truth in your explanation for why it's a distribution, I don't think that's really a meaningful definition for purposes of enabling clear communication about the nature of the FreeBSD OS and its development project, and I sympathize with those who say It's an operating system, not a distro. DesktopBSD and PC-BSD, on the other hand . . . I've been far too pedantic for one email on such an inconsequential subject. I'll stop now. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth H. L. Mencken: Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. pgpqxDZrotPTw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Opera in your repos
Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:43:05AM -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: [snip] Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a distro, but a UNIX operating system. :) We can't quite agree on that ;) BSD=Berkeley Software Distribution AKA distro of Unix At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this list. He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on FreeBSD. I'd point him to bsdstats for some numbers but it doesn't seem very functional ATM. [snip] Regards, As the whole amd64/x86 discussion proved, people on this list (including me) might do good in reading more Shakespear... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Opera in your repos
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:46:05 +0100, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this list. I've seen this in a german Linux magazine, titeling in a way similar to this: FreeBSD - the professional Linux. :-) He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on FreeBSD. My whole life. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Opera in your repos
Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, -- Best regards, Ilya Shpan'kov Community Outreach Manager for Russia Opera Software ASA Mobile: +47 46351421 Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ Skype: shpankov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
Hi, Opera is indeed already in the ports (and packages) and has been since November 5th 2000 according to the Makefile in ports/www/opera. and it appears the port is maintained by one of the staff at opera MAINTAINER= freebsd-maintai...@opera.com Keep up the good work :) Vince Vince Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
Thanks a lot, Vincent! В письме от Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:32:26 +0200, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk сообщал: Hi, Opera is indeed already in the ports (and packages) and has been since November 5th 2000 according to the Makefile in ports/www/opera. and it appears the port is maintained by one of the staff at opera MAINTAINER= freebsd-maintai...@opera.com Keep up the good work :) Vince Vince Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, -- Best regards, Ilya Shpan'kov Community Outreach Manager for Russia Opera Software ASA Mobile: +47 46351421 Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ Skype: shpankov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 07:02:18 Ilya Shpan'kov wrote: I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a distro, but a UNIX operating system. :) Opera is available in the ports system as 3rd party software made to work on FreeBSD. There are 3 opera ports, which you can view here: http://www.freshports.org/www/opera http://www.freshports.org/www/opera-devel http://www.freshports.org/www/linux-opera (through linux emulation) There are no issues I'm aware of, that's specific to the FreeBSD/Opera combination (no flash support is an issue with Adobe, not Opera and I got one bugreport in the queue, that I'm also not sure is FreeBSD specific, more built-in torrent application specific). -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
Mmm afaIk, FreeBSd didn't make any software into distro, we just put them into our app system, called ports or port collections, which has all apps that can run on freebsd. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=operastype=all http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=operastype=all On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Ilya Shpan'kov il...@opera.com wrote: Hi, I work in Opera Software - yes, we make a proprietary browser ;) Last 7 years I use GNU/Linux and know that, for example, in Russia the Opera browser is very popular in BSD Community. Well, there is a question: whether Opera is included to your distro and if not - how we can fix this problem? We are ready for any discussions, technical help or agreement, if necessary. Thanks in advance, -- Best regards, Ilya Shpan'kov Community Outreach Manager for Russia Opera Software ASA Mobile: +47 46351421 Web-site: http://my.opera.com/IlyaShpankov/ Skype: shpankov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
There are no issues I'm aware of, that's specific to the FreeBSD/Opera combination (no flash support is an issue with Adobe, not Opera and I got one bugreport in the queue, that I'm also not sure is FreeBSD specific, more built-in torrent application specific). -- No problems here - it's my browser of choice on FreeBSD, and it hasn't given me any trouble at all. Congrats. -- http://www.therandymon.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opera in your repos
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 07:43:05AM -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: [snip] Well, we can start to agree that FreeBSD is not a distro, but a UNIX operating system. :) We can't quite agree on that ;) BSD=Berkeley Software Distribution AKA distro of Unix At least the OP didn't make the faux pas of calling FreeBSD a Linux distro like one of his colleagues did a couple of years ago on this list. He'll also be relieved to know that plenty of people use Opera on FreeBSD. I'd point him to bsdstats for some numbers but it doesn't seem very functional ATM. [snip] Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
