Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?
On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote: That's also an obligation to test it. PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on them. PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling them a private company. No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems. They do an awful lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products. While PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD. Click on the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for support. Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404 page. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:52:15 + Matthew Seaman articulated: No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems. They do an awful lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products. While PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD. Click on the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for support. Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404 page. Nothing instills confidence in a potential client like a broken Support page with the possible exception of calling a telephone number and finding it has been disconnected. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?
On 03/05/12 19:52, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote: That's also an obligation to test it. PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on them. PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling them a private company. No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems. They do an awful lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products. While PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD. Click on the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for support. Yes, but that is sponsorship. That doesn't make it a company. They don't own it. Unlike Oracle with MySQL, Java, and VBox... Or Citrix and Xen... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:52:15 + Matthew Seaman articulated: On 04/03/2012 22:56, Da Rock wrote: That's also an obligation to test it. PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on them. PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling them a private company. No, the company behind PC-BSD is called iXsystems. They do an awful lot in the FreeBSD sphere, and PC-BSD is one of their products. While PC-BSD is a community driven project, iXsystems employs the project founder and lead developer specifically to work on PC-BSD. Click on the 'Professional PC-BSD Support' link of the PC-BSD menu on the pcbsd.org site, and you will see who it is that provides the paid-for support. Hmmm... actually they might want to look at that, as it returns a 404 page. Matthew, is this the URL for iXsystems http://www.ixsystems.com/ that you are referring to? I was examining their company page: http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/about/our-company and they seem quite impressive. Also, the support page URL for PC-BSD: http://www.ixsystems.com/quote-request is now apparently working. Obviously, the above is based on the belief that I am referring to the correct entity to begin with. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?
On 05/03/2012 12:10, Jerry wrote: Matthew, is this the URL for iXsystems http://www.ixsystems.com/ that you are referring to? Yep. That's the company. I was examining their company page: http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/about/our-company and they seem quite impressive. Also, the support page URL for PC-BSD: http://www.ixsystems.com/quote-request is now apparently working. Ah -- no. The page I was referring to is: http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/support/software/pc-bsd-support which is still 404. It's linked to from here: http://www.pcbsd.org/index.php?option=com_zootask=categorycategory_id=85Itemid=62 (bottom of that page) and also also from the PC-PSD pulldown in the menubar at the top of the front page of the site. I did report this through their website, but it's early yet in California, so they won't have had a chance to fix it yet. Obviously, the above is based on the belief that I am referring to the correct entity to begin with. Right company, wrong web page. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?
Chuck Swiger cswiger at mac.com writes: ... There are lots of people who are looking for turnkey / no docs needed systems, with give me simplified choices but handle obvious errors with a nice dialog window or fix-it 'wizard', instead of requiring CLI sysadmin experience, reading error logs, and running diagnostic commands to fix things. ... Well, the PC-BSD team set these goals for themselves: PC-BSD has as its goals to be an easy-to-install-and-use desktop operating system, based on FreeBSD. To accomplish this, it provides a graphical installation to enable even UNIX novices to easily install and get it running. That's also an obligation to test it. PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on them. ... I suspect that the folks who define usability by such criteria are not using FreeBSD (or PC-BSD) at all, or they quickly evaluate it and then move on at the first major showstopper they come across. ... There were many attractive features implemented. I personally am irritated when I get a software product that breaks on a basic usability test. The argument that something is offered to me for free and so I can not expect it to function here and there does not fly with me. That's a road to nowhere, considering that they do offer it freely. I will test their next public release in more detail. I would love to report back words of praise. jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?
On 03/05/12 07:23, jb wrote: Chuck Swigercswigerat mac.com writes: ... There are lots of people who are looking for turnkey / no docs needed systems, with give me simplified choices but handle obvious errors with a nice dialog window or fix-it 'wizard', instead of requiring CLI sysadmin experience, reading error logs, and running diagnostic commands to fix things. ... Well, the PC-BSD team set these goals for themselves: PC-BSD has as its goals to be an easy-to-install-and-use desktop operating system, based on FreeBSD. To accomplish this, it provides a graphical installation to enable even UNIX novices to easily install and get it running. That's also an obligation to test it. PC-BSD is a product, by a private company. The burden of proof is on them. PC-BSD is an organisation or group; I wouldn't go as far as calling them a private company. ... I suspect that the folks who define usability by such criteria are not using FreeBSD (or PC-BSD) at all, or they quickly evaluate it and then move on at the first major showstopper they come across. ... There were many attractive features implemented. I personally am irritated when I get a software product that breaks on a basic usability test. The argument that something is offered to me for free and so I can not expect it to function here and there does not fly with me. That's a road to nowhere, considering that they do offer it freely. I will test their next public release in more detail. I would love to report back words of praise. jb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: PC-BSD on top of FreeBSD - does it matter ?
On 03/04/2012 12:27 AM, jb wrote: But ..., the charm disappeared when I (intentionally ?) pulled ethernet plug and started update manager ... Classic example of fallacious reasoning. update manager needs the internet to access the updates ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
