Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Then if it is so unimportant why change it from beastie? I don't know ... why? The discussion I've seen has centered on developing a logo, not changing the cartoon mascot. I personally don't care about any of it for my own use, as long as the software remains at the

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: The committers do know about this and are careful about it. You will note that this is discussed more fully here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/contrib- how.html under the section: New Code or Major Value-Added Packages I am

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Technically superior products are technically superior because they have MORE than the customary RD put into them. That makes them MORE expensive than the median/mediocre products that dominate a market. Explain Intel. -- Anthony

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-12 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Saturday 12 February 2005 02:07 am, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: The committers do know about this and are careful about it. You will note that this is discussed more fully here:

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Frank Laszlo
Oliver Leitner wrote: alot of discussions going on the past 48 hours about this topic, i guess there is alot of room for explanations left, that ppls want to hear, why not give the ppls that actually stand behind FreeBSD and behind the logo contest or whatever it is a chance to tell us what

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Thursday 10 February 2005 11:11 pm, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank J. Laszlo writes: Who says it has to be small? Business cards and letterheads say that. Logos are often reproduced at very small sizes, even on large documents. They often appear in a corner or at the

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Joshua Tinnin writes: Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject alone, on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of priorities you have. At the moment, I'm worried about FreeBSD. Anyway, if you feel that way then let the thread die, or take it to -advocacy. I reply

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Tinnin writes: Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject alone, on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of priorities you have. At the moment, I'm worried about FreeBSD.

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 2:56 PM -0800 2/11/05, Joshua Tinnin wrote: On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Tinnin writes: Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this subject alone, on a tech help list. Makes you wonder what sort of priorities you have.

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Friday 11 February 2005 04:36 pm, Garance A Drosihn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:56 PM -0800 2/11/05, Joshua Tinnin wrote: On Friday 11 February 2005 02:44 pm, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joshua Tinnin writes: Hmmm, let's see, Anthony Atielski, 30 posts on this

RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:19 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! Ted Mittelstaedt

RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:47 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! Joshua Tinnin writes: I

RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:54 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC

RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:06 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! Bart Silverstrim writes

RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vonleigh Simmons Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:38 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!! As an artist here

RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 09 February 2005 07:09 pm, - wrote: http://www.petitiononline.com/fbsdmsc1/petition.html Julien Gabel wrote: See the thread The FreeBSD Project is announcing a public competition for the new logo design. in -advocacy - I've already replied with my

RE: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/09/05 09:45 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the `puter and typed: Yes, but business is why Microsoft Windows (*) sucks old rocks. Microsoft is in business to make money, not better software. I was always under the impression that while the FreeBSD

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this ill-conceived competition was leaked -

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. Personally, I wonder how FreeBSD survives based exclusively on volunteer efforts. It's a noble idea, but

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread David Gerard
Anthony Atkielski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050210 20:34]: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. Personally, I wonder how FreeBSD survives

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread David Gerard
David Gerard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050210 20:41]: I'd rather see effort towards some of the really *stupid* bugs in 5.x that languish for months with a fix included. Like linux-pango being broken, meaning that by default you can't actually run a lot of recent Linux binaries (a Thunderbird

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Eric Kjeldergaard
Anthony Atkielski writes: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo until after a few days ago when this

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Eric Kjeldergaard writes: The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing forward, though looks off somewhat to the right. I know,

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Frank Laszlo
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left side. He is slightly facing forward, though looks off somewhat

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Eric Kjeldergaard
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:09:47 +0100, Anthony Atkielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Kjeldergaard writes: The logo can be seen on the website www.freeBSD.org. it is in fact a relatively (from a printing perspective) high-resolution image of our daemon, holding a pitchfork on his left

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 02/10/05 12:55 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt sat at the `puter and typed: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 02/09/05 09:45 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC sat at the `puter and typed: Yes, but business is why Microsoft Windows (*) sucks old rocks. Microsoft is in business to make money, not better

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 02/10/05 10:30 AM, Anthony Atkielski sat at the `puter and typed: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? Nobody ever said that FreeBSD lacked a logo

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 02/10/05 08:03 AM, Eric Kjeldergaard sat at the `puter and typed: Anthony Atkielski writes: Ted Mittelstaedt writes: And, I am also concerned about the historical revisionists who are claiming FreeBSD never had a logo. That is hogwash. Where can I see the logo? Nobody

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Frank Laszlo writes: you are all looking at a web graphic. Allready rendered as process colors. Its impossible to say how many printing plates its on. Process is always four plates, except for the rare hexachrome offset, which is six plates. Spot colors require one plate per color. Two-color

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Dick Davies
* Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [0255 08:55]: Yep, I was wondering how long it would take before someone figured this one out. We know the real rea$on$ that this logo change is being contemplated, don't we. You seem to think you do, certainly. Why don't you ask core instead of

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Louis LeBlanc writes: Neutrality is purely objective in this case (and many others). Uninformed neutrality can be highly inflammatory. Beastie is only considered inflammatory to those uninformed fundamentalists who haven't been satisfied beating down every other freedom in this country and

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Frank Laszlo
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Frank Laszlo writes: you are all looking at a web graphic. Allready rendered as process colors. Its impossible to say how many printing plates its on. Process is always four plates, except for the rare hexachrome offset, which is six plates. Spot colors require one

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Frank Laszlo writes: Yes, Process colors being 4 plates, but rendered properly, it could be less. All process printing requires four (or six) colors. That's what process means. The current logo as it is shown on freebsd.org, COULD be printed on 2 plates, as a 2 color job. those colors being

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Frank J. Laszlo
Anthony Atkielski wrote: Frank Laszlo writes: Yes, Process colors being 4 plates, but rendered properly, it could be less. All process printing requires four (or six) colors. That's what process means. The current logo as it is shown on freebsd.org, COULD be printed on 2 plates, as a 2

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Oliver Leitner
alot of discussions going on the past 48 hours about this topic, i guess there is alot of room for explanations left, that ppls want to hear, why not give the ppls that actually stand behind FreeBSD and behind the logo contest or whatever it is a chance to tell us what they where thinking about

Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such asNetBSD!!!

2005-02-10 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Frank J. Laszlo writes: Who says it has to be small? Business cards and letterheads say that. Logos are often reproduced at very small sizes, even on large documents. They often appear in a corner or at the bottom of a page. Logos are not used in place of cover art, but they often are a