On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Erich Dollansky
erichfreebsdl...@ovitrap.com wrote:
it will not even boot if there is only a single slice with root and the rest
on it if the background fsck cannot be run.
I have to go to real remote locations once in a while where an USP is not of
real
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:55:01AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have been advocating or
requesting.
You seem to forget normal users who just want to use the system.
They do not think of recovery until it actually happens.
We
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 02:22:12AM -0500, Stephen Cook wrote:
On 2/18/2012 8:03 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
I don't see that this plan adds any significant complication or confusion.
Nor does it prevent any of the schemes people have
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 07:38:14PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Hi,
Reference:
From: Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:10:57 -0500
Message-id: bb02d7694d475b85761e4...@mac-pro.magehandbook.com
Daniel Staal wrote:
--As of February
I remember when why the list was set up.
See src/ etc/motd
Wow, you must be old.
Unless you are clueless, it's trivial to find when questions@ was
created, easy to find when motd pointed to questions, those dates
are insufficient to predicate age.
I don't see how this is so OT for a
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry McAllister
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 1:34 PM
To: Damien Fleuriot
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On Sat, Feb 18
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:14:35PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
I remember when why the list was set up.
See src/ etc/motd
I don't see how this is so OT for a general questions list - regardless
of verbiage about its charter. A general question was asked and
many people
Jerry wrote:
So, the OP posted a question about normal and/or preferred use
of FreeBSD and people responded. Or do you consider this thread
to be too technical? Maybe the discussion could fit in Hackers.
Yes,
hackers@Would have been a better choice.
sysinstall@ Perhaps yet
On 02/20/2012 09:44, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Jerry wrote:
So, the OP posted a question about normal and/or preferred use
of FreeBSD and people responded. Or do you consider this thread
to be too technical? Maybe the discussion could fit in Hackers.
Yes,
hackers@ Would have been a
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:39:53, Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk
wrote:
On 17/02/2012 22:17, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style
default with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer
Robison, Dave wrote:
On 02/17/2012 15:22, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.
No. Bad idea. Not on questions@, the list of the least clued up,
the list raw beginners are referred to subscribe to. At least get
a majority on
--As of February 19, 2012 3:30:15 PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey is alleged to
have said:
Beside the point: the Wrong list was posted to.
questions@ list was created to help beginners,
not to debate invite votes to determine future design.
FreeBSD lists have remits so people can read write
Hi,
Reference:
From: Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:10:57 -0500
Message-id: bb02d7694d475b85761e4...@mac-pro.magehandbook.com
Daniel Staal wrote:
--As of February 19, 2012 3:30:15 PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey is alleged to
have said:
Beside the
On 17/02/2012 22:17, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style
default with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1
partition and swap.
For a user/desktop machine, I prefer one root
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:05:49 -0600 (CST), Lars Eighner wrote:
It seems to me that partition and mount point are being confused to a
degree. There is no reason what is mounted at /usr/home cannot be a
separate partition as well as if it were mounted at root.
I thought of this fact as such an
On 2/17/12 11:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
Hiya,
[snip]
We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as
one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We
want to know if people would prefer the older style default with four
partitions and swap when
On 2/17/12 11:40 PM, Maxim Khitrov wrote:
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Robison, Dave
david.robi...@fisglobal.com wrote:
Hiya,
A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as
opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD.
It has always been
Hi,
On Saturday 18 February 2012 13:05:49 Lars Eighner wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Daniel Staal wrote:
I've never seen anything listing the main reasons for having /home under
/usr
though. I figure there must be a decent reason why. Would anyone care to
enlighten me? What are the
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Feb 18 01:59:53 2012
From: Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:36 -0800
To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On 17 February 2012, at 23:21, Robert Bonomi
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 09:16:34PM -0500, Daniel Staal wrote:
--As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have
said:
Well, to be honest, I never liked the old style default
with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_
default style for separated
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
On 2/17/12 11:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
Hiya,
[snip]
We realize that one can use bsdinstall to create as many partitions as
one wants. However, the new default is for one partition and swap. We
want to know if people
man hier
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On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Michael Sierchio ku...@tenebras.comwrote:
man hier
man 7 hier makes no mention of /home or /usr/home at all ...
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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
--As of February 18, 2012 2:46:32 PM -0800, Michael Sierchio is alleged to
have said:
man hier
--As for the rest, it is mine.
...Doesn't mention /home (or /usr/home) once. ;)
Pointing people to the docs which answers their question is good. But
please make sure it actually answers their
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote:
--As of February 18, 2012 2:46:32 PM -0800, Michael Sierchio is alleged to
have said:
man hier
True, but /usr/... was a typical place to find users' home
directories, since /usr is mounted when the system goes to
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 08:03:39AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good. Or, I could even
suggest just two
Hi,
On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good. Or, I could even
suggest just two choices.
yes, three options is ok.
[ ] all in one + swap
Hi,
On Sunday 19 February 2012 09:30:55 Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 08:03:39AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
So, Polytropon's
Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com writes:
Hi,
On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good. Or, I could even
suggest just two choices.
Hi,
On Sunday 19 February 2012 11:40:22 Carl Johnson wrote:
Erich Dollansky er...@alogreentechnologies.com writes:
Hi,
On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
So, Polytropon's three choice
On 2/18/2012 8:03 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
On Sunday 19 February 2012 04:34:17 Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 12:07:30PM +0100, Damien Fleuriot wrote:
So, Polytropon's three choice pattern is good. Or, I could even
suggest just two choices.
A normal user will use the first
On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style default with
4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and swap.
For a user/desktop machine, I prefer one root partition. For other roles like
a server, I
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:18 PM
To: david.robi...@fisglobal.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On Feb 17
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Robison, Dave
david.robi...@fisglobal.com wrote:
Hiya,
A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as
opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD.
It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap
Four? There should be five! :-)
Read on to find out why.
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 -0800, Robison, Dave wrote:
We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style default
with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and
swap.
In my case, preference
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 02:05:23PM -0800, Robison, Dave wrote:
Hiya,
A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as
opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD.
It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap
as such:
Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.
Why not add a selection to the installer, something like
this:
Partition scheme
[ ] all in one + swap
Create one partition containing all subtrees
plus one
...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:18 PM
To: david.robi...@fisglobal.com
Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style default
On 02/18/12 08:40, Maxim Khitrov wrote:
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Robison, Dave
david.robi...@fisglobal.com wrote:
Hiya,
A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as
opposed to sysinstall in 8.x and previous versions of FreeBSD.
It has always been FreeBSD's
I like this because it gives the user a choice, and it clearly lays out the
choices based on partition schemes instead of a less-specific 'machine use'
choice.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
Four? There should be five! :-)
Read on to
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry McAllister
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:53 PM
To: Polytropon
Cc: david.robi...@fisglobal.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four
We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style default
with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and
swap.
I've been doing Unix 30+ years, so there's a tendency to respond
Multiple, 'cos seeing a single 1 partition on a system normaly
meant it had
...@fisglobal.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.
Why not add a selection to the installer, something like
this:
Partition scheme
[ ] all in one + swap
On 02/17/2012 15:22, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.
No. Bad idea. Not on questions@, the list of the least clued up,
the list raw beginners are referred to subscribe to. At least get
a majority on hackers@ or current@ or arch@.
On 02/18/12 09:24, Robison, Dave wrote:
On 02/17/2012 15:22, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Let the majority decide which layout is preferred for the default.
No. Bad idea. Not on questions@, the list of the least clued up,
the list raw beginners are referred to subscribe to. At least get
a
On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
a. A security issue
/tmp is by-default out-of-the-box world-writable (perms 1777).
Yes. It works as intended even when /tmp is part of a single root partition;
although mounting /tmp as a RAM- or swap-based tmpfs filesystem might be better
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswi...@mac.com]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:56 PM
To: Devin Teske
Cc: FreeBSD -
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
a. A security issue
/tmp is by-default out-of-the-box world
On 02/17/2012 15:55, Chuck Swiger wrote:
Yes. It works as intended even when /tmp is part of a single root partition;
although mounting /tmp as a RAM- or swap-based tmpfs filesystem might be better
for many situations.
Sure it has its uses, but now you're jumping into new territory where
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswi...@mac.com]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 3:56 PM
To: Devin Teske
Cc: FreeBSD -
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
[snip]
I'd argue that there should never be a single-/ unless you
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Polytropon wrote:
Why not add a selection to the installer, something like
this:
Partition scheme
[ ] all in one + swap
Create one partition containing all subtrees
plus one swap partition.
[ ]
On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using MacOS
X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they
sometimes do
fill up their disks, that's a situation which they should be able to recover
from
-Original Message-
From: Chuck Swiger [mailto:cswi...@mac.com]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:41 PM
To: Devin Teske
Cc: 'FreeBSD -'
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks
On 02/18/12 10:40, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks using MacOS
X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they sometimes do
fill up their disks, that's a situation which
On 02/18/12 10:55, Da Rock wrote:
On 02/18/12 10:40, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
However, for whatever reasons, the overwhelming majority of folks
using MacOS
X don't have problems using a single root partition, and while they
sometimes do
fill up their
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Da Rock
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 4:55 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On 02/18/12 10:40, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Feb 17
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Da Rock
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 5:00 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On 02/18/12 10:55, Da Rock wrote:
On 02/18/12 10
On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
On 02/17/2012 15:55, Chuck Swiger wrote:
Yes. It works as intended even when /tmp is part of a single root
partition; although mounting /tmp as a RAM- or swap-based tmpfs filesystem
might be better for many situations.
Sure it has its
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org wrote:
Why not add a selection to the installer, something like
this:
Partition scheme
[ ] all in one + swap
Create one partition containing all subtrees
plus one
On 02/18/12 11:17, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Chris Hillch...@monochrome.org wrote:
Why not add a selection to the installer, something like
this:
Partition scheme
[ ] all in one + swap
Create one partition
On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style default with
4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition and swap.
I only run servers and set them up with /, /usr, and swap. Other partitions
are placed on
Hi,
On Saturday 18 February 2012 05:05:23 Robison, Dave wrote:
It has always been FreeBSD's default to create four partitions and swap
as such:
/
/tmp
/var
/usr
swap
it really makes sense to keep it this way.
The recent changes in 9.x with bsdinstall use a default behavior which
--As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have
said:
Well, to be honest, I never liked the old style default
with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_
default style for separated partitions include:
/
swap
/tmp
/var
2012-02-17 23:46, Polytropon skrev:
Four? There should be five! :-)
Read on to find out why.
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 -0800, Robison, Dave wrote:
We'd like a show of hands to see if folks prefer the old style default
with 4 partitions and swap, or the newer iteration with 1 partition
On Fri, 17 Feb 2012, Daniel Staal wrote:
--As of February 17, 2012 11:46:23 PM +0100, Polytropon is alleged to have
said:
Well, to be honest, I never liked the old style default
with /home being part of /usr. As I mentioned before, _my_
default style for separated partitions include:
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 16:20:48 2012
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:05:23 -0800
From: Robison, Dave david.robi...@fisglobal.com
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: One or Four?
Hiya,
A question has arisen with the implementation of bsdinstall in 9.x as
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 19:56:00 2012
From: Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:50:44 -0800
To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Robison, Dave wrote:
We'd like a show
On 17 February 2012, at 23:21, Robert Bonomi wrote:
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Feb 17 19:56:00 2012
From: Doug Hardie bc...@lafn.org
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:50:44 -0800
To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: One or Four?
On Feb 17, 2012
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