RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 
 On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:07:55 +0200
 J65nko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  From the section Compatibility problems of
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_window_scale_option
  
  TCP Window Scaling is widely implemented in the Windows Vista
  operating system. Because many routers do not properly implement TCP
  Window Scaling, it can cause a users Internet connection to
  malfunction intermittently for a few minutes, then appear to start
  working again for no reason. If diagnose problem is selected in
  Vista, an error message will be displayed cannot communicate with
  primary DNS server.
  
 
 Routers shouldn't care about TCP windows so I guess they're actually
 referring to the firewalls on NAT-routers.
 
 What I don't get is why a TCP Window problem affects DNS. It's not
 mentioned in the Wikipedia article or the referenced tech-recipes.com
 link. Surely Vista doesn't routinely do DNS over TCP.
 

It don't.  When you click the diagnose problem it does it's usual
IPv6 DNS lookup first.  They probably assume if the admin got
the window scaling thing wrong they got the DNS thing wrong too.

Ted 
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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-21 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:17 AM
 To: User Questions
 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Gerard wrote:
  On October 17, 2007 at 07:44PM David Benfell wrote:
  
  
  [ ... ]
  
  But I believe Firefox is also one of the few pieces of software
  that can be installed on a Windows system without administrator
  privileges; you just install it in the user account space, and
  the Windows system will remember it with the rest of the user
  account settings and not trouble other users of that system
  with it.
  
  Please define 'administrator privileges' and how it is used at 
 your place of
  employment. I know of several instances where simply using a 
 piece of software
  that was not pre-authorised by the proper personnel, usually 
 the SA, will get
  you fired. Most system administrators do not want their systems 
 polluted with
  software that they did not install or authorized for use. The 
 reasons are
  quite obvious
  
  
 do I understand you right?
 
 You say that it is normal that users get fired because system 
 administrators are not able to administer their systems properly?
 

If you have physical access to the machine you can run whatever
you want on it, no matter what the system administrator does.  You
might have to jump through some hoops to do so.

There are also a surprising number of packages out there that
require the user to have administrative software.  One of our
customers runs Timberline Software (an accounting package I
believe, fortunately I don't work directly with them) and that
will not work properly unless the user is an administrator.

And yes we have told them the software is poorly written and
to dump it and no they don't want to switch.


Ted

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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-19 Thread Lisandro Grullon
Hi all, 
after all my frustration finding the answer to this problem, i think I am 
getting closer to my answer. According to Cisco, it appears a problem with 
frimware at our rauting level 
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/secursw/ps1018/products_tech_note09186a0080743212.shtml
 , our routers will be upgrade soon to resolve this issue. There is a work 
around I found in another University that seem to be experiencing the same 
problem http://8help.osu.edu/3253.html , I am sorry for taking so long to 
investigated this issue. If you want to learn more about why this issue is 
happening with vista and Cisco Routers, do not hesitate to read RFC 1323 
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1323.txt?number=1323 . Thank you to all of you who 
try to find the solution to this problem, all the hints were very helpful. 
Lisandro Grullon



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 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:11:58 -0700
 CC: 
 Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rob
  Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:46 PM
  To: Lisandro Grullon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 
  Lisandro Grullon wrote:
   Hi Michael,
   Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you told
  me I still unable to load www.freebsd.org, why am I able to load
 www.uk.freebsd.org and not the US domain, is there something wrong with
 the US website? I can't seem to find logic here.
 
 Let's see.. the problem is your stupid operating system and it's
 browser.
 
 Why the hell do you continue to whine to us about it?
 
 But it probably isn't his OS, it is probably something in
 between his OS and the FBSD server.
 
 Ted
 
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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-19 Thread RW
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:07:55 +0200
J65nko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 From the section Compatibility problems of
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_window_scale_option
 
 TCP Window Scaling is widely implemented in the Windows Vista
 operating system. Because many routers do not properly implement TCP
 Window Scaling, it can cause a users Internet connection to
 malfunction intermittently for a few minutes, then appear to start
 working again for no reason. If diagnose problem is selected in
 Vista, an error message will be displayed cannot communicate with
 primary DNS server.
 

Routers shouldn't care about TCP windows so I guess they're actually
referring to the firewalls on NAT-routers.

What I don't get is why a TCP Window problem affects DNS. It's not
mentioned in the Wikipedia article or the referenced tech-recipes.com
link. Surely Vista doesn't routinely do DNS over TCP.


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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-19 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:46 PM
 To: Lisandro Grullon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.


 Lisandro Grullon wrote:
  Hi Michael,
  Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you told
 me I still unable to load www.freebsd.org, why am I able to load
www.uk.freebsd.org and not the US domain, is there something wrong with
the US website? I can't seem to find logic here.

Let's see.. the problem is your stupid operating system and it's
browser.

Why the hell do you continue to whine to us about it?

But it probably isn't his OS, it is probably something in
between his OS and the FBSD server.

Ted

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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-18 Thread Bruce Cran

Lisandro Grullon wrote:

Hi Gerard,
Thank you for your reply. I really do not understand were the problem is, I am tending to think it is a problem at the routing level now. I ask two of my co-workers to go home and test the website in their machines using vista, they did, and were able to access it in IE 7.x and Firefox; however, I still puzzle, why are the machines using windows XP downward able to load the site in IE or Firefox. I know that you or someone else mention something regarding IPV6 TCP window encapsulation at the routing level, yet I am testing vista at work (over 3000 nodes), this is one of the test I am performing before deploying it. It seems weir that www.freebsd.org is the only website experiencing the problem so far. 

BTW, the FreeBSD servers in out LAN also cannot access www.freebsd.org;as a temporary solution, I have been able to access the handbook via www.uk.freebsd.org .  This is a really weird issue that is bothering me and I won't stop until it is solve, sooner or later our client side will be migrated to Windows Vista hence our users are not  computer literate to migrate to Unix or Linux at this point in time. I still looking for clues if anyone has found a solution to this, meanwhile I appreciate your effort Gerard and that of many others that have contribute to resolve this matter. 


Lisandro Grullon


To check if it's an problem with IPv6, could you try accessing 
http://www.ipv6.org or http://www.kame.net ?   You could try running 
traceroute to check for routing problems to see where the problem is.


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While his reply may not have been the most cordial that I have seen, it was
nevertheless quite on point. I have used Vista and IE7 to connect to FBSD
without incident. It therefore becomes evident that the problem is germane to
you rather than the whole FBSD group at large.

Did you actually read the link given to you in an earlier post? You might also
try contacting your ISP and see if there is a problem there. You could also
just use another browser that is more tolerant than IE7 appears to be in this
incident.

If you reply again, please lose the 'top posting' format. It makes following
your replies far more trouble than it is worth.


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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-18 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
The next version of Microsoft server will ship with TCP window
scaling on as well so the router vendors better get their
firmware updates in order pretty quick...

Ted

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 Grullon
 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:15 AM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.


 This is insane, the FreebSD team needs to find a more liable
 solution to this problem, hence some of our prospects users that
 will be browsing the site with vista machi9nes will just go away
 without knowing what is going on. Is the team currently working
 gin a solution to this problem, after all most networks still
 routing through IPv6. Patiently waiting for an answer...Lisandro Grullon



  Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:07:55 +0200
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
  On 10/16/07, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Dear all users,
   After troubleshooting from all angles this problem i have run
 out of imagination/sense. I loaded a machine with Windows Vista a
 work and try accessing the www.freebsd.org website. The web site
 didn't load, yet I try again in 10 other machines to see if it
 was a machine issue. Lastly I try loading the size in a Windows
 XP machine and it works ok. What seems to be the problem in this
 case? I have run out of ideas and even ask a few colleges at work
 and they don't seem to have a clue either. Please advise. Lisandro grullon
 
  From the section Compatibility problems of
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_window_scale_option
 
  TCP Window Scaling is widely implemented in the Windows Vista
  operating system. Because many routers do not properly implement TCP
  Window Scaling, it can cause a users Internet connection to
  malfunction intermittently for a few minutes, then appear to start
  working again for no reason. If diagnose problem is selected in
  Vista, an error message will be displayed cannot communicate with
  primary DNS server.
  
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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-18 Thread Gerard
On October 17, 2007 at 07:44PM David Benfell wrote:


[ ... ]

 But I believe Firefox is also one of the few pieces of software
 that can be installed on a Windows system without administrator
 privileges; you just install it in the user account space, and
 the Windows system will remember it with the rest of the user
 account settings and not trouble other users of that system
 with it.

Please define 'administrator privileges' and how it is used at your place of
employment. I know of several instances where simply using a piece of software
that was not pre-authorised by the proper personnel, usually the SA, will get
you fired. Most system administrators do not want their systems polluted with
software that they did not install or authorized for use. The reasons are
quite obvious


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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-18 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

Gerard wrote:

On October 17, 2007 at 07:44PM David Benfell wrote:


[ ... ]


But I believe Firefox is also one of the few pieces of software
that can be installed on a Windows system without administrator
privileges; you just install it in the user account space, and
the Windows system will remember it with the rest of the user
account settings and not trouble other users of that system
with it.


Please define 'administrator privileges' and how it is used at your place of
employment. I know of several instances where simply using a piece of software
that was not pre-authorised by the proper personnel, usually the SA, will get
you fired. Most system administrators do not want their systems polluted with
software that they did not install or authorized for use. The reasons are
quite obvious



do I understand you right?

You say that it is normal that users get fired because system 
administrators are not able to administer their systems properly?


Man, fire the management.

Erich
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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-18 Thread Gerard
On October 18, 2007 at 07:16AM Erich Dollansky wrote:

[ ... ]

 do I understand you right?
 
 You say that it is normal that users get fired because system 
 administrators are not able to administer their systems properly?

No, employees can be dismissed for installing and or using unauthorized
software/hardware on company equipment.


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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread J65nko
On 10/16/07, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear all users,
 After troubleshooting from all angles this problem i have run out of 
 imagination/sense. I loaded a machine with Windows Vista a work and try 
 accessing the www.freebsd.org website. The web site didn't load, yet I try 
 again in 10 other machines to see if it was a machine issue. Lastly I try 
 loading the size in a Windows XP machine and it works ok. What seems to be 
 the problem in this case? I have run out of ideas and even ask a few colleges 
 at work and they don't seem to have a clue either. Please advise. Lisandro 
 grullon

From the section Compatibility problems of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_window_scale_option

TCP Window Scaling is widely implemented in the Windows Vista
operating system. Because many routers do not properly implement TCP
Window Scaling, it can cause a users Internet connection to
malfunction intermittently for a few minutes, then appear to start
working again for no reason. If diagnose problem is selected in
Vista, an error message will be displayed cannot communicate with
primary DNS server.

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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Lisandro Grullon
This is insane, the FreebSD team needs to find a more liable solution to this 
problem, hence some of our prospects users that will be browsing the site with 
vista machi9nes will just go away without knowing what is going on. Is the team 
currently working gin a solution to this problem, after all most networks still 
routing through IPv6. Patiently waiting for an answer...Lisandro Grullon



 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:07:55 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 On 10/16/07, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dear all users,
  After troubleshooting from all angles this problem i have run out of 
  imagination/sense. I loaded a machine with Windows Vista a work and try 
  accessing the www.freebsd.org website. The web site didn't load, yet I try 
  again in 10 other machines to see if it was a machine issue. Lastly I try 
  loading the size in a Windows XP machine and it works ok. What seems to be 
  the problem in this case? I have run out of ideas and even ask a few 
  colleges at work and they don't seem to have a clue either. Please advise. 
  Lisandro grullon
 
 From the section Compatibility problems of
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_window_scale_option
 
 TCP Window Scaling is widely implemented in the Windows Vista
 operating system. Because many routers do not properly implement TCP
 Window Scaling, it can cause a users Internet connection to
 malfunction intermittently for a few minutes, then appear to start
 working again for no reason. If diagnose problem is selected in
 Vista, an error message will be displayed cannot communicate with
 primary DNS server.
 
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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Lisandro Grullon
How do I disable ipv6 in my browser, if you can elaborate on that it would be 
helpful. Thanks in advance.Lisandro

Please provide both exmaples for IE and Firefox.




 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:01:23 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  After troubleshooting from all angles this problem i have run out of
  imagination/sense. I loaded a machine with Windows Vista a work and try
  accessing the www.freebsd.org website. The web site didn't load, yet I
  try again in 10 other machines to see if it was a machine issue. Lastly
  I try loading the size in a Windows XP machine and it works ok. What
  seems to be the problem in this case? I have run out of ideas and even
  ask a few colleges at work and they don't seem to have a clue either.
 
 Try disabling IPv6 in either your browser or your operating system,
 or use a proxy that only does IPv4.
 
 Fabian

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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Gueven Bay
2007/10/17, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 How do I disable ipv6 in my browser, if you can elaborate on that it would be 
 helpful. Thanks in advance.Lisandro

 Please provide both exmaples for IE and Firefox.


I don't know how to disable IPv6 in IE. But for Firefox:
1) you type about:config into the address line at the top
2) then in the filter/search field you type ipv6
3) you see a line with network.dns.disableIPv6 ...
4) you click with right mouse key and choose Editing
5) type true into the value field
6) have fun
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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 This is insane, the FreebSD team needs to find a more liable solution to this 
 problem, hence some of our prospects users that will be browsing the site 
 with vista machi9nes will just go away without knowing what is going on. Is 
 the team currently working gin a solution to this problem, after all most 
 networks still routing through IPv6. Patiently waiting for an 
 answer...Lisandro Grullon

The following is taken from the script of government informational video
#3378:

Commentator: Fear not!

[Cut to scenes of Post WWII networking facilities ravaged by the war.
Half-starving network technicians are trying to repair antiquated
routers and switches.]

Commentator: The FreeBSD team is working feverishly to solve this problem.
Unfortunately, the resolution requires the replacement of billions of
dollars worth of network equipment spread across the world, much of it
owned by private companies who have little or no knowledge of the
problem or the solution.

[Cut to air-drops of new networking equipment being dropped over war-
torn cities.  Crowds of people line the streets and cheer as the
parachutes drop gently to the ground right in front of the local telco.]

Commentator: Luckily, the FreeBSD project has scores of influential
computer technicians all over the world, and they're all working to
solve the problem.  We believe that, in time, this scourge on our
network can be removed!

[Cut to shots of community groups meeting in churches with laptops.]

Commentator: What can you do to help?  Work to track down the exact
cause of your particular network problem and report it to the responsible
party.  Volunteer with your local user's group for whatever needs done!
Help to organize others and spread the news!


  Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:07:55 +0200
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
  
  On 10/16/07, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Dear all users,
   After troubleshooting from all angles this problem i have run out of 
   imagination/sense. I loaded a machine with Windows Vista a work and try 
   accessing the www.freebsd.org website. The web site didn't load, yet I 
   try again in 10 other machines to see if it was a machine issue. Lastly I 
   try loading the size in a Windows XP machine and it works ok. What seems 
   to be the problem in this case? I have run out of ideas and even ask a 
   few colleges at work and they don't seem to have a clue either. Please 
   advise. Lisandro grullon
  
  From the section Compatibility problems of
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_window_scale_option
  
  TCP Window Scaling is widely implemented in the Windows Vista
  operating system. Because many routers do not properly implement TCP
  Window Scaling, it can cause a users Internet connection to
  malfunction intermittently for a few minutes, then appear to start
  working again for no reason. If diagnose problem is selected in
  Vista, an error message will be displayed cannot communicate with
  primary DNS server.
  
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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Lisandro Grullon

I follow your instructions as you outline them here using Firefox, close and 
restart the browser and still not working. Please advise.


 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:27:13 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 2007/10/17, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  How do I disable ipv6 in my browser, if you can elaborate on that it would 
  be helpful. Thanks in advance.Lisandro
 
  Please provide both exmaples for IE and Firefox.
 
 
 I don't know how to disable IPv6 in IE. But for Firefox:
 1) you type about:config into the address line at the top
 2) then in the filter/search field you type ipv6
 3) you see a line with network.dns.disableIPv6 ...
 4) you click with right mouse key and choose Editing
 5) type true into the value field
 6) have fun
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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
Hello Lisandro:

You can try this from a command prompt.

netsh interface teredo set state disabled

That disables teredo for the entire system.  I don't think you can just disable 
it for the browser.

Regards,

Mike

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisandro Grullon
 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:50 AM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 
 I follow your instructions as you outline them here using Firefox,
 close and restart the browser and still not working. Please advise.
 
 
  Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:27:13 +0200
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
  2007/10/17, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   How do I disable ipv6 in my browser, if you can elaborate on that
 it would be helpful. Thanks in advance.Lisandro
  
   Please provide both exmaples for IE and Firefox.
  
 
  I don't know how to disable IPv6 in IE. But for Firefox:
  1) you type about:config into the address line at the top
  2) then in the filter/search field you type ipv6
  3) you see a line with network.dns.disableIPv6 ...
  4) you click with right mouse key and choose Editing
  5) type true into the value field
  6) have fun
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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Lisandro Grullon
Hi Michael,
Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you told me I still unable 
to load www.freebsd.org, why am I able to load www.uk.freebsd.org and not the 
US domain, is there something wrong with the US website? I can't seem to find 
logic here.



 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:08:15 -0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 CC: 
 Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 Hello Lisandro:
 
 You can try this from a command prompt.
 
 netsh interface teredo set state disabled
 
 That disables teredo for the entire system.  I don't think you can just 
 disable it for the browser.
 
 Regards,
 
 Mike
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisandro Grullon
  Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:50 AM
  To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
  
  
  I follow your instructions as you outline them here using Firefox,
  close and restart the browser and still not working. Please advise.
  
  
   Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:27:13 +0200
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
  
   2007/10/17, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
How do I disable ipv6 in my browser, if you can elaborate on that
  it would be helpful. Thanks in advance.Lisandro
   
Please provide both exmaples for IE and Firefox.
   
  
   I don't know how to disable IPv6 in IE. But for Firefox:
   1) you type about:config into the address line at the top
   2) then in the filter/search field you type ipv6
   3) you see a line with network.dns.disableIPv6 ...
   4) you click with right mouse key and choose Editing
   5) type true into the value field
   6) have fun
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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
Hello Lisandro:

Sure, here's the output from a Vista laptop and ping.

C:\ping www.freebsd.org

Pinging www.freebsd.org [2001:4f8:fff6::21] from 2001:468:1420:f:5872:c1f6:31bd:
2608 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 2001:4f8:fff6::21: time=144ms
Reply from 2001:4f8:fff6::21: time=142ms
Reply from 2001:4f8:fff6::21: time=143ms
Reply from 2001:4f8:fff6::21: time=143ms

Ping statistics for 2001:4f8:fff6::21:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 142ms, Maximum = 144ms, Average = 143ms

C:\ ping www.uk.freebsd.org

Pinging web008.pavilion.net [212.74.4.8] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.74.4.8: bytes=32 time=139ms TTL=43
Reply from 212.74.4.8: bytes=32 time=137ms TTL=43
Reply from 212.74.4.8: bytes=32 time=138ms TTL=43
Reply from 212.74.4.8: bytes=32 time=138ms TTL=43

Ping statistics for 212.74.4.8:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 137ms, Maximum = 139ms, Average = 138ms

So, even though I didn't tell Vista to use IPv6 for www.freebsd.org, that's 
what it found first.  Thankfully, I'm IPv6 enabled on my laptop so I can reach 
the site.  It appears that the UK site is not advertising IPv6 yet so you can 
still reach it.

Here is another link directly from Microsoft that might have more options for 
disabling IPv6 in your Vista machine.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/ipv6/ipv6faq.mspx

Regards,

Mike

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisandro Grullon
 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:21 AM
 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 Hi Michael,
 Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you told me I
 still unable to load www.freebsd.org, why am I able to load
 www.uk.freebsd.org and not the US domain, is there something wrong with
 the US website? I can't seem to find logic here.
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:08:15 -0700
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  CC:
  Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
  Hello Lisandro:
 
  You can try this from a command prompt.
 
  netsh interface teredo set state disabled
 
  That disables teredo for the entire system.  I don't think you can
 just disable it for the browser.
 
  Regards,
 
  Mike
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd-
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisandro Grullon
   Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:50 AM
   To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
   Subject: RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
  
  
   I follow your instructions as you outline them here using Firefox,
   close and restart the browser and still not working. Please advise.
  
  
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:27:13 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
   
2007/10/17, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 How do I disable ipv6 in my browser, if you can elaborate on
 that
   it would be helpful. Thanks in advance.Lisandro

 Please provide both exmaples for IE and Firefox.

   
I don't know how to disable IPv6 in IE. But for Firefox:
1) you type about:config into the address line at the top
2) then in the filter/search field you type ipv6
3) you see a line with network.dns.disableIPv6 ...
4) you click with right mouse key and choose Editing
5) type true into the value field
6) have fun
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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread NetOpsCenter

Bill Moran wrote:

In response to Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  

This is insane, the FreebSD team needs to find a more liable solution to this 
problem, hence some of our prospects users that will be browsing the site with 
vista machi9nes will just go away without knowing what is going on. Is the team 
currently working gin a solution to this problem, after all most networks still 
routing through IPv6. Patiently waiting for an answer...Lisandro Grullon



The following is taken from the script of government informational video
#3378:

Commentator: Fear not!

[Cut to scenes of Post WWII networking facilities ravaged by the war.
Half-starving network technicians are trying to repair antiquated
routers and switches.]

Commentator: The FreeBSD team is working feverishly to solve this problem.
Unfortunately, the resolution requires the replacement of billions of
dollars worth of network equipment spread across the world, much of it
owned by private companies who have little or no knowledge of the
problem or the solution.

[Cut to air-drops of new networking equipment being dropped over war-
torn cities.  Crowds of people line the streets and cheer as the
parachutes drop gently to the ground right in front of the local telco.]

Commentator: Luckily, the FreeBSD project has scores of influential
computer technicians all over the world, and they're all working to
solve the problem.  We believe that, in time, this scourge on our
network can be removed!

[Cut to shots of community groups meeting in churches with laptops.]

Commentator: What can you do to help?  Work to track down the exact
cause of your particular network problem and report it to the responsible
party.  Volunteer with your local user's group for whatever needs done!
Help to organize others and spread the news!


  

Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:07:55 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

On 10/16/07, Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Dear all users,
After troubleshooting from all angles this problem i have run out of 
imagination/sense. I loaded a machine with Windows Vista a work and try 
accessing the www.freebsd.org website. The web site didn't load, yet I try 
again in 10 other machines to see if it was a machine issue. Lastly I try 
loading the size in a Windows XP machine and it works ok. What seems to be the 
problem in this case? I have run out of ideas and even ask a few colleges at 
work and they don't seem to have a clue either. Please advise. Lisandro grullon


From the section Compatibility problems of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_window_scale_option

TCP Window Scaling is widely implemented in the Windows Vista
operating system. Because many routers do not properly implement TCP
Window Scaling, it can cause a users Internet connection to
malfunction intermittently for a few minutes, then appear to start
working again for no reason. If diagnose problem is selected in
Vista, an error message will be displayed cannot communicate with
primary DNS server.

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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Rob

Lisandro Grullon wrote:

Hi Michael,
Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you told me I still unable 
to load www.freebsd.org, why am I able to load www.uk.freebsd.org and not the 
US domain, is there something wrong with the US website? I can't seem to find 
logic here.


Let's see.. the problem is your stupid operating system and it's browser.

Why the hell do you continue to whine to us about it?

Take it up with billy gates and his minions.

  -Rob

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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 12:21 -0400, Lisandro Grullon wrote:
 Hi Michael,
 Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you 
 told me I still unable to load www.freebsd.org, why am I 
 able to load www.uk.freebsd.org and not the US domain, is 
 there something wrong with the US website? I can't seem to 
 find logic here.
[...snip...]

Try Firefox ;;

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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Lisandro Grullon
Dear Rob,
Do us a favor, do not reply to peoples' questions with your low level 
intelligent response. Only reply if you will add value to the list. 

Lisandro Grullon



 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:00 -0400
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
 CC: 
 Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
 
 Lisandro Grullon wrote:
  Hi Michael,
  Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you told me I still 
  unable to load www.freebsd.org, why am I able to load www.uk.freebsd.org 
  and not the US domain, is there something wrong with the US website? I 
  can't seem to find logic here.
 
 Let's see.. the problem is your stupid operating system and it's browser.
 
 Why the hell do you continue to whine to us about it?
 
 Take it up with billy gates and his minions.
 
-Rob
 
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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Chris
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:52:49 -0400
Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

... formatted to show proper flow (removed top posting)


  Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:00 -0400
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  CC: 
  Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
  
  Lisandro Grullon wrote:
   Hi Michael,
   Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you told me
   I still unable to load www.freebsd.org, why am I able to load
   www.uk.freebsd.org and not the US domain, is there something
   wrong with the US website? I can't seem to find logic here.
  
  Let's see.. the problem is your stupid operating system and it's
  browser.
  
  Why the hell do you continue to whine to us about it?
  
  Take it up with billy gates and his minions.
  
 -Rob
  
 Dear Rob,
 Do us a favor, do not reply to peoples' questions with your low level
 intelligent response. Only reply if you will add value to the list. 
 
 Lisandro Grullon
 
 

Lisandro - 

What Rob really meant to say is simply this - while the Op has
an issue with IE7 and the FreeBSD website, the Op's issues are beyond
the scope of this list.

The Op's IE7 issues don't belong here, within a FreeBSD list.
Perhaps what Rob also meant was, that perhaps the Op should seen help
on Microsoft driven lists and more to the point, Internet Explorer.

What you could have done (as mentioned by your words of
adding value-added replies) was to reinforce to the Op that indeed the
FreeBSD site (US) was and is indeed up and working.

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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Benjamin A'Lee
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 06:22:05AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 12:21 -0400, Lisandro Grullon wrote:
  Hi Michael,
  Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you 
  told me I still unable to load www.freebsd.org, why am I 
  able to load www.uk.freebsd.org and not the US domain, is 
  there something wrong with the US website? I can't seem to 
  find logic here.
 [...snip...]
 
 Try Firefox ;;

Unfortunately, Firefox isn't always an option, especially on e.g.
corporate networks.

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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Gerard
On October 17, 2007 at 04:52PM Lisandro Grullon wrote:


 Dear Rob,
 Do us a favor, do not reply to peoples' questions with your low level 
 intelligent response. Only reply if you will add value to the list. 
 
 Lisandro Grullon
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:46:00 -0400
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
  CC: 
  Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.
  
  Lisandro Grullon wrote:
   Hi Michael,
   Thank you for your suggestion, but after trying what you told me I still 
   unable to load www.freebsd.org, why am I able to load www.uk.freebsd.org 
   and not the US domain, is there something wrong with the US website? I 
   can't seem to find logic here.
  
  Let's see.. the problem is your stupid operating system and it's browser.
  
  Why the hell do you continue to whine to us about it?
  
  Take it up with billy gates and his minions.
  
 -Rob

While his reply may not have been the most cordial that I have seen, it was
nevertheless quite on point. I have used Vista and IE7 to connect to FBSD
without incident. It therefore becomes evident that the problem is germane to
you rather than the whole FBSD group at large.

Did you actually read the link given to you in an earlier post? You might also
try contacting your ISP and see if there is a problem there. You could also
just use another browser that is more tolerant than IE7 appears to be in this
incident.

If you reply again, please lose the 'top posting' format. It makes following
your replies far more trouble than it is worth.


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[Off Topic] Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread David Benfell
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:23:48 +0100, Benjamin A'Lee wrote:
 
 Unfortunately, Firefox isn't always an option, especially on e.g.
 corporate networks.
 
Actually, I believe it is.  I run around with a memory stick
(well, actually, two of them, but only because I never really
got my act together) loaded with software to make Windows at
least partly useful.  Firefox is one of the programs I typically
have loaded on this stick.  This avoids installing Firefox on
every Windows system I encounter.

But I believe Firefox is also one of the few pieces of software
that can be installed on a Windows system without administrator
privileges; you just install it in the user account space, and
the Windows system will remember it with the rest of the user
account settings and not trouble other users of that system
with it.

But I'll also have to acknowledge we're getting well off topic
for this list here.  So I'll shut up now.

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RE: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Lisandro Grullon
Hi Gerard,
Thank you for your reply. I really do not understand were the problem is, I am 
tending to think it is a problem at the routing level now. I ask two of my 
co-workers to go home and test the website in their machines using vista, they 
did, and were able to access it in IE 7.x and Firefox; however, I still puzzle, 
why are the machines using windows XP downward able to load the site in IE or 
Firefox. I know that you or someone else mention something regarding IPV6 TCP 
window encapsulation at the routing level, yet I am testing vista at work (over 
3000 nodes), this is one of the test I am performing before deploying it. It 
seems weir that www.freebsd.org is the only website experiencing the problem so 
far. 

BTW, the FreeBSD servers in out LAN also cannot access www.freebsd.org;as a 
temporary solution, I have been able to access the handbook via 
www.uk.freebsd.org .  This is a really weird issue that is bothering me and I 
won't stop until it is solve, sooner or later our client side will be migrated 
to Windows Vista hence our users are not  computer literate to migrate to Unix 
or Linux at this point in time. I still looking for clues if anyone has found a 
solution to this, meanwhile I appreciate your effort Gerard and that of many 
others that have contribute to resolve this matter. 

Lisandro Grullon




 
 While his reply may not have been the most cordial that I have seen, it was
 nevertheless quite on point. I have used Vista and IE7 to connect to FBSD
 without incident. It therefore becomes evident that the problem is germane to
 you rather than the whole FBSD group at large.
 
 Did you actually read the link given to you in an earlier post? You might also
 try contacting your ISP and see if there is a problem there. You could also
 just use another browser that is more tolerant than IE7 appears to be in this
 incident.
 
 If you reply again, please lose the 'top posting' format. It makes following
 your replies far more trouble than it is worth.
 
 
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 A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
 Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
 A: Top-posting.
 Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
 
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Re: [Off Topic] Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-17 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
David Benfell wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:23:48 +0100, Benjamin A'Lee wrote:
   
 Unfortunately, Firefox isn't always an option, especially on e.g.
 corporate networks.

 
 Actually, I believe it is.  I run around with a memory stick
 (well, actually, two of them, but only because I never really
 got my act together) loaded with software to make Windows at
 least partly useful.  Firefox is one of the programs I typically
 have loaded on this stick.  This avoids installing Firefox on
 every Windows system I encounter.
   

You can even go a step farther and put FreeBSD on a stick (though to
have anything usable you will need 8 to 10 gb [assuming
gnome/firefox/thunderbird/openoffice])

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Re: www.freebsd.org won't load in IE 7.x in vista box.

2007-10-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Lisandro Grullon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After troubleshooting from all angles this problem i have run out of
 imagination/sense. I loaded a machine with Windows Vista a work and try
 accessing the www.freebsd.org website. The web site didn't load, yet I
 try again in 10 other machines to see if it was a machine issue. Lastly
 I try loading the size in a Windows XP machine and it works ok. What
 seems to be the problem in this case? I have run out of ideas and even
 ask a few colleges at work and they don't seem to have a clue either.

Try disabling IPv6 in either your browser or your operating system,
or use a proxy that only does IPv4.

Fabian


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