[Fwd: Re: Random Freeze]
Paul Mather wrote: Mark, When you do, look for PREEMPTION. That should speed up the search. :-) Yes, I searched the mailing lsts and found it, deleted #define PREEMPTION from sys/i38i6/include/param.h, rebuilt my kernel and the machine has been up for 13 hours now :-) Only thing is the screensaver hangs after ~5 minutes (that had me worried the first time it happened), but that's not really important. Seriously, though, -CURRENT has been going through some major instability the last fortnight or so. One thesis is that the pre-emption code added has either introduced or uncovered some obscure bugs. The net effect has been random freezes---most often reported is when under load or doing something (e.g., rendering a complicated page) using Mozilla, or when using XMMS. The two apps I probably use the most! One suggestion, until the culprit has been found, is to rebuild without PREEMPTION (undef it in /usr/src/sys/i386/include/param.h). That has certainly stopped the freezes in my case. Me too. If you're running -CURRENT, it is advisable to subscribe to the freebsd-current mailing list---if nothing else but to be apprised of ongoing problems like this, or to get a heads-up about possible future instability caused by major repository/functionality changes. (For example, today there was a heads-up about the GCC 3.4 import being done [which seems to have broken things temporarily].) I have done now. I'm only running -CURRENT because this is a dual CPU box and when I built it back in December what I was readin on the lists suggested that 5-STABLE was only a few months away and, since SMP support in 5.x is superior to 4.x, I figured upgrading 5-CURRENT-5-STABLE would be easier than 4-STABLE-%-STABLE. As soon as we get a 5-STABLE that's what I'll run. Thanks for your input. Regards, Mark Cheers, Paul. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: Joseph Peterson wrote: Unfortunately that is not the solution to my problem, I've run memtest86 on my laptop several times and found no problems... any other thoughts? =) -joe Just a thought: Have you build your world and / or kernel from source? If that's the case double check processor-specific make options like CPUTYPE, CFLAGS, COPTFLAGS, etc. (they can be used from command line and from /etc/make.conf) Good luck! Karol I'm seeing the same problem on my dual Athlon box. The freezes are totally random AFAICT, sometimes when the machine is just idling. I've not used any CPU-specific make options but may try setting some to see if it makes a difference. One thing though, I only have cpu I686_CPU set, not I486_CPU and I586_CPU as well, maybe that could be a problem? I'm running -CURRENT and the build I did on 8 April didn't have this problem but it started with the next build I did a couple of weeks ago. I've cvsup'd and rebuilt a couple of times since, the last on 25 July, but the problem persists. Regards, Mark ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
Mark Ovens wrote: I'm seeing the same problem on my dual Athlon box. The freezes are totally random AFAICT, sometimes when the machine is just idling. I've not used any CPU-specific make options but may try setting some to see if it makes a difference. One thing though, I only have cpu I686_CPU set, not I486_CPU and I586_CPU as well, maybe that could be a problem? AFAIK, that's a proper setting for Athlons. What I recommend is you shouldn't play with make options before setting up a stable system (sorry if that's too obvious). I'm running -CURRENT and the build I did on 8 April didn't have this problem but it started with the next build I did a couple of weeks ago. I've cvsup'd and rebuilt a couple of times since, the last on 25 July, but the problem persists. I don't have much experience with CURRENT (and with SMP) but if you didn't change the config files it looks like something in the code (this is possible in CURRENT, right?). Only thing I can think of is reading freebsd-current and searching the archives. Not much from me, sorry. Regards, Karol -- Karol Kwiatkowski freebsd at orchid dot homeunix dot org ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: Mark Ovens wrote: I'm seeing the same problem on my dual Athlon box. The freezes are totally random AFAICT, sometimes when the machine is just idling. I've not used any CPU-specific make options but may try setting some to see if it makes a difference. One thing though, I only have cpu I686_CPU set, not I486_CPU and I586_CPU as well, maybe that could be a problem? AFAIK, that's a proper setting for Athlons. What I recommend is you shouldn't play with make options before setting up a stable system (sorry if that's too obvious). I'm running -CURRENT and the build I did on 8 April didn't have this problem but it started with the next build I did a couple of weeks ago. I've cvsup'd and rebuilt a couple of times since, the last on 25 July, but the problem persists. I don't have much experience with CURRENT (and with SMP) but if you didn't change the config files it looks like something in the code (this is possible in CURRENT, right?). Only thing I can think of is reading freebsd-current and searching the archives. Not much from me, sorry. I've noticed something; it only seems to freeze when I'm in X. I had the machine up for over 30 hours at the command line yesterday whilst I upgraded some ports, including KDE (which was why I did it from the command line). I rebooted it when I'd finished. I've never had it stay up anywhere near that long since the 8 April build. Some conflict between XFree86 (4.3.0) and -CURRENT/5.2.1-RELEASE? Also, my machine dual-boots with XP and that stays up for days at a time so, in my case at least, I doubt it's hardware, plus I've run memtest86 and it was OK. Thanks for the input. I'm going to subscribe to freebsd-current and search the archives. Regards, Mark Regards, Karol ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Random Freeze
Thanks to all for answer. Effectively I use memtest86 to find a Bad module in my box, so I remove it and for the moment by box is running well. -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Robert Storey Envoyé : jeudi 22 juillet 2004 16:18 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Random Freeze On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:41:56 +0200 Cedric GROSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm running an AMD Duron 700 Box with freeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE, and sometimes the system freeze so I must reboot. I haven't anything in log. So, What could be the problem ? How could I obtain some clue of the problem (debug flag, something like that..) ? I had this and it turned out to be dust in the slots for add-on cards. Removing the cards, cleaning the terminals and blowing out the dust from the slots, fixed the problem. Overheating will produce the same symptoms. If you're in the northern hemisphere, this is time of year when you have to worry about this. Blowing out dust (pay attention to the cpu fan and power supply fan, which are dust traps) can make the difference. Of course, your problem may have nothing to do with the above. good luck, Robert ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
Unfortunately that is not the solution to my problem, I've run memtest86 on my laptop several times and found no problems... any other thoughts? =) -joe On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:17:28 +0200, Cedric GROSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all for answer. Effectively I use memtest86 to find a Bad module in my box, so I remove it and for the moment by box is running well. -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Robert Storey Envoyé : jeudi 22 juillet 2004 16:18 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Random Freeze On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:41:56 +0200 Cedric GROSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm running an AMD Duron 700 Box with freeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE, and sometimes the system freeze so I must reboot. I haven't anything in log. So, What could be the problem ? How could I obtain some clue of the problem (debug flag, something like that..) ? I had this and it turned out to be dust in the slots for add-on cards. Removing the cards, cleaning the terminals and blowing out the dust from the slots, fixed the problem. Overheating will produce the same symptoms. If you're in the northern hemisphere, this is time of year when you have to worry about this. Blowing out dust (pay attention to the cpu fan and power supply fan, which are dust traps) can make the difference. Of course, your problem may have nothing to do with the above. good luck, Robert ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:41:56 +0200 Cedric GROSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm running an AMD Duron 700 Box with freeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE, and sometimes the system freeze so I must reboot. I haven't anything in log. So, What could be the problem ? How could I obtain some clue of the problem (debug flag, something like that..) ? Freezes when doing what? Could be hardware or software... not enough info provided to say any thing... BTW what is the rest of the hardware a dmesg and x config would be useful too. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
Joseph Peterson wrote: Unfortunately that is not the solution to my problem, I've run memtest86 on my laptop several times and found no problems... any other thoughts? =) -joe Just a thought: Have you build your world and / or kernel from source? If that's the case double check processor-specific make options like CPUTYPE, CFLAGS, COPTFLAGS, etc. (they can be used from command line and from /etc/make.conf) Good luck! Karol -- Karol Kwiatkowski freebsd at orchid dot homeunix dot org ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
Nope, not setting any of those... On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:19:26 +0200, Karol Kwiatkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph Peterson wrote: Unfortunately that is not the solution to my problem, I've run memtest86 on my laptop several times and found no problems... any other thoughts? =) -joe Just a thought: Have you build your world and / or kernel from source? If that's the case double check processor-specific make options like CPUTYPE, CFLAGS, COPTFLAGS, etc. (they can be used from command line and from /etc/make.conf) Good luck! Karol -- Karol Kwiatkowski freebsd at orchid dot homeunix dot org ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Random Freeze
Hello, I'm running an AMD Duron 700 Box with freeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE, and sometimes the system freeze so I must reboot. I haven't anything in log. So, What could be the problem ? How could I obtain some clue of the problem (debug flag, something like that..) ? Thanks for help. Cedric ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
Wiadomo Oryginalna Od: Cedric GROSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:41:56 +0200 Temat: Random Freeze Hello, I'm running an AMD Duron 700 Box with freeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE, and sometimes the system freeze so I must reboot. I haven't anything in log. So, What could be the problem ? How could I obtain some clue of the problem (debug flag, something like that..) ? Thanks for help. Cedric Check your memory slots, memory chips, and perform some memory test - you can find some apps in ports. I had similiar problem once, and it was memory caused. m. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 15:41, Cedric GROSS wrote: Hello, I'm running an AMD Duron 700 Box with freeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE, and sometimes the system freeze so I must reboot. I haven't anything in log. So, What could be the problem ? How could I obtain some clue of the problem (debug flag, something like that..) ? Hi, Are you using any sort of traffic shaping( dummynet ) with ipfw ? Had a similar problem and solved it by setting the timer granularity ( options HZ=1000 ) in the kernel which is strongly recommended. The machine also gave me no clue as to why it froze. Checking your memory as already suggested is also a good idea. You can use the memory test located in /usr/ports/sysutils/memtest86 which is a great tool. You might also want to upgrade to the latest source for that particular RELEASE as bugs are constantly found and corrected. Regards, -- Nelis Lamprecht PGP: http://www.8ball.co.za/pgpkey/nelis.asc Unix IS user friendly.. It's just selective about who its friends are. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Random Freeze
I have the same problem, except I'm running -CURRENT on a Toshiba Satelite A25-S279 laptop. (Intel P4 NOT MOBILE or CELERON 2.8Ghz) From time to time, somtimes once a day, sometimes twice in 10 minutes, doing nothing specific, the machine will lock completely, no caps lock change, not able to ping it, etc... The screen is still on, but I have to power-cycle it. -joe On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:41:56 +0200, Cedric GROSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm running an AMD Duron 700 Box with freeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE, and sometimes the system freeze so I must reboot. I haven't anything in log. So, What could be the problem ? How could I obtain some clue of the problem (debug flag, something like that..) ? Thanks for help. Cedric ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Random Freeze
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:41:56 +0200 Cedric GROSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm running an AMD Duron 700 Box with freeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE, and sometimes the system freeze so I must reboot. I haven't anything in log. So, What could be the problem ? How could I obtain some clue of the problem (debug flag, something like that..) ? I had this and it turned out to be dust in the slots for add-on cards. Removing the cards, cleaning the terminals and blowing out the dust from the slots, fixed the problem. Overheating will produce the same symptoms. If you're in the northern hemisphere, this is time of year when you have to worry about this. Blowing out dust (pay attention to the cpu fan and power supply fan, which are dust traps) can make the difference. Of course, your problem may have nothing to do with the above. good luck, Robert ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
