Re: Upgrading the Installed package
On Feb 6, 2008 11:41 AM, navneet Upadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have two binary packages of an application of version 1.1 and 1.2. *The 1.1 is already installed, how can i upgrade it to 1.2* ? Do i have to uninstall 1.1 and then install 1.2 ? I would prefer a way by which i can upgrade an wxisting package without uninstalling. You may try portupgrade which can handle upgrades for you. more info on: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html regards, shantanoo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading the Installed package
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 02:10:19PM +0530, ??? (Shantanoo) wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 11:41 AM, navneet Upadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have two binary packages of an application of version 1.1 and 1.2. *The 1.1 is already installed, how can i upgrade it to 1.2* ? Do i have to uninstall 1.1 and then install 1.2 ? I would prefer a way by which i can upgrade an wxisting package without uninstalling. You may try portupgrade which can handle upgrades for you. more info on: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html Sigh... why do people always recommend portupgrade to users without telling them of the caveats? I grow tired of this. So let's tell Navneet exactly what he's getting into, shall we? portupgrade: - Written in Ruby, which not many UNIX admins are familiar with (compared to, say, perl). If portupgrade has a bug, you will need to speak Ruby. - Ruby is not included in the base system; you have to install it from ports (read: just another thing to have to maintain...) ports base system: - C-based, and includes all of the pkg_* utilities. Nearly every FreeBSD user/administrator is familiar with these tools. - gcc comes with the base system. portupgrade: - Maintains its own database of ports installed, dependencies, and so on -- COMPLETELY separate from that of the ports base system. - Said database must be kept in sync with ports base system dependencies and other whatnots; and if they go out of sync (which happens regularly as can be confirmed by the never-ending supply of posts to freebsd-ports@ about portupgrade problems), you get to read incredibly cryptic error messages from Ruby. - Said database is Berkeley DB-based, which means you have to install Oracle/Sleepycat BDB from ports. (I believe you can pick DB1.x which comes with libc, but it's not recommended due to bugs). ports base system: - Uses flat text files in /var/db/pkg and /var/db/ports. The reason portupgrade uses its own database is supposedly due to the shortcomings/oversights of the existing ports system, and that's a legitimate point.. But my opinion is that these shortcomings/oversights should be addressed in the ports system and not via some third-party tool which adds unnecessary complexities and more headaches. Thus, I would suggest people go with the KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) method, and consider using tools which are written in languages which come with the base system (e.g. C or sh) -- but even more importantly, use and rely solely on the ports base system. One such tool is portmaster (ports-mgmt/portmaster), maintained by Doug Barton. It's actively maintained and written in sh. Its author is quite active with freebsd-ports, and is quick to respond to both bug reports and feature requests. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading the Installed package
while i usually did this think manually i would try portmaster next time i will need an upgrade. and - thanks to your explanation - i will avoid portupgrade. thank you. One such tool is portmaster (ports-mgmt/portmaster), maintained by Doug Barton. It's actively maintained and written in sh. Its author is quite active with freebsd-ports, and is quick to respond to both bug reports and feature requests. -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading the Installed package
navneet Upadhyay wrote: Hi, I have two binary packages of an application of version 1.1 and 1.2. *The 1.1 is already installed, how can i upgrade it to 1.2* ? Do i have to uninstall 1.1 and then install 1.2 ? I would prefer a way by which i can upgrade an wxisting package without uninstalling. Uninstall reinstall takes all of five seconds. It's quite easy. Any of the ports management software has to do some variety of this anyway. The only difference is they do it with one command. #!/bin/sh pkg_delete pkg-1.1 pkg_add pkg-1.2 There! A new port management binary upgrade utility. The usefulness of the port management apps (portmaster,portupgrade) is when you want to upgrade multiple ports and large amounts of dependencies all at once. They are more trouble than they are worth for a single package. That is, unless you are already using them. Regards, Jason ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading the Installed package
Jason C. Wells wrote: navneet Upadhyay wrote: Hi, I have two binary packages of an application of version 1.1 and 1.2. *The 1.1 is already installed, how can i upgrade it to 1.2* ? Do i have to uninstall 1.1 and then install 1.2 ? I would prefer a way by which i can upgrade an wxisting package without uninstalling. Uninstall reinstall takes all of five seconds. It's quite easy. Any of the ports management software has to do some variety of this anyway. The only difference is they do it with one command. Actually, there is one other key difference. portupgrade[1] will make a *backup* of the package it is about to uninstall, and will recover that backup if the subsequent install of the new package fails. You can do that by hand with the pkg_ tools but I know I prefer it to just happen. You could add that to your script, but why re-invent the wheel? portupgrade[1] also keeps copies of any libraries it uninstalls during an upgrade, which ought not to be necessary. But if something was silently relying on one, you won't break it. The usefulness of the port management apps (portmaster,portupgrade) is when you want to upgrade multiple ports and large amounts of dependencies all at once. They are more trouble than they are worth for a single package. That is, unless you are already using them. The other argument would be that there's no better time to get familiar with a tool than when you can use it to do something easy. --Alex [1] portmaster may do this too. I don't know as regrettably I haven't found time to try it yet. The new version is something I would like to try, and while I can't recommend it from personal experience, I would suggest trying it nonetheless. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading the Installed package
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 01:51:33AM -0800 I heard the voice of Jeremy Chadwick, and lo! it spake thus: So let's tell Navneet exactly what he's getting into, shall we? OK, but let's do that by telling him what he's getting into, not vague gestures at overblown half-truths. - Ruby is not included in the base system; you have to install it from ports (read: just another thing to have to maintain...) My workstation has about 800 ports installed. A relatively lean server has 300. 1 more is so deep in the noise, you can't hardly measure it, much less see it. ports base system: - C-based, and includes all of the pkg_* utilities. Nearly every FreeBSD user/administrator is familiar with these tools. Can't upgrade things. Show me how I use pkg_* to upgrade a package (let's say, gtk), and have all the metadata set right afterward. Requires either stupid amounts of manual work, or a lot of scripting (I upgrade perl. How do I rebuild p5-*?). portupgrade: - Maintains its own database of ports installed, dependencies, and so on -- COMPLETELY separate from that of the ports base system. Which is just a cache of the existing files, and can be blown away at any time with no consequences other than a minute or two remaking them. - Said database must be kept in sync with ports base system dependencies and other whatnots; and if they go out of sync Which it rebuilds when it notices is out of date. The only time I've had problems out of it in years of using portupgrade is when I do something like update BDB (or less often, portupgrade or ruby-bdb). Whoopie. Consider the recent case involving sudo and portmaster; when you use a tool to update a low-level piece of itself, you have to take some care how you go about it. - Said database is Berkeley DB-based, which means you have to install Oracle/Sleepycat BDB from ports. (I believe you can pick DB1.x which comes with libc, but it's not recommended due to bugs). So now we're up to 4 ports to install? If you can make that my biggest worry, I'll sent you a ginormous certified check first thing in the morning. There are a lot of things to hate in portupgrade, but let's don't pile handwaving anthills into mountains on top of that. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading the Installed package
Hi, I have two binary packages of an application of version 1.1 and 1.2. *The 1.1 is already installed, how can i upgrade it to 1.2* ? Do i have to uninstall 1.1 and then install 1.2 ? I would prefer a way by which i can upgrade an wxisting package without uninstalling. Thanks, Navneet ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
