Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology
t should be as easy as pie to add a user. Why the hell does FreeBSD go on and on shooting itself in the foot ? RTFM has become a bad joke. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology .. oh come on
Adding a user should not be rocket science, If the old time Bill Joy lovers would realise that 'csh sucks big time, we may avoid a lot of problems. If anyone can prove to me that csh is superior in any respect to bash, then please tell me. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology .. oh come on
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:16:31 +0100 Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding a user should not be rocket science, It isn't. If the old time Bill Joy lovers would realise that 'csh sucks big time, we may avoid a lot of problems. You can always use /bin/sh, and yes, it does history (set -o emacs) If anyone can prove to me that csh is superior in any respect to bash, then please tell me. -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 841916 Dec 31 15:16 /bin/tcsh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1036396 Nov 17 13:30 /usr/local/bin/bash tcsh is good enough for interactive use (others like zsh as well), and many people have grown to hate bash for one very simple reason. In another attempt at 'embrace and extend', GNU added some features to plain sh that remained functional even when invoked as /bin/sh. That lead to broken scripts that only ran on GNU/Linux systems. Now I feel fad for feeding a troll, let this thread die already :) Happy new year. -- Miguel Mendez - [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk Of course it runs NetBSD! To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology .. oh come on
On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 18:30, Miguel Mendez wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:16:31 +0100 Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding a user should not be rocket science, It isn't. If the old time Bill Joy lovers would realise that 'csh sucks big time, we may avoid a lot of problems. You can always use /bin/sh, and yes, it does history (set -o emacs) If anyone can prove to me that csh is superior in any respect to bash, then please tell me. -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 841916 Dec 31 15:16 /bin/tcsh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1036396 Nov 17 13:30 /usr/local/bin/bash tcsh is good enough for interactive use (others like zsh as well), and many people have grown to hate bash for one very simple reason. In another attempt at 'embrace and extend', GNU added some features to plain sh that remained functional even when invoked as /bin/sh. That lead to broken scripts that only ran on GNU/Linux systems. Now I feel fad for feeding a troll, let this thread die already :) Even the original poster has requested (two days ago) that this thread be killed off. Why is questions still being cc'd on this? Regards, Stacey Happy new year. -- Stacey Roberts B.Sc (HONS) Computer Science Web: www.vickiandstacey.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (12.29.2002 @ 1340 PST): Cliff Sarginson said, in 0.4K: Ok, Two things. One is I should not have mouthed off such a stupid email. I apologise. Secondly, adduser sucks. Let's end this thread, blame it on me. end of Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology from Cliff Sarginson The whole point of this email has been entirely overlooked: to someone who is unfamiliar with adduser, the initial configuration questions aren't identifiable as such. Perhaps a note such as Answers to the following questions will be used as rules for future user additions: Or something that makes more sense. # Adam - -- Adam Weinberger vectors.cx[EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bayer Berkeley[EMAIL PROTECTED] #vim:set ts=8: 8-char tabs prevent tooth decay. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+ECS2o8KM2ULHQ/0RAtm4AJ9jpAj2aaZ87E3exsNt4KyCxwomIQCbBmtJ VpFjASqYjg+7HaVqVbzzLIA= =oNQM -END PGP SIGNATURE- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re[2]: adduser .. revisited, an apology
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Alex wrote: Secondly, adduser sucks. That's your opinion and that's ok. I for one think that it is great. I used adduser for some accounts and pw for others, me I love the un*x credo that there is always another way to do something. fuz To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:49:26 -0800 Adam Weinberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole point of this email has been entirely overlooked: to someone who is unfamiliar with adduser, the initial configuration questions aren't identifiable as such. Perhaps a note such as Answers to the following questions will be used as rules for future user additions: Or something that makes more sense. I agree with Adam, this bit me in the past also thinking that the Usernames must match regular expression: prompt was asking for the new users name, then also munging up my /etc/adduser.conf file with my proposed new users name, instead of the regular exp. This was all pilot error, but an easy error for a new admin/user to make. --snip-- desktop# adduser /etc/adduser.conf: No such file or directory Use option ``-silent'' if you don't want to see all warnings and questions. Check /etc/shells Check /etc/master.passwd Check /etc/group Usernames must match regular expression: [^[a-z0-9_][a-z0-9_-]*$]: --snip-- Especially unfriendly to a very new admin/user, who should probably be referred to /stand/sysinstall post-install configuration. Remember that as a new user to FreeBSD/UNIX one of the first recommended steps is to get a non-root login, and use it!. Regards, Stephen Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:49:26 -0800 Adam Weinberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The whole point of this email has been entirely overlooked: to someone who is unfamiliar with adduser, the initial configuration questions aren't identifiable as such. Perhaps a note such as Answers to the following questions will be used as rules for future user additions: Or something that makes more sense. I agree with Adam, this bit me in the past also thinking that the Usernames must match regular expression: prompt was asking for the new users name, then also munging up my /etc/adduser.conf file with my proposed new users name, instead of the regular exp. This was all pilot error, but an easy error for a new admin/user to make. --snip-- desktop# adduser /etc/adduser.conf: No such file or directory Use option ``-silent'' if you don't want to see all warnings and questions. Check /etc/shells Check /etc/master.passwd Check /etc/group Usernames must match regular expression: [^[a-z0-9_][a-z0-9_-]*$]: --snip-- Especially unfriendly to a very new admin/user, who should probably be referred to /stand/sysinstall post-install configuration. Remember that as a new user to FreeBSD/UNIX one of the first recommended steps is to get a non-root login, and use it!. Regards, Stephen Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] When you see a short coming like this, is there not some way to get it put into the software and/or FreeBSD handbook? I myself have seen an incident, which if it just had a couple of more words of explanation added, would eliminate a great deal of confusion. Where do you go with suggestions for changes? Joe Gwozdecki Houston, Texas To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (12.30.2002 @ 0649 PST): Joe Gwozdecki said, in 1.9K: When you see a short coming like this, is there not some way to get it put into the software and/or FreeBSD handbook? I myself have seen an incident, which if it just had a couple of more words of explanation added, would eliminate a great deal of confusion. Where do you go with suggestions for changes? end of Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology from Joe Gwozdecki That's what send-pr(1) and the team of committers are there for ::) If you see something you'd like changed, send a PR about it. Better yet, make a patch and send-pr that. It's not nearly as daunting as it may seem. # Adam - -- Adam Weinberger vectors.cx[EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bayer Berkeley[EMAIL PROTECTED] #vim:set ts=8: 8-char tabs prevent tooth decay. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQE+ESiLo8KM2ULHQ/0RAsTaAJ9KiSbTNxA8rbYUB/f5oGrALIMwQQCXQguk ovcBf6yQU87Drp9Hz71A2w== =+iHJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: adduser .. revisited, an apology
Ok, Two things. One is I should not have mouthed off such a stupid email. I apologise. Secondly, adduser sucks. Let's end this thread, blame it on me. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re[2]: adduser .. revisited, an apology
Dear/Beste Cliff, Sunday, December 29, 2002, 10:40:46 PM, you wrote: Ok, Two things. One is I should not have mouthed off such a stupid email. I apologise. It happens to the best of us. Secondly, adduser sucks. That's your opinion and that's ok. I for one think that it is great. Let's end this thread, blame it on me. ok -- Best regards/Met vriendelijke groet, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
