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On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 13:04:39 -1000 Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote: Recently I've sent tests to a couple of our subscribers that I know personally since the tests never came back. Thanks for the heads up as to why. Any chance of getting it fixed? I told the admin about it last year and it doesn't appear to have been fixed yet. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 04/04/11 01:15, Chad Perrin wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 01:37:50AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:46:26 -0600, Chad Perrinper...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:43:59AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: For example, you could install an IMAP interface for mail stored on the server, so you can access it by any IMAP capable client you want, and you could even install a web mail client (e. g. roundcube) to bind to that IMAP inter- face. In my opinion, this is way better than the POP/no-SMTP thing I'm currently doing. Why Roundcube? From what I've seen, it doesn't handle quote indentation and marking properly. Why not? :-) Please tell me why you would want to inflict this kind of behavior on others: For example, you could install an IMAP interface for mail stored on the server, so you can access it by any IMAP capable client you want, and you could even install a web mail client (e. g. roundcube) to bind to that IMAP inter- face. In my opinion, this is way better than the POP/no-SMTP thing I'm currently doing. I've seen Roundcube do this crap. It does *not* make me happy when trying to skim through emails quickly -- and it can be bad when reading more closely, too. In the near future I'm probably going to have to implement a web mail system for times when my clients are travelling and don't have access to an IMAP capable client. If Roundcube isn't a decent solution, what is? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello, On 4 April 2011 11:41, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: In the near future I'm probably going to have to implement a web mail system for times when my clients are travelling and don't have access to an IMAP capable I am not sure why some people are against RC - it seems that it can do indentation and marking quite well (at least from what I have tried). Give it a try. Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:41:02AM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: In the near future I'm probably going to have to implement a web mail system for times when my clients are travelling and don't have access to an IMAP capable client. If Roundcube isn't a decent solution, what is? I'm afraid I'm not very well versed in the nuances of Webmail software. I just know that receiving emails formatted by code that was apparently written by prairie dogs (judging by how it screws up the formatting) is suboptimal. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpHeEaDU1Tvs.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: In the near future I'm probably going to have to implement a web mail system for times when my clients are travelling and don't have access to an IMAP capable client. If Roundcube isn't a decent solution, what is? I kind of like SquirrelMail. It handles threading better than most of the open-source webmail systems, although that's a pretty low bar. ;) To be honest, though, a few months ago I realized that I was primarily using webmail (due to using a lot of different workstations), that spam was getting worse and worse, and that none of my available webmail and spam-filtering options were working as well as the ones that were on my Gmail account. So I switched my personal domain over to a free Google Apps account. I've been pretty pleased with it so far. There's nothing wrong with running a personal email server if that's your thing, but in my case it had long since ceased to be fun and was just one more thing to maintain. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 08:38:59PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: On Apr 2, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 07:29:23PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Get a Gmail account. i tried about a year ago: gdk98188; now i cannot get in. something is hosed ... They're free, make a new one. pretty sure i tried but there was a yelp about my kl...@thought.org address. i'lll try again. IIRC, after messing around for 20 minutes i just quit. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 03/04/2011 02:43, Polytropon wrote: I can only speak for myself regarding this suggestion, and I may also admit that I'm not fully happy with it. I would like to run my own mail server, but corrently I'm using the one for POP of the provider of my domain. I avoid SMTP as sending mail from my system (that runs a MTA) is considered NORMAL by me. Sadly, most others who suffer from spam do not think so, they reject messages coming from behind a dynamic IP, so I use my ISP's relay as smarthost for sending messages. This way, I can still use ANY mail client program I want - I get the messages using fetchmail and can then process them with any program, even in parallel. For sending, I can even | mail -s bla b...@foo.bar from the command line. It may not be optimal for all imaginable scenarios (e. g. reading mail from a different system, sending from a different location), but as I do not require them, it's no big deal. Personally, I agree entirely with the idea of running your own mail server -- so long as you have a sufficient level of competence, and I think most of the people in this thread would be entirely capable. Unfortunately that's not true of the majority of most ISP's clientele, and bitter experience has led them to clamp down on SMTP-from-home in various ways. Some ISPs are friendly to more technically adept users -- mine is a case in point -- but these are few and far between. Even so, you can still run your own servers. You can get a minimally spec'd machine (virtual or physical) at quite a reasonable price nowadays. Polytropon -- given your location, have you checked out hetzner.de? They've got some good deals, and they support using FreeBSD too. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:43:59AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: For example, you could install an IMAP interface for mail stored on the server, so you can access it by any IMAP capable client you want, and you could even install a web mail client (e. g. roundcube) to bind to that IMAP inter- face. In my opinion, this is way better than the POP/no-SMTP thing I'm currently doing. Why Roundcube? From what I've seen, it doesn't handle quote indentation and marking properly. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpMvXYQnFj3L.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On 02/04/2011 21:54, David Chanters wrote: You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. I was going to suggest Gary should have used the freebsd-test mailing list but then I realised it's been broken since May last year. -- Bruce Cran
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On 3 Apr 2011 17:32, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 02/04/2011 21:54, David Chanters wrote: You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. I was going to suggest Gary should have used the freebsd-test mailing list but then I realised it's been broken since May last year. Hah, ironic or what??? Chris. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Bruce Cran wrote: On 02/04/2011 21:54, David Chanters wrote: You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. I was going to suggest Gary should have used the freebsd-test mailing list but then I realised it's been broken since May last year. ##3 Aloha Bruce, Recently I've sent tests to a couple of our subscribers that I know personally since the tests never came back. Thanks for the heads up as to why. Any chance of getting it fixed? ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:46:26 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:43:59AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: For example, you could install an IMAP interface for mail stored on the server, so you can access it by any IMAP capable client you want, and you could even install a web mail client (e. g. roundcube) to bind to that IMAP inter- face. In my opinion, this is way better than the POP/no-SMTP thing I'm currently doing. Why Roundcube? From what I've seen, it doesn't handle quote indentation and marking properly. Why not? :-) From my limited testing, I found it suitable for most of my I don't care customers who do not use indentation or quoting properly. But the advantage of IMAP (e. g. cyrus-imap, courier-imap) is that you can use ANY client program, therefore any web-based mailer you want. There are several others available, such as sqwebmail or openwebmail with different features... RoudCube was just the first solution that came to my mind, I didn't want to say that it's the only solution that does exist. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 01:37:50AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 09:46:26 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 03:43:59AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: For example, you could install an IMAP interface for mail stored on the server, so you can access it by any IMAP capable client you want, and you could even install a web mail client (e. g. roundcube) to bind to that IMAP inter- face. In my opinion, this is way better than the POP/no-SMTP thing I'm currently doing. Why Roundcube? From what I've seen, it doesn't handle quote indentation and marking properly. Why not? :-) Please tell me why you would want to inflict this kind of behavior on others: For example, you could install an IMAP interface for mail stored on the server, so you can access it by any IMAP capable client you want, and you could even install a web mail client (e. g. roundcube) to bind to that IMAP inter- face. In my opinion, this is way better than the POP/no-SMTP thing I'm currently doing. I've seen Roundcube do this crap. It does *not* make me happy when trying to skim through emails quickly -- and it can be bad when reading more closely, too. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpQaVQOdA6E2.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 18:15:48 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I've seen Roundcube do this crap. It does *not* make me happy when trying to skim through emails quickly -- and it can be bad when reading more closely, too. You're fully correct, it may not be the best solution for power users. In this case, an IMAP-capable *local* client program would be much better. With local caching, you can also improve speed. And even programs with good keyboard support are possible, even programs for use in text mode do exist (a welcome solution for blind users). Sadly, my dear customers wanted web mail, and they insisted on RoundCube, so they got it. They're slow in thinkind and reading, slower in typing, so the program speed is still too fast for them. That's all the magic behind the story. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 02:33:53AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 18:15:48 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I've seen Roundcube do this crap. It does *not* make me happy when trying to skim through emails quickly -- and it can be bad when reading more closely, too. You're fully correct, it may not be the best solution for power users. My point is more that it's not the best solution for people whose emails might ever be read by power users, or anyone else who, y'know, reads email discussions. In this case, an IMAP-capable *local* client program would be much better. With local caching, you can also improve speed. And even programs with good keyboard support are possible, even programs for use in text mode do exist (a welcome solution for blind users). . . . like Mutt. Yeah, I know it. Sadly, my dear customers wanted web mail, and they insisted on RoundCube, so they got it. They're slow in thinkind and reading, slower in typing, so the program speed is still too fast for them. That's all the magic behind the story. :-) Well . . . I guess if someone demands a crappy program, you either give it to them or effectively convince them to get it from someone else. I just don't really think it's a great idea to bring up software that makes communication difficult without being prompted for it when giving suggestions for how people should do things. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpLID0S7HuN0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday.letsee if this gets out -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 2 April 2011 21:14, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday. letsee if this gets out You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 09:54:52PM +0100, David Chanters wrote: On 2 April 2011 21:14, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday. letsee if this gets out You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. David well, mail to kline would get back i wasn't sure about mail to kline at thought.org, but i suppose that does go over the wire and back. tx. g -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Get a Gmail account. On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 09:54:52PM +0100, David Chanters wrote: On 2 April 2011 21:14, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday.letsee if this gets out You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. David well, mail to kline would get back i wasn't sure about mail to kline at thought.org, but i suppose that does go over the wire and back. tx. g -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 3 April 2011 00:46, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 09:54:52PM +0100, David Chanters wrote: On 2 April 2011 21:14, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday. letsee if this gets out You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. David well, mail to kline would get back i wasn't sure about mail to kline at thought.org, but i suppose that does go over the wire and back. tx. Yes -- welcome to the 21st century, a la gmail. David ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 07:29:23PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Get a Gmail account. i tried about a year ago: gdk98188; now i cannot get in. something is hosed ... On Apr 2, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 09:54:52PM +0100, David Chanters wrote: On 2 April 2011 21:14, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: my telco modem [[was BRAND NEW in feb]] failed last tuesday.letsee if this gets out You could have just sent yourself an email. But yes, here you are. David well, mail to kline would get back i wasn't sure about mail to kline at thought.org, but i suppose that does go over the wire and back. tx. g -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic Coming soon to http://transfinite.thought.org: On_Suicide ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Apr 2, 2011, at 8:30 PM, Gary Kline wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 07:29:23PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Get a Gmail account. i tried about a year ago: gdk98188; now i cannot get in. something is hosed ... They're free, make a new one. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:30:59 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2011 at 07:29:23PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: Get a Gmail account. i tried about a year ago: gdk98188; now i cannot get in. something is hosed ... In worst case, use a normal mail account - either provided by your own server or by someone you trust, so google is out of scope. :-) Using POP/SMTP/IMAP always gives you the required ability to use the interface of choice, e. g. a standalone MUA that is accessible, and no requirement to do such stuff via the web, using the inconvenience and shortcomings of a web browser. I can only speak for myself regarding this suggestion, and I may also admit that I'm not fully happy with it. I would like to run my own mail server, but corrently I'm using the one for POP of the provider of my domain. I avoid SMTP as sending mail from my system (that runs a MTA) is considered NORMAL by me. Sadly, most others who suffer from spam do not think so, they reject messages coming from behind a dynamic IP, so I use my ISP's relay as smarthost for sending messages. This way, I can still use ANY mail client program I want - I get the messages using fetchmail and can then process them with any program, even in parallel. For sending, I can even | mail -s bla b...@foo.bar from the command line. It may not be optimal for all imaginable scenarios (e. g. reading mail from a different system, sending from a different location), but as I do not require them, it's no big deal. Gary, whenever you have the chance to run you own mail system - DO IT. You have enough knowledge to keep this kind of stuff running, and it gives you more flexibility than anything else. For example, you could install an IMAP interface for mail stored on the server, so you can access it by any IMAP capable client you want, and you could even install a web mail client (e. g. roundcube) to bind to that IMAP inter- face. In my opinion, this is way better than the POP/no-SMTP thing I'm currently doing. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
