Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I could have provided specifics 25 years ago :) when I was involved with this stuff on a daily basis. I have no idea whether it was same as me. still it is off topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/li

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-23 Thread perryh
Robert Bonomi wrote: > > MSDOS/PCDOS had no _documented_ functions to directly access the > > disks, bypassing the file system, but the functions _did_ exist. > > I'm sure you can provide the DOS 'function number' for those calls, > and cites to published data confirming. They may have involved

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From per...@pluto.rain.com Sun Jul 22 22:15:48 2012 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:10:40 -0700 > From: per...@pluto.rain.com > To: bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > Robert Bonomi wrote: > &

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread perryh
Robert Bonomi wrote: > MSDOS/PCDOS had -no- O/S functions to directly access actual disk > devices. The ONLY fuctionality provided to the user, by the "O/S" > was filesystem based access. To get 'raw' device access, one had > to bypass the O/S entirely, and use direct BIOS calls (INT 13h). FA

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

2012-07-22 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > Yes, in theory, they _could_ learn everything they need to know to do > it themselves, but the list of things that a 'know nothing' Windows > user has to dig out, understand, and _use_, is incredibly long and > daunting. I know

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Michael Ross
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:01:41 +0200, Robert Bonomi wrote: I haven't had occasion to dissect a copy of format in years, I don't know if it still defaults to one write attemptto every sector on the disk. "By default in Windows Vista, the format command writes zeros to the whole disk when

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
ctual disk devices. The ONLY fuctionality provided to the user, by the "O/S" can we finally stop this off topic thread? it was about fsck on FAT32 filesystem UNDER FREEBSD (because it is in freebsd-questions). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.or

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:01:41 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > I haven't had occasion to dissect a copy of format in years, I don't > know if it still defaults to one write attemptto every sector on the > disk. I read on the MS TechNet several years ago that it attempted three writes per s

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From: "Michael Ross" > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:06:04 +0200 > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:08:56 +0200, Bruce Cran wrote: > > Microsoft's format.exe can zero a volume, at least in the newer (>2008) > versions: > > /p: : Zeros every sector on the volume for the number of passes > specified. E

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 22 13:15:00 2012 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:12:42 +0100 > From: Bruce Cran > To: Polytropon > Cc: Wojciech Puchar , > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, > Robert Bonomi > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesyst

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 22 09:19:24 2012 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:01 +0100 > From: Bruce Cran > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > On 22/07/2012 11:38, Robert Bonomi wr

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 22 07:22:29 2012 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:19:43 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > To: Thomas Mueller > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > > > > Let us secur

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From: Polytropon > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:14:02 +0200 > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > By the way, I remember I had a DD.EXE program on my old DOS > system. I'm not sure if such a tool could operate on devices > (instead of filesystem-based represe

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Sun Jul 22 10:03:46 2012 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:01:59 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > To: Bruce Cran > cc: Robert Bonomi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > > 'dd if=/d

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On 22/07/2012 17:14, Polytropon wrote: Furthermore, in your example using Cygnwin's dd _on_ the disk Cygnwin is currently running from, and the "Windows" it runs on too, doesn't seem like a very good idea. I assume it will result in a bluescreen soon and a _partially_ erased disk. Sorry, I forg

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Duane Hill
Personally, I've always used a product from http://www.jetico.com/. On Sunday, July 22, 2012 at 17:06:04 UTC, g...@ross.cx confabulated: > On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:08:56 +0200, Bruce Cran wrote: >> On 22/07/2012 16:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M' works under

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Michael Ross
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:08:56 +0200, Bruce Cran wrote: On 22/07/2012 16:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M' works under Cygwin - or you can just write a load of zeros to \\.\PhysicalDrive0 . who prevents you to bood live CD or pendrive with FreeBSD (or openbsd,ne

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:08:56 +0100, Bruce Cran wrote: > On 22/07/2012 16:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M' works under Cygwin - or you can > >> just write a load of zeros to \\.\PhysicalDrive0 . > > > > who prevents you to bood live CD or pendrive with FreeBSD (or

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On 22/07/2012 16:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M' works under Cygwin - or you can just write a load of zeros to \\.\PhysicalDrive0 . who prevents you to bood live CD or pendrive with FreeBSD (or openbsd,netbsd,linux,solaris,whatever usable)? Nobody - I didn't sa

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M' works under Cygwin - or you can just write a load of zeros to \\.\PhysicalDrive0 . who prevents you to bood live CD or pendrive with FreeBSD (or openbsd,netbsd,linux,solaris,whatever usable)? -- Bruce Cran ___ f

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On 22/07/2012 11:38, Robert Bonomi wrote: Needless to say, that approach doesn't work under Windows. 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M' works under Cygwin - or you can just write a load of zeros to \\.\PhysicalDrive0 . -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Let us securely erase your personal files and pictures for only $49.99. and securely copy everything interesting before. That's truly funny. Someone DO CARE about his/her data being deleted, and... lets someone else in random shop to do this. ___ fr

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:52:17 -0400 > From: "Thomas Mueller" > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > Regarding the security of various methods of deleting data, I just saw in > Office Depot's online ad for the coming week, which is the reason I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Thomas Mueller
Regarding the security of various methods of deleting data, I just saw in Office Depot's online ad for the coming week, which is the reason I couldn't post this any earlier: Need to discard an old PC but worried about protecting your identity? Let us securely erase your personal files and pictu

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Seriously though, I wish people would stop feeding this TROLL. There is absolutely no upside to it. As has been stated so eloquently many times before, "Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." so why you are continuing that thread? People

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It seems like all you know how to do is engage in ignorant, uninformed, personal attacks/insults. if you would read more carefully then you will see clearly that i am personally attacked most often. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list htt

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > Wojciech Puchar > > > > > entitled to have opinions, *BUT* the "Gospel According to > > > Wojciech" is -not- 'the answer' for everybody, in every > > > situation. *IF* you ever learn that, > > > > Seems like you have 45 years

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:18:48 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > > Indeed. > > > > But getting GELI certified and approved by the relevant > > institutions and agencies isn't that easy either. Yet witho

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jul 19 03:21:28 2012 > Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:18:43 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > > entitled to have

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Indeed. But getting GELI certified and approved by the relevant institutions and agencies isn't that easy either. Yet without no idea what are you talking about. For your own use you don't need anyones certification. You need safe solution. geli just do this. As for any government agencies a

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> regulations have been tightened further recently as to mandate >> sector-level encryption of the hard disks as well, just to be on the >> sure(rer) side. At least in certain particularly sensitive areas. > > which may be a proof that gover

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
regulations have been tightened further recently as to mandate sector-level encryption of the hard disks as well, just to be on the sure(rer) side. At least in certain particularly sensitive areas. which may be a proof that governments know backdoors alloving recovery from encrypted drives using

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > All I'm going to say is: > 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher > than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed > before leving the secure area. Speaking from experience,

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:26:57 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > agencies recover overwritten data?" at > > > > http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html > > at first - it should be asked "can agencies recover your data without > being overwritten" first. Sure, because i

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
agencies recover overwritten data?" at http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html at first - it should be asked "can agencies recover your data without being overwritten" first. just use geli(8) then second problem is even less problem. Finally use geli (or similar metho

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
How about data stored in remapped sectors, or any flash cache? how about being able to restore random 0.1% of former user data. Not really useful. Flash cache is quite recent idea, nobody serious would like to scrap such a drive instead of reuse. __

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Carmel wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:15:17 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area. no. for mo

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Bruce Cran
On 19/07/2012 09:15, Wojciech Puchar wrote: no. for modern hard drives it was already proved that dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1m is enough to make data unreadable. for very old drives it may not How about data stored in remapped sectors, or any flash cache? The Secure Erase command (htt

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Jakub Lach
odern drives could be bit overkill and just as good as random scrubs. That's still makes a robust procedure, even If overkill and dated (which isn't exactly bad thing). Thanks for replies. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread jb
Wojciech Puchar wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> writes: > ... This should clear up some confusion. Will it ? Disk Wiping One Pass Is Enough http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-wiping-one-pass-is-enough ... --- http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-wiping-one-pass-is-enough-part-2-this-time-wi th-screensh

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
can add "FreeBSD knowledge" to their CV. That statement goes beyond stupid. At some point, everyone is a You proved well enough about what "stupid" means. esp your mail "carmel...@hotmail.com" that's truly a mail address that System Admin should be proud of ;) At least you don't worry about b

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Michael Ross
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MFM_AFM_JANUSZ_REBIS_INFOCENTRE_PL_HDD_MAGNETIC_MEMORY_EVOLUTION.png -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem-tp5727015p5728126.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing l

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Carmel
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:49:50 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > > Otherwise, you may run the danger of building a wall around > > yourself. > > everyone should judge by his/her own brain which opinions are right. > > Actually in every moment i try to encourage EVERYONE to turn on > his/

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Jakub Lach
This topic went totally off, but anyway there are interesting bits, do you say that e.g. Gutmann method is totally unneeded? -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem-tp5727015p5728126.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
for very old drives it may not Would you be so kind as to point out the proof of that statement? sorry but i didn't save that article on hard drive. So no proof if you don't believe me i've actually read it. The main point is that you have - track - intra-track gap - finite precision of wr

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Carmel
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:15:17 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > > 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing > > higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= > > destroyed before leving the secure area. > > no. for modern hard drives it was al

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Otherwise, you may run the danger of building a wall around yourself. everyone should judge by his/her own brain which opinions are right. Actually in every moment i try to encourage EVERYONE to turn on his/her brain that we all have but rarely use. To be ever able to use ones brain properly

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread jb
Jerry seibercom.net> writes: > ... > I couldn't have said it better myself. Wojciech lives in his own little > world, which is fine as long as he doesn't try to visit mine. He sounds > like he works at a small Polish SMB, more commonly referred to as a > SOHO in more developed countries. I have

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
entitled to have opinions, *BUT* the "Gospel According to Wojciech" is -not- 'the answer' for everybody, in every situation. *IF* you ever learn that, Seems like you have 45 years of experience in words. nothing more. Aggression is normal today from such people, that have "good position" in so

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area. no. for modern hard drives it was already proved that dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1m is enough to make data

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
developed countries. Not really sure what you wanted to imply, as "SMB" looks like americanism to me. as well as SOHO. As not the first time, some people here when lacking arguments say "i work for larger company". "We have more servers in one place". Esp. second is nopt something to be pro

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:58:22 +0200 > From: "Julian H. Stacey" > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > Hi Robert, cc questions@ cc postmaster@ (***) > > > What I am is an information systems professional with 45 years > > experience. > &

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Jakub Lach
-offtopic- (...) > like he works at a small Polish SMB, more > commonly referred to as a SOHO in more > developed countries. Not really sure what you wanted to imply, as "SMB" looks like americanism to me. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi Robert, cc questions@ cc postmaster@ (***) > What I am is an information systems professional with 45 years experience. Interesting reading that & your prior post. 'Edge of the track, & turn up the op. amps' has been an interesting technique for decades, I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 07:47:02 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > From: Wojciech Puchar > > > > >>> Surely SpinRite is "more clever" than that, > > >> i would bet otherwise. simple tools and free tools are always > > >> better > > > > > > You continue to demonstrate that you "don't know wha

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 17 12:06:29 2012 > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:02:19 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > >> > >> >

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Surely SpinRite is "more clever" than that, i would bet otherwise. simple tools and free tools are always better You continue to demonsteate that you "don't know what you don't know". are you another sponsored by some "recovery tool" commercial producer?

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Mon Jul 16 01:17:33 2012 > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:15:13 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > To: Polytropon > Cc: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > > read attempts. In worst case, there will

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:36:07 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > >> It appears I was mistaken. > > > > Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of > > SpinRite. > > first - it is off topic. > second - because all commercial software like that are designed for > un

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Bas Smeelen
On 07/17/2012 11:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: It appears I was mistaken. Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of SpinRite. first - it is off topic. second - because all commercial software like that are designed for uneducated user, mostly try to automatically d

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It appears I was mistaken. Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of SpinRite. first - it is off topic. second - because all commercial software like that are designed for uneducated user, mostly try to automatically do everything. Which is a danger not help.

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
SpinWrong is a scam, Gibson is a fraud, and this conversation is pure marketing gibberish. maybe you exaggerate but this is what i feel in that discussion. instead of help - seemed like marketing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://l

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Chris Hill
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012, Adam Vande More wrote: SpinWrong is a scam, Gibson is a fraud, and this conversation is pure marketing gibberish. I thought most had overcome this credulity years ago. It appears I was mistaken. Care to elaborate? Most people on this list seem to speak highly of SpinRite

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Mon Jul 16 12:12:47 2012 > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:10:34 -0500 > From: Mark Felder > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:04:31 -0500, Robert Bonomi > wrote:

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Robert Bonomi
` > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:03:37 -0500 > From: Adam Vande More > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > > SpinWrong is a scam, Gibson is a fraud, and this conversation is pure > marketing gibberish. I thought most had overcome this credulity years ago. > I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Robison, Dave
On 07/16/2012 10:10, Mark Felder wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:04:31 -0500, Robert Bonomi > wrote: > >> This is *precisely* why dd is _grossly_inferior_ to professional-grade >> tools like Spinrite. > > I bet you are a big fan of homeopathic treatments too, aren't you? > ___

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Mark Felder
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:04:31 -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: This is *precisely* why dd is _grossly_inferior_ to professional-grade tools like Spinrite. I bet you are a big fan of homeopathic treatments too, aren't you? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Jerry wrote: > > > > > This is *precisely* why dd is _grossly_inferior_ to > > professional-grade tools like Spinrite. > > > > With the settings the resident "infallible expert on everything" > > <*SNORT*> recommends, dd will make _one_ attempt to read each disk

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Jerry
On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:04:31 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: > > From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 15 16:31:45 2012 > > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:29:39 +0200 (CEST) > > From: Wojciech Puchar > > To: FreeBSD > > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 fi

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-16 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 15 16:31:45 2012 > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:29:39 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > To: FreeBSD > Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? > > > totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Wojciech Puchar < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most man dd Even be

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
read attempts. In worst case, there will be "gaps" in the result. Surely SpinRite is "more clever" than that, i would bet otherwise. simple tools and free tools are always better ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.or

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 23:29:39 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to > > 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most > > man dd > > conv=sync,noerror Even though it doesn't use different algorithms, pro

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Wojciech Puchar < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to >> 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most >> > > man dd > Even better, recoverdisk /dev/da0 /dev/da1 --

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
totally in error. SpinRite will attempt to read a damage sector up to 2000 times and through different algorithms determine what is most man dd conv=sync,noerror ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:48:23 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > For example, make an 1:1 copy using dd (or ddrescue or dd_rescue) > of the disk. Work with a copy of that copy. Do not alter the disk. > Then use tools that do the job of recovery (see my list postings > about that topic, they contain a

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:51:57 -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message > > , Adam Vande More wrote: > > >On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette > >wrote: > >> > >> Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, > >> where would I find it? > >>

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:43:57 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Bruce Cran wrote: > > > On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend > >> use windoze scandisk. > > > > I'd forgotten about scandisk

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <5002b996.2000...@cran.org.uk>, Bruce Cran wrote: >On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use >> windoze scandisk. > >I'd forgotten about scandisk - for modern Windows (XP and newer) you'll >want to use chkd

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Adam Vande More wrote: >On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette >wrote: >> >> Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, >> where would I find it? >> > >/sbin/fsck_msdosfs Thank you. That sure sounds like it ought to do the trick. _

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Bruce Cran
On 15/07/2012 19:43, Wojciech Puchar wrote: both do the same 'scandisk' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailm

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
If you absolutely, positively have to recover the drive, I would recommend SpinRite 6 . Its not free; again i would recommend standard windows scandisk. such tools as "the other" utilities are usually not better. make sure you have full disk backup anyway ___

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012, Bruce Cran wrote: On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote: but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use windoze scandisk. I'd forgotten about scandisk - for modern Windows (XP and newer) you'll want to use chkdsk ( e.g. 'chkdsk /F C:' ).

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread John Levine
>Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, >where would I find it? There's fsck_msdosfs, part of the base system. Regular fsck should call it automatically if you run it on a FAT filesystem. R's, John ___ freebsd-quest

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Bruce Cran
On 15/07/2012 09:56, Wojciech Puchar wrote: but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use windoze scandisk. I'd forgotten about scandisk - for modern Windows (XP and newer) you'll want to use chkdsk ( e.g. 'chkdsk /F C:' ). -- Bruce Cran _

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:56:22 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > > Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for > > freeBSD? If so, where would I find it? > > fsck_msdosfs > > but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend > use Window's Scandisk. If y

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, where would I find it? fsck_msdosfs but, in spite of some fanatics here my get worried, i do recommend use windoze scandisk. When recovering data from FAT32 i've proven myself what is actually a better tool. unles

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > Is there any such a tool (as fsck for FAT32) available for freeBSD? If so, > where would I find it? > /sbin/fsck_msdosfs -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
I have a sizable (200GB) external USB 2.0 interface hard drive. (Actually, it's a plain old PATA drive in one of those enclosures that allows it to speak USB 2.0.) So anyway, to make this external drive work with things other than just my FreeBSD system, the drive has been formatted so that it