Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
Ruben, On 31/01/07, Ruben de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not exactly. Solaris, especially Solaris 10 is relying more and more on pseudo filesystems. # uname -srpi SunOS 5.10 sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V210 # mount | grep '^/devices' /devices on /devices read/write/setuid/devices/dev=47c on Thu Nov 2 16:14:25 2006 Everything in /dev is just a symlink to /devices. That's true BUT I can still use mknod to create a device node elsewhere and it works. I'm not complaining about devfs, just that I would be forced to use devfs on FreeBSD when IMHO mknod would suffice and used to suffice. -- Ruben Frem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:25:24AM +, Freminlins typed: Kris, On 29/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it bluntly, it's something you're just going to have to get over :-) That's unhelpful. It is, in my opinion, a bad idea to have to mount up 1400 instances of devfs just to get a few device nodes. It just doesn't seem right. It's a kludge. What I will do instread is migrate the box to Solaris where I can do what I want to do. Not exactly. Solaris, especially Solaris 10 is relying more and more on pseudo filesystems. # uname -srpi SunOS 5.10 sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V210 # mount | grep '^/devices' /devices on /devices read/write/setuid/devices/dev=47c on Thu Nov 2 16:14:25 2006 Everything in /dev is just a symlink to /devices. -- Ruben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
Kris, On 29/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it bluntly, it's something you're just going to have to get over :-) That's unhelpful. It is, in my opinion, a bad idea to have to mount up 1400 instances of devfs just to get a few device nodes. It just doesn't seem right. It's a kludge. What I will do instread is migrate the box to Solaris where I can do what I want to do. It's a poor argument to say basically that's the way it is. I have always found FreeBSD to be flexible, not restrictive. If devfs is the only way to go, why does mknod still exist? Why does it allow me to create device nodes that don't work? Kris Frem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:25:24AM +, Freminlins wrote: Kris, On 29/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To put it bluntly, it's something you're just going to have to get over :-) That's unhelpful. It is, in my opinion, a bad idea to have to mount up 1400 instances of devfs just to get a few device nodes. It just doesn't seem right. It's a kludge. What I will do instread is migrate the box to Solaris where I can do what I want to do. OK. It's a poor argument to say basically that's the way it is. I have always found FreeBSD to be flexible, not restrictive. That's the way it is is a statement of truth, not an argument. If devfs is the only way to go, why does mknod still exist? Why does it allow me to create device nodes that don't work? Compatibility with other OSes when used as an NFS server. Kris pgpnT0brPNzkz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
Kris, On 28/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I not understand this no sentence :) Sorry, I didn't read what I typed. I meant to type Was the effect of this considered at all? What reasons, other than cosmetic, do you have for not wanting to do this? Well, I am sure you would agree it is simpler to mknod for a small subset of /dev than to mount a devfs. Also, it means I have to migrate my existing set up which works perfectly as it is. It isn't just cosmetic, it really is more awkward than running mknod. I take your point that there's no technical reason not to do this, but it isn't pretty. Kris Frem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 01:07:25PM +, Freminlins wrote: Kris, On 28/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I not understand this no sentence :) Sorry, I didn't read what I typed. I meant to type Was the effect of this considered at all? Yes it was. The benefits of dynamic devices were considered to outweight the downsides of having to mount a devfs instance. What reasons, other than cosmetic, do you have for not wanting to do this? Well, I am sure you would agree it is simpler to mknod for a small subset of /dev than to mount a devfs. Also, it means I have to migrate my existing set up which works perfectly as it is. Actually I disagree. Once you write the simple devfs ruleset it is a single command to instantiate a new /dev. You don't have to worry about making each individual device node N times and possibly making a mistake. Of course you probably have a script to do this now, but that just means you need to adjust your script as part of your migration strategy. It isn't just cosmetic, it really is more awkward than running mknod. I take your point that there's no technical reason not to do this, but it isn't pretty. To put it bluntly, it's something you're just going to have to get over :-) Kris pgpnzCOgZwbcz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
Kris, On 26/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, it's the only way. Was the considered at all? There's simply no way that I would mount up 1400 devfs. It is a backward step. Kris Frem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 03:56:29PM +, Freminlins wrote: Kris, On 26/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, it's the only way. Was the considered at all? I not understand this no sentence :) There's simply no way that I would mount up 1400 devfs. It is a backward step. What reasons, other than cosmetic, do you have for not wanting to do this? Kris pgpGqiZWyLboe.pgp Description: PGP signature
mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
Hello, I have a web server still running FreeBSD 4.7 which I want to update to FreeBSD 6.2. There are quite a few sites on this machine, and each of them has a chroot containing their own /dev. In their /dev are things like null, zero, random and so on. I don't really want to set up or mount numerous devfs file systems. I tried creating the the relevent files using mknod but they don't work. What is the best way to proceed? Thanks, Frem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 04:40:24PM +, Freminlins wrote: Hello, I have a web server still running FreeBSD 4.7 which I want to update to FreeBSD 6.2. There are quite a few sites on this machine, and each of them has a chroot containing their own /dev. In their /dev are things like null, zero, random and so on. I don't really want to set up or mount numerous devfs file systems. I tried creating the the relevent files using mknod but they don't work. What is the best way to proceed? Set up and mount numerous devfs file systems ;) Really it's not hard, you just specify the devices you want with a simple devfs(8) ruleset. Kris pgpkI4ApWH4oZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
Kris, On 26/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Set up and mount numerous devfs file systems ;) That is exactly what I am trying to avoid. One of the servers has 1400 sites on it, and I really don't want 1400 devfs mounts. If the only way to do this now is by having so many devfs mounts I am better off not upgrading, and it is very arugable that FreeBSD has lost some functionality by forcing such a scheme. Really it's not hard, you just specify the devices you want with a simple devfs(8) ruleset. It's not how hard it is, it's how untidy it is. Kris Frem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mknod, devfs and FreeBSD
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:05:37PM +, Freminlins wrote: Kris, On 26/01/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Set up and mount numerous devfs file systems ;) That is exactly what I am trying to avoid. One of the servers has 1400 sites on it, and I really don't want 1400 devfs mounts. If the only way to do this now is by having so many devfs mounts I am better off not upgrading, and it is very arugable that FreeBSD has lost some functionality by forcing such a scheme. Really it's not hard, you just specify the devices you want with a simple devfs(8) ruleset. It's not how hard it is, it's how untidy it is. Sorry, it's the only way. Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
