Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce

2007-07-24 Thread George
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 09:36:53AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
 I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no
 .xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly.  I'd ideally like to have a nifty window
 manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in running
 kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a prompt
 anyway.  So howto?  I presume I just have to put some things instead of
 exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc?  

Not sure about nifty, but I think you're looking for something along the
lines of fluxbox.  It will provide virtual desktops, a way to launch
programs from a prompt, and a desktop menu in case you need it.  What
more does anyone need, right?

$ echo exec /usr/X11R6/bin/startfluxbox start  ~/.xinitrc   

Be sure to install the devel version.

 Is there a guide to this somewhere?  Do most window managers configure
 pretty easily without a desktop?  Is this a common demand?  

Your request isn't unusual but it's been perennially discussed for
longer than people care to remember.   Google is your friend, but
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_manager should get you started.
Configuration is typically done with ... wait for it ... a text editor.
;-)

 ([HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
 NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]- change
 Shell=c:\\windows\\system32\\cmd.exe from shell=explorer) 
 
 My friend got the idea for XP.  As far as we know it's a completely
 unknown XP hack.  Please credit Scott Plumlee if you share/post it.

LOL.  No offense to your friend, but that setting is well known and
applies to XP, 2000 and, IIRC, the entire Win9x line; there's also a
HKCU setting, and a group policy option that mostly works.   Google for
something like replacement shell, litestep or visit shellfront.org
to see what's available either free or commercially.  There's no reason
to default to something as braindead as cmd.exe as your shell.  

We're getting way off-topic here, but I'll add a note of caution:
replacing explorer.exe with something better as a shell is fairly
trivial and while it does work well 99.8% of the time, chances are you
will spend endless hours getting things just right.  If pursuing an
uphill-bothways goal of getting sane or Unixy behaviour from Windows is
your goal, I'd instead suggest installing Cygwin, and then hiding from
view the desktop features like icons, the taskbar, etc.  Cygwin will
provide rxvt, bash (or csh, zsh, etc.), vim, screen, ssh, and just about
anything else you'd want. 


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quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce

2007-07-23 Thread Steve Franks
I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no
.xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly.  I'd ideally like to have a nifty
window manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in
running kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a
prompt anyway.  So howto?  I presume I just have to put some things
instead of exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc?  Is there a guide to
this somewhere?  Do most window managers configure pretty easily
without a desktop?  Is this a common demand?  I did the same thing to
XP at work and it's way less annoying in my opinion
([HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]- change
Shell=c:\\windows\\system32\\cmd.exe from shell=explorer)
My friend got the idea for XP.  As far as we know it's a completely
unknown XP hack.  Please credit Scott Plumlee if you share/post it.

Thanks,
Steve
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Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce

2007-07-23 Thread Andy Harrison

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On 7/23/07, Steve Franks  wrote:

I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no
.xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly.  I'd ideally like to have a nifty
window manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in
running kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a
prompt anyway.  So howto?  I presume I just have to put some things
instead of exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc?  Is there a guide to


If you're going to try beryl/aixgl, it would probably suffice just to
put 'exec beryl-manager' in your .xinitrc file, but I'm guessing
really.  I've never run beryl without kde behind it.  Although I
*have* had kde fail to start completely/correctly and I beryl still
ran fine.

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Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce

2007-07-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 23/07/07, Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no
.xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly.  I'd ideally like to have a nifty
window manager, like one of those new 3d ones,


3d?!  My VR goggles, when I jack into the global
net, only give the illusion of three dimensions.

I suppose the bevelled edges of window decorations
will suffice for the rest of y'all.

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