Re: well, i guess it's time to ask.....
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 08:26:11AM +0700, C. Bergstr?m wrote: Gary Kline wrote: ok guys, i have been waiting for [a] a better/faster/more generally useful computer as well as =mostly= cheaper unit. i figured i would wait until fall to ask, but it's close enough. can i watch a streamed movie on am atom [[[1.6ghz intel]]] chip. (Disclaimer I work for a commercial compiler company) If you experience problems with performance of Atom I would generally not blame the processor. There are *zero* very well tuned compilers for Atom that I'm aware of. Most are content that the compiler works good enough(tm) and it's difficult (impossible) to get the low level timing data details out of Intel. Unless you're hand writing inline asm (*cough* ffmpeg) then it's certainly possible the code isn't optimized well enough. Depending on what else the processor is busy with, codec type and video size it should certainly possible to stream an average sized movie with no problem. Now can it handle Blu-ray I doubt it... i am not planning on watching a movie that is on a DVD-RW but via [say] kmplayer via video stream. and rather than the std 'movie-length' of 120 minutes, an hour or less streamed by PBS. with my 2.4ghz Dell loaded at its usual 0.25 - 0.4, and using kmplayer or vlc, the video is jerky or hangs for several seconds. i probably should get-real and use whatever notebook i buy for what i originally intended it for: as a small and usable computer than can produce understandable speech. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:38:20PM -0300, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: ok guys, i have been waiting for [a] a better/faster/more generally useful computer as well as =mostly= cheaper unit. i figured i would wait until fall to ask, but it's close enough. can i watch a streamed movie on am atom [[[1.6ghz intel]]] chip. i have trouble on my 2003 dell that has a 2.4ghz cpu. it has plenty of ram, disk, etc. so i've hesitated. on my 3.0gh thinkpad, streams fly flawlessly. So if i buy one of the notebooks with a 7 - 10 screen, can i use it for things other than a text-to-speech computer? how thrifty | cheap should i be? i'd like to buy the optical device rather than install via one of those stick memory devices. i have never used anything but the disc. i think it is at least two hundred bux more, but if it is a must, then so be it. i've looked for am atom notebook fo r 200 bux. pretty hard to find, so are there any places i can trust? i saw an A9 tablet with some kind of keyboard that might work as a speech computer. this is my real goal, leaving shit and shinola behind. but i'm not sure that a tablet would be as useful as a notebook. RESt of the story: i'm using the kde ktt* along with the festival speech toolkit. i also have vi/nvi or vim set up with around 125 abbrv so that people who type slowly can be more efficient. Way OT .. but it just hit me that some folks could benefit from that vim set up with around 125 abbrv if you posted somewhere ;) sure thing! i can put it up onmy bsd.thought.org page---if i still have that site. the backstory is pretty short. years before i tore up my shoulder, typing wasn't exactly =easy= so i used the 'abbrev' functionality of the original vi and added ~130 or so of the most freq english words [ plus computer-geek jargon ]. the stats showed that the average person could save about 31% of his time if he memorized this list. 130-150 words was the drop-off point. i.e., memorizing 160 abbreviations might save 31.9% or whatever it was. i gave up on this project after an almost-new SCSI drive crashed (nov, '99). my tape backup overwrote itself. my BAD. And so it goes... gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:16:51PM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote: On 8/18/2010 8:10 PM, Gary Kline wrote: 've hesitated. on my 3.0gh thinkpad, streams fly flawlessly. So if i buy one of the notebooks with a Stream what kind of movies? Some video players (like VLC) have hardware acceleration that will help a lot if your video card/driver supports it. Things like Flash based movies might be kind of iffy though since they can't take advantage of the video hardware [?]. Once you start moving up to high def video you might have some problems, but know a lot of Home Theater guys that use Atoms for media centers: http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=103 hm and hm. do you have any idea if linux/ubuntu may have done this? i've got ubuntu 8.04 on my 'G41 Thinkpad' and it handles whatever i stream pretty well. even if i click fr 'full screen' size. My gfs Atom 330 plays videos in VLC fine and flash fine, but full screen flash drops frames. This is under WinXP. The new D510 CPU are faster in benchmarks; it has dual cores with hyperthreading. If you wait a few months, the new D525 CPUs should be out in consumer computers - these are 1.8Ghz (instead of 1.6Ghz) and support DDR3 (instead of DDR2). That might help a bit. Both are limited to 4 gigs. you are going way over my head in talking brand name terminology, :) now i'm back to my original quandry of: do i want to hide in my room and watch streaming video or built a tts device. it's like: Well, if i =wait= [just a bit longer] ... :-D So, I would bet that 90% of the time it'll be enough if you have a good video card with good drivers. I'm not an expert on them though, I think they are neat though. i had no clue that there were flash movies until your note; but it points u p the value of having a good driver. Another options would be to go with an i3/i5 or get a used 775 (core 2) system. My Core2Duo 2.2Ghz runs more than fast enough and can probably get them for cheap if you buy them used. need to have a small screen and low weight, pref. but yeah, it's an option. thanks much for the datapoints. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:54:53AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: i am not planning on watching a movie that is on a DVD-RW but via [say] kmplayer via video stream. and rather than the std 'movie-length' of 120 minutes, an hour or less streamed by PBS. with my 2.4ghz Dell loaded at its usual 0.25 - 0.4, and using kmplayer or vlc, the video is jerky or hangs for several seconds. A 2.4 GHz machine with a decent grahics card should have no problem with displaying full screen video, if you are using the XVideo extension. For mplayer try '-vo xv' on the mplayer command line, or put 'vo=xv' in ~/.mplayer/config. For VLC choose tools-preferences, and in the dialog window check Accelerated video output in the Video tab. It sounds more like a network issue. (you can confirm that if you can play files from a local disk without hiccups) Maybe increasing the buffering might help. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpnjV89yAmAF.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 09:01:56PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: On Wed 18 Aug 2010 at 20:16:51 PDT Depo Catcher wrote: On 8/18/2010 8:10 PM, Gary Kline wrote: 've hesitated. on my 3.0gh thinkpad, streams fly flawlessly. So if i buy one of the notebooks with a Stream what kind of movies? Some video players (like VLC) have hardware acceleration that will help a lot if your video card/driver supports it. Things like Flash based movies might be kind of iffy though since they can't take advantage of the video hardware [?]. Once you start moving up to high def video you might have some problems, but know a lot of Home Theater guys that use Atoms for media centers: http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=103 My gfs Atom 330 plays videos in VLC fine and flash fine, but full screen flash drops frames. This is under WinXP. The new D510 CPU are faster in benchmarks; it has dual cores with hyperthreading. But be aware that the Xorg intel driver in the current portstree does NOT support the graphics controller built into the D510 and other Pineview Atoms. The vesa driver works, but doesn't take advantage of AGP or other graphics niftiness. I have one of these myself, and can confirm that downloaded videos play acceptably well, despite using vesa. I can't speak to streaming video performance, however, since I don't use Flash and usually don't watch online videos. I've seen reviews of the D510 that say HD video performance is sub-par even on operating systems with drivers that fully support the graphics controller. If you wait a few months, the new D525 CPUs should be out in consumer computers - these are 1.8Ghz (instead of 1.6Ghz) and support DDR3 (instead of DDR2). That might help a bit. Both are limited to 4 gigs. So, I would bet that 90% of the time it'll be enough if you have a good video card with good drivers. I'm not an expert on them though, I think they are neat though. There are Atom-based systems available with Nvidia graphics. Gary might want to consider one of those, although it probably won't be as dirt cheap or as low-wattage as a Pineview system. (I have no experience with them myself.) jeez, and to think i was a =hardware= major. hm. is there a website than can explain the pros/cons? a friend is helping me move from 5 tower cases to two. money is always a concern, but saving watts is more important. gary ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:05:47PM +0200, Roland Smith wrote: On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:54:53AM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: i am not planning on watching a movie that is on a DVD-RW but via [say] kmplayer via video stream. and rather than the std 'movie-length' of 120 minutes, an hour or less streamed by PBS. with my 2.4ghz Dell loaded at its usual 0.25 - 0.4, and using kmplayer or vlc, the video is jerky or hangs for several seconds. A 2.4 GHz machine with a decent grahics card should have no problem with displaying full screen video, if you are using the XVideo extension. For mplayer try '-vo xv' on the mplayer command line, or put 'vo=xv' in ~/.mplayer/config. For VLC choose tools-preferences, and in the dialog window check Accelerated video output in the Video tab. It sounds more like a network issue. (you can confirm that if you can play files from a local disk without hiccups) Maybe increasing the buffering might help. i actually do have some discs that i BOUGHT. they are by the late scholar, Joseph Campbell who taught literature at Sarah Lawrence or wehatever and became a mythologist. I think I have every one of his books, most of his lectures, and the four dvd's of his 13-hour broadcast. they play flawlessly, so it it may be hanging on the network side. how can i increase the buffering? say using kmplayer or vlc? i've poked around here and there but do not see anyplace to tune the buffering. meanwhile, i will try the 'accelerated video output' with vlc. thanks! gary Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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There are Atom-based systems available with Nvidia graphics. Gary might want to consider one of those, although it probably won't be as dirt cheap or as low-wattage as a Pineview system. (I have no experience with them myself.) jeez, and to think i was a =hardware= major. hm. is there a website than can explain the pros/cons? a friend is helping me move from 5 tower cases to two. money is always a concern, but saving watts is more important. gary Money wise for Motherboard, memory and CPU the Atom or 775 (Core 2 Duo) will probably be cheapest. Then i3 and most expensive is i5. AMD also have options that would probably be cheaper, but I'm not familiar with their product line. I would set your budget of $X and then compare the best system in each class you can get for that price. Power wise; if it's idle, the Atom and i3/i5 should be about the same. With 775 (core 2 duo) probably drawing the most. In fact, in some cases the i3/i5 might draw less power at idle: http://www.servethehome.com/intel-core-i5-650-v-atom-n330-nvida-ion-review/ The other thing to concern is when it's under load, the Atom will be the clear winner here. The i3/i5/c2d can and will draw a good amount under load. Atom doesn't go up much under heavy load, the other systems can skyrocket in power usage when hit hard. The other thing you have to concern is how many devices you'll have hooked up to this. If you need an external video card it's going to be drawing more power... as with external NICs, sata, sound, etc In general I would suggest picking up a board that has most of what you need and nothing of what you don't. For example, I don't use sound on my home server, so I always buy a board without integrated sound. Also the Atom, i3 and i5 all have integrated video in their CPUs. That might save some power if you find one that supports that (and not an embedded integrated video) Performance wise, i3/i5 is winner then 775 and last atom. This thread has some links to some reviews: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1538918 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 05:24:39PM -0500, Depo Catcher wrote: Money wise for Motherboard, memory and CPU the Atom or 775 (Core 2 Duo) will probably be cheapest. Then i3 and most expensive is i5. AMD also have options that would probably be cheaper, but I'm not familiar with their product line. I would set your budget of $X and then compare the best system in each class you can get for that price. Power wise; if it's idle, the Atom and i3/i5 should be about the same. With 775 (core 2 duo) probably drawing the most. In fact, in some cases the i3/i5 might draw less power at idle: http://www.servethehome.com/intel-core-i5-650-v-atom-n330-nvida-ion-review/ thanks for the url; i'll check it out when i'm using a GUI MUA. it looks like i wanted too much out of my next laptop. looks like i'll need to wait a few more years to get what i really want: 1st) as a small-footprint computer to use for the speech impaired, and 2nd) to let me hide [wherever] and stream NOVA or *whatever* far from the noise and distraction. i have had the first goal in mind for five years or so. my hearing is fine but my speech is impaired, so with kmouth, ksayit or ktts* and vi, then using the festival suite, i can type what i want to say and have the computer speak my words clearly. ---yes, it takes some messing-with to have the voices sound good. in recent months i ran my ideas past a second speech pathologist. she trotted out an off-the-shelf Windows device that has pre-programmed sentences -or- use the touch-screen keyboard to spell out whatever. touching a last square lets the computer speak. the cost of this dos/win device is $9,000 to $12,000. the box is heavy, the screen is brightly lit. my bias was against the touch touch screen. there was a beep you could turn on if you needed to, and giving my crummy typing, i did. the feedback for my free idea was that most people are not computer savvy and would need support. so i gave up on going the medical route and got in touch with the laptop for children. i learned that the number of people that my hodge-podge could help is well into the millions. that's the only reason i'm still at it. my thinking is that people who can type even with one finger can make use of the festival+kde software. either exactly as-is or with some trivial script(s). The other thing to concern is when it's under load, the Atom will be the clear winner here. The i3/i5/c2d can and will draw a good amount under load. Atom doesn't go up much under heavy load, the other systems can skyrocket in power usage when hit hard. sounds like the atom processor is the way to go. --at least when i'm out i would prefer to not have to hunt for a wall socket:) The other thing you have to concern is how many devices you'll have hooked up to this. If you need an external video card it's going to be drawing more power... as with external NICs, sata, sound, etc In general I would suggest picking up a board that has most of what you need and nothing of what you don't. For example, I don't use sound on my home server, so I always buy a board without integrated sound. Also the Atom, i3 and i5 all have integrated video in their CPUs. That might save some power if you find one that supports that (and not an embedded integrated video) i never thought about hooking anything to the kind of computer i'm thinking of. this is where less is more. they had one of these 10 notebooks at costco last spring but it was locked down by cable and i had to get up from my wheelchair to check it out. the keys had a nice feel--maybe 2 to 4mm before the key hit bottom. the sound was off so i couldn't get an idea if the speakers would be loud enough to be heard if i went shopping and had a question for someone. volume was =not= an issue for the windows speech device! i think that could have been upped to hear from 50 meters. --i may have to just shut up and pony up the $Whatever before going much further. meanwhile, thanks again for your insights and url's. before school starts and the day swings back into starting during the middle of the night. ---can you spell GAK---, in other words, while i still have time and energy, maybe the best plan is just Do-It. Performance wise, i3/i5 is winner then 775 and last atom. This thread has some links to some reviews: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1538918 -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php
well, i guess it's time to ask.....
ok guys, i have been waiting for [a] a better/faster/more generally useful computer as well as =mostly= cheaper unit. i figured i would wait until fall to ask, but it's close enough. can i watch a streamed movie on am atom [[[1.6ghz intel]]] chip. i have trouble on my 2003 dell that has a 2.4ghz cpu. it has plenty of ram, disk, etc. so i've hesitated. on my 3.0gh thinkpad, streams fly flawlessly. So if i buy one of the notebooks with a 7 - 10 screen, can i use it for things other than a text-to-speech computer? how thrifty | cheap should i be? i'd like to buy the optical device rather than install via one of those stick memory devices. i have never used anything but the disc. i think it is at least two hundred bux more, but if it is a must, then so be it. i've looked for am atom notebook fo r 200 bux. pretty hard to find, so are there any places i can trust? i saw an A9 tablet with some kind of keyboard that might work as a speech computer. this is my real goal, leaving shit and shinola behind. but i'm not sure that a tablet would be as useful as a notebook. RESt of the story: i'm using the kde ktt* along with the festival speech toolkit. i also have vi/nvi or vim set up with around 125 abbrv so that people who type slowly can be more efficient. gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Gary Kline wrote: ok guys, i have been waiting for [a] a better/faster/more generally useful computer as well as =mostly= cheaper unit. i figured i would wait until fall to ask, but it's close enough. can i watch a streamed movie on am atom [[[1.6ghz intel]]] chip. (Disclaimer I work for a commercial compiler company) If you experience problems with performance of Atom I would generally not blame the processor. There are *zero* very well tuned compilers for Atom that I'm aware of. Most are content that the compiler works good enough(tm) and it's difficult (impossible) to get the low level timing data details out of Intel. Unless you're hand writing inline asm (*cough* ffmpeg) then it's certainly possible the code isn't optimized well enough. Depending on what else the processor is busy with, codec type and video size it should certainly possible to stream an average sized movie with no problem. Now can it handle Blu-ray I doubt it... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Gary Kline wrote: ok guys, i have been waiting for [a] a better/faster/more generally useful computer as well as =mostly= cheaper unit. i figured i would wait until fall to ask, but it's close enough. can i watch a streamed movie on am atom [[[1.6ghz intel]]] chip. i have trouble on my 2003 dell that has a 2.4ghz cpu. One other quick note.. it's likely that the graphics will make a bigger impact in movie performance than the host processor. (Look at the examples of how efficient Tegra2 is at decoding videos..) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: ok guys, i have been waiting for [a] a better/faster/more generally useful computer as well as =mostly= cheaper unit. i figured i would wait until fall to ask, but it's close enough. can i watch a streamed movie on am atom [[[1.6ghz intel]]] chip. i have trouble on my 2003 dell that has a 2.4ghz cpu. it has plenty of ram, disk, etc. so i've hesitated. on my 3.0gh thinkpad, streams fly flawlessly. So if i buy one of the notebooks with a 7 - 10 screen, can i use it for things other than a text-to-speech computer? how thrifty | cheap should i be? i'd like to buy the optical device rather than install via one of those stick memory devices. i have never used anything but the disc. i think it is at least two hundred bux more, but if it is a must, then so be it. i've looked for am atom notebook fo r 200 bux. pretty hard to find, so are there any places i can trust? i saw an A9 tablet with some kind of keyboard that might work as a speech computer. this is my real goal, leaving shit and shinola behind. but i'm not sure that a tablet would be as useful as a notebook. RESt of the story: i'm using the kde ktt* along with the festival speech toolkit. i also have vi/nvi or vim set up with around 125 abbrv so that people who type slowly can be more efficient. Way OT .. but it just hit me that some folks could benefit from that vim set up with around 125 abbrv if you posted somewhere ;) gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 8/18/2010 8:10 PM, Gary Kline wrote: 've hesitated. on my 3.0gh thinkpad, streams fly flawlessly. So if i buy one of the notebooks with a Stream what kind of movies? Some video players (like VLC) have hardware acceleration that will help a lot if your video card/driver supports it. Things like Flash based movies might be kind of iffy though since they can't take advantage of the video hardware [?]. Once you start moving up to high def video you might have some problems, but know a lot of Home Theater guys that use Atoms for media centers: http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=103 My gfs Atom 330 plays videos in VLC fine and flash fine, but full screen flash drops frames. This is under WinXP. The new D510 CPU are faster in benchmarks; it has dual cores with hyperthreading. If you wait a few months, the new D525 CPUs should be out in consumer computers - these are 1.8Ghz (instead of 1.6Ghz) and support DDR3 (instead of DDR2). That might help a bit. Both are limited to 4 gigs. So, I would bet that 90% of the time it'll be enough if you have a good video card with good drivers. I'm not an expert on them though, I think they are neat though. Another options would be to go with an i3/i5 or get a used 775 (core 2) system. My Core2Duo 2.2Ghz runs more than fast enough and can probably get them for cheap if you buy them used. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed 18 Aug 2010 at 20:16:51 PDT Depo Catcher wrote: On 8/18/2010 8:10 PM, Gary Kline wrote: 've hesitated. on my 3.0gh thinkpad, streams fly flawlessly. So if i buy one of the notebooks with a Stream what kind of movies? Some video players (like VLC) have hardware acceleration that will help a lot if your video card/driver supports it. Things like Flash based movies might be kind of iffy though since they can't take advantage of the video hardware [?]. Once you start moving up to high def video you might have some problems, but know a lot of Home Theater guys that use Atoms for media centers: http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=103 My gfs Atom 330 plays videos in VLC fine and flash fine, but full screen flash drops frames. This is under WinXP. The new D510 CPU are faster in benchmarks; it has dual cores with hyperthreading. But be aware that the Xorg intel driver in the current portstree does NOT support the graphics controller built into the D510 and other Pineview Atoms. The vesa driver works, but doesn't take advantage of AGP or other graphics niftiness. I have one of these myself, and can confirm that downloaded videos play acceptably well, despite using vesa. I can't speak to streaming video performance, however, since I don't use Flash and usually don't watch online videos. I've seen reviews of the D510 that say HD video performance is sub-par even on operating systems with drivers that fully support the graphics controller. If you wait a few months, the new D525 CPUs should be out in consumer computers - these are 1.8Ghz (instead of 1.6Ghz) and support DDR3 (instead of DDR2). That might help a bit. Both are limited to 4 gigs. So, I would bet that 90% of the time it'll be enough if you have a good video card with good drivers. I'm not an expert on them though, I think they are neat though. There are Atom-based systems available with Nvidia graphics. Gary might want to consider one of those, although it probably won't be as dirt cheap or as low-wattage as a Pineview system. (I have no experience with them myself.) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
