Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Joe Gain
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Yes, Clang in general produces slower binaries than gcc.  Is that in dispute or something?  Or is this just repetition in case we didn't hear you the first time? just yesterday i've heard lots of otherwise

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Vande More
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Yes, Clang in general produces slower binaries than gcc. Is that in dispute or something? Or is this just repetition in case we didn't hear you the first time? just yesterday i've heard lots of

Problem with freebsd-update

2012-06-20 Thread Doug Hardie
I tried to update an amd64 FreeBSD 9.0 p0 system via freebsd-update tonight. It fetched everything fine. However, the install just hung after about 10 minutes. The 2 sh processes are basically doing nothing. Not consuming any processor time and not doing any I/O. I killed it and tried

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Does GPLv3 does force programs you compile with gcc to be GPLed? As far as I know, the main difference is that the GPLv3 is often called a viral license. Software linking against v3 libraries and so maybe

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Here[1] we can read a program linking agains a gpl v3 library should be released under the gplv3 too. However, the only concern would be when the program is implicitly linked against libgcc right? Well, there's even an exception[2] for this. this is exactly how i understand that. Anyway

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
long term goals. Eliminating, or at least not being dependent on a GNU toolchain. GPL v3 brings with it a whole host problems such as: As you already know i don't like GPL very much. As i already said for me GNU is computer communism. But like or not like, i don't prefer my likeness above

Re: freebsd-update install question

2012-06-20 Thread Leslie Jensen
Dale Scott skrev 2012-06-14 14:59: Should I install the libc souces? I had this error when upgrading 8.x (8.1 to 8.2?), and solved it by creating the directory only (actual sources not required). I recall someone had posted this solution to the list at the time. Regards, Dale

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Vande More
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: OK? Can you just answer that simple question clearly? Yes Wojciech, I can attempt an answer for you. Pay attention, this gets very complex. The decision to move to Clang was motivated by what is best for

seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
i have samba server and few virtualbox sessions using vboxnet which is started by /usr/local/etc/rc.d/vboxheadless i want samba to be started AFTER vboxheadless as the latter configures vboxnet0 automatically when started, and samba do bind to vboxnet0. so i appended vboxheadless to REQUIRE:

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Yes Wojciech, I can attempt an answer for you.  Pay attention, this gets very complex. The decision to move to Clang was motivated by what is best for the project, and not what is best for Wojciech. still not stopped personal attacks (last part of last sentence) but lets forget. So please

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
Wojciech Puchar wrote: Here[1] we can read a program linking agains a gpl v3 library should be released under the gplv3 too. However, the only concern would be when the program is implicitly linked against libgcc right? Well, there's even an exception[2] for this. this is exactly how i

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Fred Morcos
The answer is: 1. gcc will still be available through the ports system. 2. The move to clang/llvm as a default compiler will reduce the amount of GPL code in the base system, eventually reducing distribution issues (especially for 3rd parties). 3. clang/llvm provides better error and warning

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 20/06/2012 09:24, Wojciech Puchar wrote: i have samba server and few virtualbox sessions using vboxnet which is started by /usr/local/etc/rc.d/vboxheadless i want samba to be started AFTER vboxheadless as the latter configures vboxnet0 automatically when started, and samba do bind to

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following contents: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary. thank you for help. I

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The bad thing about GPLv3 is that if anyone commits any code under this license into the tree vendors that use our code base for making their own OSes will ditch FreeBSD as they can be sued by FSF. Juniper for example. It would be wise to listen to their point of view on GPLv3. not really

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
1. gcc will still be available through the ports system. As well as clang is available in ports. not an argument. 2. The move to clang/llvm as a default compiler will reduce the amount of GPL code in the base system, eventually reducing distribution issues (especially for 3rd parties).

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 20/06/2012 09:51, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following contents: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
Wojciech Puchar wrote: The bad thing about GPLv3 is that if anyone commits any code under this license into the tree vendors that use our code base for making their own OSes will ditch FreeBSD as they can be sued by FSF. Juniper for example. It would be wise to listen to their point of view on

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following contents: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba

packet filter problem on transparent firewall using bridge and pf

2012-06-20 Thread ProAce
I have some trouble with pf on freebsd bridge. Network topology: ( untrust ) -- { em0 , bridge0 , em1 } -- ( trust ) Bridge Network: 10.1.1.0/24 bridge0 IP: 10.1.1.1 ( freebsd's ip ) default gw: 10.1.1.254 ( in untrust area ) server: 10.1.1.101 ~ 200 ( in trust area ) pf.conf on freebsd

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
Wojciech Puchar wrote: 5. clang/llvm is more modular than gcc, although there are plans for gcc to become as modular, it will take time. Doesn't matter how it is written, but how it performs. That's a hard one. I remember an error in gcc loop optimizer which makes gcc produce SSE2 opcodes

where's ppmtoxpm

2012-06-20 Thread David Tilbrook
I have searched for ppmtoxpm in ports and in FreeBSD Search Services to no avail. ppmtoxpm converts a portable pixmap into an X11 pixmap. Is there a freebsd equivalent or alternative? -- david ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
#!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary. thank you for help. I will test it when being on place and could reboot. But still - do you know why it

Re: where's ppmtoxpm

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I have searched for ppmtoxpm in ports and in FreeBSD Search Services to no avail. ppmtoxpm converts a portable pixmap into an X11 pixmap. Is there a freebsd equivalent or alternative? No equivalent just the same netpbm package /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
And why you think it's not better then gcc? because - as you already should know - test shows otherwise. As well as FreeBSD running predictable with gcc anyway. Still theory and ideology. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Robert Bonomi
[ Semi-apologies to all for being blunt, and possibly somewhat offensive. ] [ More tactful approaches have been shown to be ineffective, and Wojceich ] [ has a demonstrated propensity to blather on as though he knows more ] [ about everything than anyone else.

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 20 03:51:43 2012 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:51:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: seems i cannot fully understand

MSI-X limitation in freebsd 8.2

2012-06-20 Thread Venkat Duvvuru
Hi, MSI-x supports upto 2048 vectors but what I see in freebsd 8.2 is that when I use more than ~30 vectors, system becomes dead slow. Is there a limitation on number of msi vectors that can be used in 8.2? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Stephen Cook
On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: BSDL in opposite is often criticized a rape me license. No, it is not, except perhaps by lying atheist Marxist bastards and his religious adherents. Please don't use atheist as a derogatory term. There are plenty of capitalistic

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Fred Morcos
I am also a newcomer and I agree with Stephen. But I guess the only way is to simply ignore those who make such statements. I don't see much benefit in arguing or reasoning with them. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Cook scli...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:04:47 +0200 Fred Morcos articulated: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Cook scli...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: BSDL in opposite is often criticized a rape me license. No, it is not, except perhaps by lying

X broken - top quarter of the screen not updated by *some* programs - EXA/XAA issue?

2012-06-20 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
Hi This is on HP Compaq 6715s laptop, amd64, r236740M. At some point (prior to the recent png- triggered update) I started seeing this strainge behaviour: The top part of the screen, about 1/4, is not updated by some windows, and the exact behaviour is affected by Option AccelMethod. For

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Jakub Lach
Really, this format of discussion is rather exception than rule (from my experience). Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD mailing list at all. -- View this message in context:

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this flame-y? I no. it is temporary. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread RW
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:45:07 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary. Why? None of the dummy scripts in the

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would seem to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness of FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six or more strange but usefulness of FreeBSD wasn't questioned. By the way Fred, please don't

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
But still - do you know why it is necessary? An explanation written some 80 years ago; 'Because that way it will work'. if you don't have anything to say - just don't do it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
still not stopped personal attacks (last part of last sentence) but lets forget. Fact; that was NOT a personal attack. Your entire line of reasoning so far has been about -your- preferences, and things as you see them, for _your_ What is specifically my preference? 1) Your opinion about

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:47:29 +0100 RW articulated: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:45:07 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the ':'

Need latest xorg

2012-06-20 Thread Lynn Steven Killingsworth
Hi FreeBSD - I have an AMD HD 7950 video card so I am trying to install the latest FreeBSD xorg available (7.5.2) for an updated driver. When I start make the install immediately stops at MesaLib-7.6.1.tar.gz. I can restart it on a primary using the location given then after a short

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Really, this format of discussion is rather exception than rule (from my experience). or rather - discussion is a rule :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Peter Ulrich Kruppa
On 20.06.2012 13:45, Jakub Lach wrote: Really, this format of discussion is rather exception than rule (from my experience). Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD mailing list at all. Actually I can't remember any flame-war about

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Volodymyr Kostyrko
Wojciech Puchar wrote: And why you think it's not better then gcc? because - as you already should know - test shows otherwise. Test show only that clang-compiled binaries are still subject for improvement. It doesn't show how strict and clear this binary is. As well as FreeBSD running

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:48:15 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would seem to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness of FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six or more

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
speed estimates. there are a difference between speed estimate and actual speed - and i talk about the latter only. Besides, NetBSD and OpenBSD has already selected and using pcc now. And they are fine with that one. their problem. ___

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD mailing list at all. Actually I can't remember any flame-war about system compilers - this is the first one. because such situation like now never happened - changing C compiler to much worse

Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

2012-06-20 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Wednesday 20 June 2012 12:59:51 Stephen Cook wrote: On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: [snip childish invective] I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this flame-y? I realize that this particular post might be trolling / satire No, they

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/20/12 11:09 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 20/06/2012 09:51, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following contents: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE:

New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-20 Thread Fred Morcos
Hello all, I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different

Re: Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

2012-06-20 Thread Fred Morcos
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan McKeown j.mcke...@ru.ac.za wrote: On Wednesday 20 June 2012 12:59:51 Stephen Cook wrote: On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: [snip childish invective] I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this flame-y?

Re: where's ppmtoxpm

2012-06-20 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, David Tilbrook wrote: I have searched for ppmtoxpm in ports and in FreeBSD Search Services to no avail. ppmtoxpm converts a portable pixmap into an X11 pixmap. Is there a freebsd equivalent or alternative? In the ports, graphics/netpbm.

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Mark Felder
Wojciech, Why not make FreeBSD better for everyone by cooperating with the CLANG project? 1. Find simple programs with severe performance issues 2. Report to the CLANG developers 3. They fix, tweak, and tune the compiler 4. FreeBSD imports latest release 5. Everybody wins

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Polytropon wrote: I assume it's just an aspect of still being too young in regards of missing the difference between freedom and anarchy: the right to extend one's freedom is limited as soon as it limits the freedom of others. Maybe another aspect is the lack of discussion culture and the

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-20 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Wednesday 20 June 2012 19:32:24 Fred Morcos wrote: I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
They could be reduced by a combo. of eg: - forcible unsub, black list, - block of anon. remailer domains - making this list subscribtion required before posting. (which would make it harder for newbies fresh to FreeBSD, but we need some

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Reid Linnemann
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD mailing list at all. Actually I can't remember any flame-war about system compilers - this is the first

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different emails?

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
it is only a proof that it was decided to put it as FreeBSD default compiler. Everything is said, explained and discusse why this decision is made.. So Explanation about the decision was already made isn't explanation. but i don't require any explanation. actually i don't require anything.

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Why not make FreeBSD better for everyone by cooperating with the CLANG project? because we already have great compiler - GCC. In spite of using GPL licence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:14:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: And why you think it's not better then gcc? because - as you already should know - test shows otherwise. You just ignored everything Volodymyr Kostyrko said about the other factors that are also important for a compiler being

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 02:16:43PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: speed estimates. there are a difference between speed estimate and actual speed - and i talk about the latter only. You're talking about poorly managed benchmarks that are imprecise and prone to fluctuation, applying only to

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Besides, NetBSD and OpenBSD has already selected and using pcc now. And they are fine with that one. I wish that or something like that were true, but pcc is dead even in OpenBSD packages/ports. There was just some discussion on misc@ I am hoping for the day gcc is only used on Linux and

Re: Attaching a monitor via vga

2012-06-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 07:27:33AM -0600, Warren Block wrote: Adding a new mode should not be needed for most monitors. I do this to set up the external video: xrandr --output VGA --above LVDS That's to span a single desktop over both monitors. Some desktop environments have their

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-20 Thread Walter Hurry
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:32:24 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: Hello all, I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Vande More
These are good guidelines to follow: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/article.html Try to avoid X Y problems. Initiating it with the root question will give the best results. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Fred Morcos fred.mor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most impressed with it so far. rather huge difference. Secondly (and probably stating the obvious), the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is the place I always look first. and third - manuals.

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I wish that or something like that were true, but pcc is dead even in OpenBSD packages/ports. There was just some discussion on misc@ I am hoping for the day gcc is only used on Linux and many free compilers are used everywhere else. me too. but first we need to have Free compiler that would be

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Will i be able to compile FreeBSD base system with gcc after some time? not sure. Why is that so important for you? -- chs, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own this and even you cannot use it in closed source software?

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Will i be able to compile FreeBSD base system with gcc after some time? not sure. Why is that so important for you? if you would read even less than carefully the topic you will get the answer. ___

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Will i be able to compile FreeBSD base system with gcc after some time? not sure. Why is that so important for you? if you would read even less than carefully the

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

2012-06-20 Thread Robert Bonomi
From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl But still - do you know why it is necessary? An explanation written some 80 years ago; 'Because that way it will work'. if you don't have anything to say - just don't do it. practice what you preach.

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:31 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own this and

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:06:31PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own this and even

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:07:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: email elided for purposes of courtesy wrote: Will i be able to compile FreeBSD base system with gcc after some time? not sure. Why is that so important for you? if you would read even less than carefully the topic you will get

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 08:40:56PM +0400, Евгений Лактанов wrote: 20.06.2012 18:47, Mark Felder пишет: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:43:14 -0500, Wojciech Puchar email address elided for purposes of courtesy wrote: [attribution lost by Wojciech Puchar and I'm too lazy to check] Why not make

Fwd: Need latest xorg

2012-06-20 Thread Lynn Steven Killingsworth
I don't seem to have generated much comment. I suspect you are thinking as I do that if your servers don't immediately download then their is a bandit on my Internet line?? --- Forwarded message --- From: Lynn Steven Killingsworth blue.seahorse.syndic...@gmail.com To:

Re: Need latest xorg

2012-06-20 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Lynn Steven Killingsworth blue.seahorse.syndic...@gmail.com wrote: I don't seem to have generated much comment. I suspect you are thinking as I do that if your servers don't immediately download then their is a bandit on my Internet line?? Newer AMD

No sound in Flash

2012-06-20 Thread Walter Hurry
FreeBSD 9 (x86_64). Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have googled assiduously and found nothing useful. I have installed Flash, following the instructions in the handbook. It works well, and the video element seems fine and smooth. But on (for example) YouTube, there is no audio at all. This is

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own this and even you cannot use it in closed source software? Releasing something as GPL does not mean you give up copyright. If I understood this whole thing correctly, I'm not a lawyer but i repeat what i've read time ago,

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own this and even you cannot use it in closed source software? When you license something, you still own the copyright. You can then release it under other licenses as well, and for versions you have modified you can release

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Евгений Лактанов
21.06.2012 01:14, Chad Perrin пишет: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 08:40:56PM +0400, Евгений Лактанов wrote: 20.06.2012 18:47, Mark Felder пишет: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:43:14 -0500, Wojciech Puchar email address elided for purposes of courtesy wrote: [attribution lost by Wojciech Puchar and I'm too

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:57:17 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: from what i know (still, possibly incorrent) if i am hired as a programmer and write a program, this program belong to the company and i couldn't use it everywhere at least officially. That is highly debatable and mostly

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You i don't talk that case, but if i am hired to write some part of program as an employer in software company. So - if authors of any project, no matter how numerous, will all without exception agree that they want to get rid of GPL,

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
the answer. I'll try to help out, here. Christer Solskogen: I think the reason that is so very important to Wojciech Puchar is the fact that he is incapable of imagining: 1. other concerns that might apply 2. that things appear highly likely to change 3. that a negligible performance

Re: No sound in Flash

2012-06-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
FreeBSD 9 (x86_64). Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have googled assiduously and found nothing useful. I have installed Flash, following the instructions in the handbook. Flash is adobe product and they don't provide binaries for FreeBSD, at least they didn't. if you really need flash, you may

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:25:22 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You i don't talk that case, but if i am hired to write some part of program as an employer in software company. Sorry, I misread the situation. In this case I assume that

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-20 Thread Евгений Лактанов
21.06.2012 02:26, Wojciech Puchar пишет: the answer. I'll try to help out, here. Christer Solskogen: I think the reason that is so very important to Wojciech Puchar is the fact that he is incapable of imagining: 1. other concerns that might apply 2. that things appear highly likely to

No sound in my FreeBSD 9

2012-06-20 Thread sw2wolf
$uname -a FreeBSD mybsd.zsoft.com 9.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Jan 3 07:15:25 UTC 2012 r...@obrian.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 $sudo sysctl -w hw.snd.verbose=2 $cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm: 32bit 2009061500/i386) Installed devices: pcm0:

Re: No sound in my FreeBSD 9

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Vande More
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM, sw2wolf czsq...@163.com wrote: pci1: multimedia, audio at device 0.0 (no driver attached) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html -- Adam Vande More ___

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi Polytropon, cc questions@ (No CC Wojciech P. as my local filters drop text from him ) To translate this to a programmer's job: You're being paid to write a program for a customer. You deliver the program. That's what you are paid for. Still the source code is yours (as _you_ are the

OT: Robotics or embedded or hardware programming... what is this called?

2012-06-20 Thread Modulok
List, Sorry for the off-topic post. There are a lot of technically adept people on this list, so I thought I'd try my luck here: I want to get started programming for hardware. Motors, sensors, actuators, etc. I have a programming background, (python, PHP, C++) but no experience with code that

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-20 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 20 17:37:45 2012 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:33:35 +0200 From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de.r-bonomi.com To: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Antonio Olivares

Re: No sound in Flash

2012-06-20 Thread Walter Hurry
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:31:02 +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: FreeBSD 9 (x86_64). Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have googled assiduously and found nothing useful. I have installed Flash, following the instructions in the handbook. Flash is adobe product and they don't provide binaries for

Re: OT: Robotics or embedded or hardware programming... what is this called?

2012-06-20 Thread Edward M
On 06/20/2012 06:54 PM, Modulok wrote: Even general pointers to books/websites would be great. Once I know what it's called I can google much more effectively Mars rover is robotic/embedded. I am using this site myself. http://www.societyofrobots.com/

Re: Need latest xorg

2012-06-20 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Matthias Gamsjager mgamsja...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Lynn Steven Killingsworth blue.seahorse.syndic...@gmail.com wrote: I don't seem to have generated much comment. I suspect you are thinking as I do that if your servers don't

Re: Need latest xorg

2012-06-20 Thread Adam Vande More
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Lynn Steven Killingsworth blue.seahorse.syndic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi FreeBSD - I have an AMD HD 7950 video card so I am trying to install the latest FreeBSD xorg available (7.5.2) for an updated driver. When I start make the install immediately stops at

Re: No surround sound with Creative SB Live! card

2012-06-20 Thread Bernt Hansson
2012-06-18 20:27, David Demelier skrev: On 15/06/2012 13:25, Bernt Hansson wrote: On 2012-06-15 10:06, David Demelier wrote: On 15/06/2012 05:43, Edward M wrote: On 06/14/2012 09:03 AM, David Demelier wrote: I have an old SB Live! card with a 5.1 speaker set, but i can't get sound from

Re: OT: Robotics or embedded or hardware programming... what is this called?

2012-06-20 Thread Bernt Hansson
2012-06-21 03:54, Modulok skrev: List, Sorry for the off-topic post. There are a lot of technically adept people on this list, so I thought I'd try my luck here: I want to get started programming for hardware. Motors, sensors, actuators, etc. I have a programming background, (python, PHP, C++)