RE: Disk errors when copying
geometry is meaningless in LBA mode. The drive and BIOS mfgr agree on a convenient fiction to reduce support calls. Don't forget that running under FreeDOS your running in real mode not protected mode. In real mode the segmented BIOS functions are actually used and it could be they are even used for addressing the disk, and the disk controller chipset emulates a MFM controller. (esentially) In the protected mode UNIX runs in, most of that BIOS code is useless, the disk driver talks directly to the disk controller chipset. There is probably some undocumented misbehavior that Microsoft got told about and so put it in their disk driver code, but that the FreeBSD developers didn't get told about. Ted > -Original Message- > From: Lars Eighner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 2:30 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Disk errors when copying > > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > >> From: Lars Eighner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> I wish I'd known that before I trashed my disc and spent a > couple of weeks > >> and hundreds of bucks building a new system. > >> > > > > One of the rules of thumb when you have hardware problems with a new > > system (I'm assuming of course that these UDMA errors have been > > happening since the system was built) is to search both the FreeBSD > > questions mailing list archives, and the PR database - both closed and > > open PRs. Particularly closed PRs are a wealth of information because > > so many of them are closed for lack of followup. > > I got the (disc) manufacture's utilities (which run on a bootable > FreeDOS CD) and ran every test over and over. It kept telling me > the disc was fine. I should have believed. > > I always feel a little weird about discs because although the manufacture > and the BIOS agree on the geometry, FreeBSD always (over three or > four boxes > with a half-dozen different discs) tells me the geometry is > wrong. It seems > so confident about it, I generally let it do what it wants. But what does > FreeBSD know about the disc that the manufacture and the BIOS don't? > > > -- > Lars Eighner > http://www.larseighner.com/index.html > 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 > > ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Disk errors when copying
> > >> ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) > > >> LBA=435128800 > > >> ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 > > >> error=10 LBA=435128800 > > >> g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5 > One of the rules of thumb when you have hardware problems with a new > system (I'm assuming of course that these UDMA errors have been > happening since the system was built) In my case it happened once and did not recur. But looking at the SMART log on the disk it appears that it might have happened before without my noticing. I was copying the disk before moving it to a different machine, so I probably won't be able to test it further. I'm sending a PR. -- Richard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Disk errors when copying
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: From: Lars Eighner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish I'd known that before I trashed my disc and spent a couple of weeks and hundreds of bucks building a new system. One of the rules of thumb when you have hardware problems with a new system (I'm assuming of course that these UDMA errors have been happening since the system was built) is to search both the FreeBSD questions mailing list archives, and the PR database - both closed and open PRs. Particularly closed PRs are a wealth of information because so many of them are closed for lack of followup. I got the (disc) manufacture's utilities (which run on a bootable FreeDOS CD) and ran every test over and over. It kept telling me the disc was fine. I should have believed. I always feel a little weird about discs because although the manufacture and the BIOS agree on the geometry, FreeBSD always (over three or four boxes with a half-dozen different discs) tells me the geometry is wrong. It seems so confident about it, I generally let it do what it wants. But what does FreeBSD know about the disc that the manufacture and the BIOS don't? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Disk errors when copying
> -Original Message- > From: Lars Eighner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:17 AM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Richard Tobin; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Disk errors when copying > > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > > >> Subject: Disk errors when copying > >> > >> > >> When copy between disks (ad10 ->ad8), I get errors: > >> > >> ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) > >> LBA=435128800 > >> ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 > >> error=10 LBA=435128800 > >> g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5 > >> > >> I don't get these errors just reading the data from ad10. Is this > >> some kind of system error rather than a bad disk? Is it a > known problem? > >> > > > > Yes it is a known problem. It does not happen with most combinations > > of drives and controllers. You need to exhaustively document the > > motherboard/controller/hard disk and put it into a PR and file it > > so that the developer can add your combo into his database. The more > > of these that are documented the quicker that a coorelation is going > > to show up and get fixed. > > I wish I'd known that before I trashed my disc and spent a couple of weeks > and hundreds of bucks building a new system. > One of the rules of thumb when you have hardware problems with a new system (I'm assuming of course that these UDMA errors have been happening since the system was built) is to search both the FreeBSD questions mailing list archives, and the PR database - both closed and open PRs. Particularly closed PRs are a wealth of information because so many of them are closed for lack of followup. A typical scenario is someone will report a problem like your having and 3 months later the developer will make a change in the code and then ask the reporter to test the change and see if it fixed the problem. By then the original reporter has gone on to something else and won't respond. The developer then closes the PR and assumes whatever he did fixed the problem. If you do find closed PRs that are the same problem and same hardware as yours, definitely refer to their numbers in your PR. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Disk errors when copying
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Subject: Disk errors when copying When copy between disks (ad10 ->ad8), I get errors: ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=435128800 ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 error=10 LBA=435128800 g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5 I don't get these errors just reading the data from ad10. Is this some kind of system error rather than a bad disk? Is it a known problem? Yes it is a known problem. It does not happen with most combinations of drives and controllers. You need to exhaustively document the motherboard/controller/hard disk and put it into a PR and file it so that the developer can add your combo into his database. The more of these that are documented the quicker that a coorelation is going to show up and get fixed. I wish I'd known that before I trashed my disc and spent a couple of weeks and hundreds of bucks building a new system. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Disk errors when copying
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Tobin > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:03 PM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Disk errors when copying > > > When copy between disks (ad10 ->ad8), I get errors: > > ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) > LBA=435128800 > ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 > error=10 LBA=435128800 > g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5 > > I don't get these errors just reading the data from ad10. Is this > some kind of system error rather than a bad disk? Is it a known problem? > Yes it is a known problem. It does not happen with most combinations of drives and controllers. You need to exhaustively document the motherboard/controller/hard disk and put it into a PR and file it so that the developer can add your combo into his database. The more of these that are documented the quicker that a coorelation is going to show up and get fixed. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Disk errors when copying
Richard Tobin wrote: When copy between disks (ad10 ->ad8), I get errors: ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=435128800 ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 error=10 LBA=435128800 g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5 I don't get these errors just reading the data from ad10. Is this some kind of system error rather than a bad disk? Is it a known problem? It doesn't match any recent known problem - it looks like a disk error. You might want to pinpoint the file which causes it and skip that file. Use sysutils/smartmontools to test and monitor the drive. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Disk errors when copying
When copy between disks (ad10 ->ad8), I get errors: ad10: WARNING - READ_DMA48 UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=435128800 ad10: FAILURE - READ_DMA48 status=51 error=10 LBA=435128800 g_vfs_done():ad10s2g[READ(offset=175562145792, length=131072)]error = 5 I don't get these errors just reading the data from ad10. Is this some kind of system error rather than a bad disk? Is it a known problem? (6.2 stable, SATA disks) -- Richard ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
