Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On 2006-08-04 08:38, Scott Oertel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bryan Bonifacio wrote: > >The ports and packages are also available from the CD-ROMs (either the > >first or the second). > > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a > better, more lightweight tool then mc? What's the job and who is going to do it? The "best tool" for a job is not always so easy to guess beforehand :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 04:44:26PM +0300, Simon Phoenix wrote: > On Friday 04 August 2006 09:41, Renat S. Nurgaliyev wrote: > > Please, please, please, include Midnight Commander into the future > > releases of FreeBSD! It is extremely time-safing and lightweight tool. It > > can be installed from ports, but what about disconnected PC's? Thanks a > > lot. > > IMHO no reason for this. Many users never use mc or use another file manager. otoh, when I demo'd a version of dired 20-odd years ago to Dick Wexelblat, he commented that it was like getting eyes. ymmv -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net pgp3Q5wILPh10.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On Friday 04 August 2006 09:41, Renat S. Nurgaliyev wrote: > Please, please, please, include Midnight Commander into the future > releases of FreeBSD! It is extremely time-safing and lightweight tool. It > can be installed from ports, but what about disconnected PC's? Thanks a > lot. IMHO no reason for this. Many users never use mc or use another file manager. -- Best regards, Simon Phoenix (Phoenix Lab.) --- KeyID: 0x2569D30B Fingerprint: 78FC 5C40 07CC D331 148E CC79 84B8 D514 2569 D30B --- pgp3nPDoEjZvR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
This article could be helpful: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/23/2226202&tid=13&tid=49 The author reviewed FDClone and Vifm along with Midnight Commander. Both FDClone and Vifm seem fast and lightweight to the author. -- Bryan Scott Oertel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a better, more lightweight tool then mc? -Scott Oertel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
--- Xiao-Yong Jin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > In the last episode (Aug 04), Andrew Gould said: > >> --- Scott Oertel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can > anyone recommend a > >> > better, more lightweight tool then mc? > >> > >> I would also like to hear recommendations for > alternatives to mc that > >> are light weight, work on the command line > **and** are either > >> included on the FreeBSD installation CD or would > be appropriate > >> additions to the installation CD. > > > > Actually, mc is pretty lightweight if you disable > all the options. Note > > that the dependency on Perl isn't listed in > OPTIONS, so you have to > > disable it manually in the port Makefile by > setting > > WITHOUT_PERL_MODULES=yes > > > Anyway, for a base system, it's still a bit heavy. > In fact, one can > always do anything with cp/mv I believe the > base system should > only include the simplest solution, that is, the > most fundamental > tools one needs, and without redundancy. > > > -- > > Dan Nelson > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're not talking about including mc (or similar application) in the base system. The installation CD's already contain many binary packages from the ports system (ie not in the base system). The question is whether there is an application similar to mc already on the CD; and, if not, whether one should/could be included. Andrew L. Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 03:21:06PM -0400, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: > > This is more lightweight than mc, and does things that mc doesn't: > > > > http://invisible-island.net/ded/ > > > Interesting. You can try to make it into the ports tree. I could - but generally am too busy working on development to be much more involved with packaging than by giving advice... -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net pgppd4OhkH3nT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
Freminlins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 04/08/06, Joseph Le-Phan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Personally, it'd be fantastic if mc was slated for inclusion. It's an >> absolute necessary install once I get a system up and running. > > > The thing is, once you go down this route it won't stop. Other people regard > bash, or lsof, or vim, or wget as an "absolute necessary install". bash gets > put on all our boxes because three of my colleagues prefer it. For them it > is essential - they won't use csh. I regard Tcl as an "absolute necessary > install" as that is my chosen scripting language. I put it on every box I > use (even Windows). And that's the problem. As I personally don't use mc > it's inclusion would be wasted on me. And if Tcl was included it would be > wasted on many (most!) other people. > > I have to say I absolutely enjoy using FreeBSD, more so than any other OS. > And part of that joy comes from the few minutes installation for the base > OS. > And a lot of that joy comes from the ports system. > I used to use Redhat. My first outing with that was version 4.2. Then as > time went on it no longer fitted on a single CD (after 6.2 IIRC.) And the > clutter and junk it installed (presumably because someone thought it was > essential or useful) was just appalling. > Here is a little bit OT. You may want to try Gentoo Linux, which I'm using for my desktop because FreeBSD is not happy with some of the hardwares. It's base system is completely clean and you might even uninstall the system packages. > IMHO the base install is best left lean like it is now - the only additions > should provide additional OS functionality, not user functionality. > Agree. > Joseph Le-Phan [GPG key: 292E09A0] > > > > My 2 pence. > Frem. > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > -- Xiao-Yong ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:38:58 -0700 Scott Oertel wrote: > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a > better, more lightweight tool then mc? I can't say if it's better (I've never used mc) but definitely it's more lightweight: misc/deco. WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On 04/08/06, Joseph Le-Phan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Personally, it'd be fantastic if mc was slated for inclusion. It's an absolute necessary install once I get a system up and running. The thing is, once you go down this route it won't stop. Other people regard bash, or lsof, or vim, or wget as an "absolute necessary install". bash gets put on all our boxes because three of my colleagues prefer it. For them it is essential - they won't use csh. I regard Tcl as an "absolute necessary install" as that is my chosen scripting language. I put it on every box I use (even Windows). And that's the problem. As I personally don't use mc it's inclusion would be wasted on me. And if Tcl was included it would be wasted on many (most!) other people. I have to say I absolutely enjoy using FreeBSD, more so than any other OS. And part of that joy comes from the few minutes installation for the base OS. I used to use Redhat. My first outing with that was version 4.2. Then as time went on it no longer fitted on a single CD (after 6.2 IIRC.) And the clutter and junk it installed (presumably because someone thought it was essential or useful) was just appalling. IMHO the base install is best left lean like it is now - the only additions should provide additional OS functionality, not user functionality. Joseph Le-Phan [GPG key: 292E09A0] My 2 pence. Frem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
Thomas Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:11:20PM -0400, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: >> Dan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > In the last episode (Aug 04), Andrew Gould said: >> >> --- Scott Oertel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a >> >> > better, more lightweight tool then mc? > ... >> > Actually, mc is pretty lightweight if you disable all the options. Note > > ;-) > >> Anyway, for a base system, it's still a bit heavy. In fact, one can >> always do anything with cp/mv I believe the base system should >> only include the simplest solution, that is, the most fundamental >> tools one needs, and without redundancy. > > "anything", given enough time/energy. > Yes. That's what the port system came for. You cannot just put anything into the base system, even if it's lightweight. Perhaps many people love mc, but there are people who have never used it. (Personally, I prefer dired in Emacs.) And I believe you can always do much more with basic tools than you do with mc, right? ;-) Much more, given enough time/energy. I always believe we should keep the base system as simple as possible. Actually, if it's really hard to connect to the internet, one can always burn a CD full of distfiles. > This is more lightweight than mc, and does things that mc doesn't: > > http://invisible-island.net/ded/ > Interesting. You can try to make it into the ports tree. > -- > Thomas E. Dickey > http://invisible-island.net > ftp://invisible-island.net -- Xiao-Yong ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 02:11:20PM -0400, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: > Dan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > In the last episode (Aug 04), Andrew Gould said: > >> --- Scott Oertel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a > >> > better, more lightweight tool then mc? ... > > Actually, mc is pretty lightweight if you disable all the options. Note ;-) > Anyway, for a base system, it's still a bit heavy. In fact, one can > always do anything with cp/mv I believe the base system should > only include the simplest solution, that is, the most fundamental > tools one needs, and without redundancy. "anything", given enough time/energy. This is more lightweight than mc, and does things that mc doesn't: http://invisible-island.net/ded/ -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net pgp6LsdIcAZZm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
Dan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In the last episode (Aug 04), Andrew Gould said: >> --- Scott Oertel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a >> > better, more lightweight tool then mc? >> >> I would also like to hear recommendations for alternatives to mc that >> are light weight, work on the command line **and** are either >> included on the FreeBSD installation CD or would be appropriate >> additions to the installation CD. > > Actually, mc is pretty lightweight if you disable all the options. Note > that the dependency on Perl isn't listed in OPTIONS, so you have to > disable it manually in the port Makefile by setting > WITHOUT_PERL_MODULES=yes > Anyway, for a base system, it's still a bit heavy. In fact, one can always do anything with cp/mv I believe the base system should only include the simplest solution, that is, the most fundamental tools one needs, and without redundancy. > -- > Dan Nelson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > -- Xiao-Yong ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
Actually, I don't think he was questioning mc's size. He was merely looking for alternatives that were _as_lightweight_as_ mc. :) Personally, it'd be fantastic if mc was slated for inclusion. It's an absolute necessary install once I get a system up and running. -- Joseph Le-Phan [GPG key: 292E09A0] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
In the last episode (Aug 04), Andrew Gould said: > --- Scott Oertel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a > > better, more lightweight tool then mc? > > I would also like to hear recommendations for alternatives to mc that > are light weight, work on the command line **and** are either > included on the FreeBSD installation CD or would be appropriate > additions to the installation CD. Actually, mc is pretty lightweight if you disable all the options. Note that the dependency on Perl isn't listed in OPTIONS, so you have to disable it manually in the port Makefile by setting WITHOUT_PERL_MODULES=yes -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
--- Scott Oertel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bryan Bonifacio wrote: > > The ports and packages are also available from the > CD-ROMs (either the first or the second). > > > > -- > > Bryan > > > > "Renat S. Nurgaliyev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > > > Please, please, please, include Midnight Commander > into the future > > releases of FreeBSD! It is extremely time-safing > and lightweight tool. It can be > > installed from ports, but what about disconnected > PC's? Thanks a lot. > > > > With Best Regards, > > Renat S. Nurgaliyev > > Data Network Engineer > > > > > > > I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can > anyone recommend a > better, more lightweight tool then mc? > > > -Scott Oertel I would also like to hear recommendations for alternatives to mc that are light weight, work on the command line **and** are either included on the FreeBSD installation CD or would be appropriate additions to the installation CD. mc makes it much easier/faster to finish configuring the OS after a clean installation; so it's always the first application I pkg_add from the ftp site. It would be nice to have an application with mc's basic features on the installation CD, especially since immediate internet access cannot be assumed. Andrew L. Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
Bryan Bonifacio wrote: The ports and packages are also available from the CD-ROMs (either the first or the second). -- Bryan "Renat S. Nurgaliyev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello! Please, please, please, include Midnight Commander into the future releases of FreeBSD! It is extremely time-safing and lightweight tool. It can be installed from ports, but what about disconnected PC's? Thanks a lot. With Best Regards, Renat S. Nurgaliyev Data Network Engineer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" I use midnight commander on a daily basis, can anyone recommend a better, more lightweight tool then mc? -Scott Oertel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
The ports and packages are also available from the CD-ROMs (either the first or the second). -- Bryan "Renat S. Nurgaliyev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello! Please, please, please, include Midnight Commander into the future releases of FreeBSD! It is extremely time-safing and lightweight tool. It can be installed from ports, but what about disconnected PC's? Thanks a lot. With Best Regards, Renat S. Nurgaliyev Data Network Engineer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 12:41:54PM +0600, Renat S. Nurgaliyev wrote: > Hello! > > Please, please, please, include Midnight Commander into the future > releases of FreeBSD! It is extremely time-safing and lightweight tool. It can > be > installed from ports, but what about disconnected PC's? Thanks a lot. Sorry, this will not happen. Everyone has their favourite tools, and that's what ports are for. Kris pgpB5bjcWZzVC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Midnight Commander in base distribution set
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 12:41:54PM +0600, Renat S. Nurgaliyev wrote: > Hello! > > Please, please, please, include Midnight Commander into the future > releases of FreeBSD! It is extremely time-safing and lightweight tool. It can > be > installed from ports, but what about disconnected PC's? Thanks a lot. You need free youself from "blue panel Norton Commander" syndrome :-) Also Midnight Commander is not lightweight tool because it needs many other packages to run. And dont forget MC & libraries it needs are under GPL license. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Midnight Commander in base distribution set
Hello! Please, please, please, include Midnight Commander into the future releases of FreeBSD! It is extremely time-safing and lightweight tool. It can be installed from ports, but what about disconnected PC's? Thanks a lot. With Best Regards, Renat S. Nurgaliyev Data Network Engineer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
