RE: Reply: Mini-Freebsd system on ram, to reduce noise?
There are also builds for FreeBSD-5 and Freebsd-6 -5 http://www.ultradesic.com/index.php?section=86 -6 http://www.ultradesic.com/index.php?section=125 I use minibsd (FreeBSD-4) very successfully as a network monitor in 32M RAM, booting from a 32M CF card, with a 66MHz processor. There are two partitions on the card - the root (r/o) and /config (r/o on boot, r/w during rc.shutdown to save my configs and scripts) Runs vi, tcpdump, net-snmp No moving parts (HDs, Fans, nada..) mjt Murray Taylor Special Projects Engineer Bytecraft Systems -- "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." --Albert Einstein > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Udo > Sent: Monday, 27 November 2006 6:13 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Reply: Mini-Freebsd system on ram, to reduce noise? > > Hello, fellow FreeBSD-users. I'm planning to build MiniBSD > (from freebsd) > with, these instructions: https://neon1.net/misc/minibsd.html > i'v red it few times and came to realize, that if i could get that > small FreeBSD why wouldnt i run it in RAM? > > I have Intel 333 Mhz / 256 sdram / 10Gb hd.. and few nics. > > i could boot up system and then move it into ram, lets say > that i'd create > 128 Mb size of memorydisk in ram. > > All data will be wiped during reboot, but i'll keep the > original image on > harddisk, which will shutdown until all system-files are > moved into RAM.. > > Is this anyway possible? > > It would reduce noise-level here in my livingroom, so thats > all i need, > beside NAT/Firewall :) > > all suggestions are considered, but monowall or picobsd are > no options, > because i need to learn it myself rather than "go'n buy & setup" > > how do i create memorybased filesystem? > > > mdconfig -t malloc -s 128m -u 5 > newfs -U /dev/md5 > mount /dev/md5 / > dd if=/mnt/ad0 of=/ > umount /mnt/ad0 > (drop the harddisk) > -- > > something like that? > > thanks, for reading :) > > Greetings > > Lars > --- > | Anonymous said... > | so what. > | why is glory in the real world better than the glory in a fake one? > | evolution made us to survive, not to live. > - > > 1...Firewall > > > > Everything I have read tends to point to "roll your own" firewall as > > a better alternative. In other words, learn to use it. > > I know it's difficult, but it will be worth it. The > > "go'n buy & setup" sound like M$-plug-and-play. It would create a > > generic firewall. It may or may-not full protect your system. I would > > recommend reading > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/fire > walls.html > > as well as reading the freebsd questions mail archives. > > > > 2...The following quote: > > "which will shutdown until all system-files are moved into RAM" > > maybe you ment to say move out of ram before shutdown. > > If you have a "UPS", then good, otherwise consider getting one. You > > could end up with a corrupt file system. > > > > 3...Do you have a cd-rom drive? You could run Freesbie: > > www.freesbie.org > > > > -- > > Alexander > > FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 > - > > Hello > > Sorry, if this reply goes wrong.. but i meant, that i am not > novice user.. > i'v been reading this > http://www.ultradesic.com/index.php?section=125tutorial now, and it > applies better on Freebsd > 6.0, so i have good startup.. my goals are following: > > I'm trying to make MiniBSD from FreeBSD 6.0 that would fit on > less than 128 > Mb of ram, so i could run whole system in ram... i wouldnt > need to run HD > either cd-rom 24/7 to keep noise... and i could save some electricity > > Ram is fast and silent to run minibsd in it.. is there any > disadvantage? > - Shutting down, clears ram.. but if i have static image on > HD that never > corrupts. > - on every boot, i boot from HD and while booting i'd make a > memory based > disk in ram, and copy that minibsd of mine into ram.. as long > as computer is > on.. that minibsd has all the firewall-rules & nat etc.. > and after, i have copied that minibsd image into the ram.. > > i could "umount /mnt/ad2; atacontrol detatch ad2" >
Re: Mini-Freebsd system on ram, to reduce noise?
< snip > That's not exactly the answer you're seeking here... but for the sake of people searching the archives: Contrary to popular belief, HDDs are not always the biggest noise makers, unless they're very old. The fans transmitting vibrations to the PC case are usually the worse culprits. I'm using a fanless EPIA-5000 (VIA C3) mini-ATX board with an attached Samsmung HDD in my living room. The disk, despite being the only source of noise and over 2 1/2 years old, is barely audible. In fact, the head seeking is the loudest and it's still barely a whisper. That's ideal for a very silent server/desktop PC and is also a good power saver. Of course all HDDs do get louder over time; but with the right kind of enclosure and dampening suspensions (a.k.a. ribbon bands), it's still very quiet. Regards, -cpghost -< snip > Yes, with money could by ultimate uber-silent computer, but my goal is to go with what i have and try to get best of freebsd :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Mini-Freebsd system on ram, to reduce noise?
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 09:10:55PM +0200, Lars Udo wrote: > Hello, fellow FreeBSD-users. I'm planning to build MiniBSD (from freebsd) > with, these instructions: https://neon1.net/misc/minibsd.html > i'v red it few times and came to realize, that if i could get that > small FreeBSD why wouldnt i run it in RAM? > > It would reduce noise-level here in my livingroom, so thats all i need, > beside NAT/Firewall :) That's not exactly the answer you're seeking here... but for the sake of people searching the archives: Contrary to popular belief, HDDs are not always the biggest noise makers, unless they're very old. The fans transmitting vibrations to the PC case are usually the worse culprits. I'm using a fanless EPIA-5000 (VIA C3) mini-ATX board with an attached Samsmung HDD in my living room. The disk, despite being the only source of noise and over 2 1/2 years old, is barely audible. In fact, the head seeking is the loudest and it's still barely a whisper. That's ideal for a very silent server/desktop PC and is also a good power saver. Of course all HDDs do get louder over time; but with the right kind of enclosure and dampening suspensions (a.k.a. ribbon bands), it's still very quiet. Regards, -cpghost -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Reply: Mini-Freebsd system on ram, to reduce noise?
Hello, fellow FreeBSD-users. I'm planning to build MiniBSD (from freebsd) with, these instructions: https://neon1.net/misc/minibsd.html i'v red it few times and came to realize, that if i could get that small FreeBSD why wouldnt i run it in RAM? I have Intel 333 Mhz / 256 sdram / 10Gb hd.. and few nics. i could boot up system and then move it into ram, lets say that i'd create 128 Mb size of memorydisk in ram. All data will be wiped during reboot, but i'll keep the original image on harddisk, which will shutdown until all system-files are moved into RAM.. Is this anyway possible? It would reduce noise-level here in my livingroom, so thats all i need, beside NAT/Firewall :) all suggestions are considered, but monowall or picobsd are no options, because i need to learn it myself rather than "go'n buy & setup" how do i create memorybased filesystem? mdconfig -t malloc -s 128m -u 5 newfs -U /dev/md5 mount /dev/md5 / dd if=/mnt/ad0 of=/ umount /mnt/ad0 (drop the harddisk) -- something like that? thanks, for reading :) Greetings Lars --- | Anonymous said... | so what. | why is glory in the real world better than the glory in a fake one? | evolution made us to survive, not to live. - 1...Firewall Everything I have read tends to point to "roll your own" firewall as a better alternative. In other words, learn to use it. I know it's difficult, but it will be worth it. The "go'n buy & setup" sound like M$-plug-and-play. It would create a generic firewall. It may or may-not full protect your system. I would recommend reading http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html as well as reading the freebsd questions mail archives. 2...The following quote: "which will shutdown until all system-files are moved into RAM" maybe you ment to say move out of ram before shutdown. If you have a "UPS", then good, otherwise consider getting one. You could end up with a corrupt file system. 3...Do you have a cd-rom drive? You could run Freesbie: www.freesbie.org -- Alexander FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 - Hello Sorry, if this reply goes wrong.. but i meant, that i am not novice user.. i'v been reading this http://www.ultradesic.com/index.php?section=125tutorial now, and it applies better on Freebsd 6.0, so i have good startup.. my goals are following: I'm trying to make MiniBSD from FreeBSD 6.0 that would fit on less than 128 Mb of ram, so i could run whole system in ram... i wouldnt need to run HD either cd-rom 24/7 to keep noise... and i could save some electricity Ram is fast and silent to run minibsd in it.. is there any disadvantage? - Shutting down, clears ram.. but if i have static image on HD that never corrupts. - on every boot, i boot from HD and while booting i'd make a memory based disk in ram, and copy that minibsd of mine into ram.. as long as computer is on.. that minibsd has all the firewall-rules & nat etc.. and after, i have copied that minibsd image into the ram.. i could "umount /mnt/ad2; atacontrol detatch ad2" this is almost as same setup than livecd. but cd-rom drive is big and slow. damn, i cant explain this straight and easy... i want to make a setup like livecd.. and copy whole system in to ram.. where it is on memorydisk and umount all harddrives and cd-rom-drives.. but when needed, i can bring my HD up for some changes or just to save some data that i'd like to keep safe.. (harddisk are hard to crash when they dont spin :) ((yes, its not cool to keep personal data on firewall-pc i know.. but i hope you get the idea )) i have now fully working firewall & nat & altq and i have used netbsd & freebsd for several years.. i might look like stupid if i have used so many years of these systems.. but the reason is that i have a job & girl & life .. so i dont have time to spend 24/7 on researching how could i get it working.. so i ask for you people.. just a little push, i'm not expecting 100% working advices.. just that is there any cons & pros and anything that comes to your mind that would help me? :) damn.. still didnt make any sense.. bootprosess, would be something like: 1. boot kernel from harddisk.. 2. while booting, create memorybased disk that is 50% of my ram (128Mb) 3. apply all firewall rules & bring up sshd 4. mount memorydisk as / (root) 5. dd if=minibsd.image of=/ 6. atacontrol detatch 'harddisk' and the result would be that i have everything running in RAM and harddisk is energysaving state.. like 'poweroff' or idle or something.. and if i need to make changes.. i log in as root and attach harddisk, and get it up and running.. and mount it as under /mnt/ad2 with write flags so that i can changes rules and they will be applied on next reboot. (my girl uses to shutdown all computers at nighttime) now i have acpi-button, and it shuts down properly.. b
Mini-Freebsd system on ram, to reduce noise?
Hello, fellow FreeBSD-users. I'm planning to build MiniBSD (from freebsd) with, these instructions: https://neon1.net/misc/minibsd.html i'v red it few times and came to realize, that if i could get that small FreeBSD why wouldnt i run it in RAM? I have Intel 333 Mhz / 256 sdram / 10Gb hd.. and few nics. i could boot up system and then move it into ram, lets say that i'd create 128 Mb size of memorydisk in ram. All data will be wiped during reboot, but i'll keep the original image on harddisk, which will shutdown until all system-files are moved into RAM.. Is this anyway possible? It would reduce noise-level here in my livingroom, so thats all i need, beside NAT/Firewall :) all suggestions are considered, but monowall or picobsd are no options, because i need to learn it myself rather than "go'n buy & setup" how do i create memorybased filesystem? mdconfig -t malloc -s 128m -u 5 newfs -U /dev/md5 mount /dev/md5 / dd if=/mnt/ad0 of=/ umount /mnt/ad0 (drop the harddisk) -- something like that? thanks, for reading :) Greetings Lars --- | Anonymous said... | so what. | why is glory in the real world better than the glory in a fake one? | evolution made us to survive, not to live. - 1...Firewall Everything I have read tends to point to "roll your own" firewall as a better alternative. In other words, learn to use it. I know it's difficult, but it will be worth it. The "go'n buy & setup" sound like M$-plug-and-play. It would create a generic firewall. It may or may-not full protect your system. I would recommend reading http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html as well as reading the freebsd questions mail archives. 2...The following quote: "which will shutdown until all system-files are moved into RAM" maybe you ment to say move out of ram before shutdown. If you have a "UPS", then good, otherwise consider getting one. You could end up with a corrupt file system. 3...Do you have a cd-rom drive? You could run Freesbie: www.freesbie.org -- Alexander FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 - sorry, if this reply goes wrong.. but i meant, that i am not novice user.. i'v been reading this http://www.ultradesic.com/index.php?section=125tutorial now, and it applies better on Freebsd 6.0, so i have good startup.. my goals are following: I'm trying to make MiniBSD from FreeBSD 6.0 that would fit on less than 128 Mb of ram, so i could run whole system in ram... i wouldnt need to run HD either cd-rom 24/7 to keep noise... and i could save some electricity Ram is fast and silent to run minibsd in it.. is there any disadvantage? - Shutting down, clears ram.. but if i have static image on HD that never corrupts. - on every boot, i boot from HD and while booting i'd make a memory based disk in ram, and copy that minibsd of mine into ram.. as long as computer is on.. that minibsd has all the firewall-rules & nat etc.. and after, i have copied that minibsd image into the ram.. i could "umount /mnt/ad2; atacontrol detatch ad2" this is almost as same setup than livecd. but cd-rom drive is big and slow. damn, i cant explain this straight and easy... i want to make a setup like livecd.. and copy whole system in to ram.. where it is on memorydisk and umount all harddrives and cd-rom-drives.. but when needed, i can bring my HD up for some changes or just to save some data that i'd like to keep safe.. (harddisk are hard to crash when they dont spin :) ((yes, its not cool to keep personal data on firewall-pc i know.. but i hope you get the idea )) i have now fully working firewall & nat & altq and i have used netbsd & freebsd for several years.. i might look like stupid if i have used so many years of these systems.. but the reason is that i have a job & girl & life .. so i dont have time to spend 24/7 on researching how could i get it working.. so i ask for you people.. just a little push, i'm not expecting 100% working advices.. just that is there any cons & pros and anything that comes to your mind that would help me? :) damn.. still didnt make any sense.. bootprosess, would be something like: 1. boot kernel from harddisk.. 2. while booting, create memorybased disk that is 50% of my ram (128Mb) 3. apply all firewall rules & bring up sshd 4. mount memorydisk as / (root) 5. dd if=minibsd.image of=/ 6. atacontrol detatch 'harddisk' and the result would be that i have everything running in RAM and harddisk is energysaving state.. like 'poweroff' or idle or something.. and if i need to make changes.. i log in as root and attach harddisk, and get it up and running.. and mount it as under /mnt/ad2 with write flags so that i can changes rules and they will be applied on next reboot. (my girl uses to shutdown all computers at nighttime) now i have acpi-button, and it shuts down properly.. but i wo
Re: Mini-Freebsd system on ram, to reduce noise?
On Sun, Nov 26, 2006 at 02:58:21PM +0200, Lars Udo wrote: > Hello, fellow FreeBSD-users. I'm planning to build MiniBSD (from freebsd) > with, these instructions: https://neon1.net/misc/minibsd.html > i'v red it few times and came to realize, that if i could get that > small FreeBSD why wouldnt i run it in RAM? > > I have Intel 333 Mhz / 256 sdram / 10Gb hd.. and few nics. > > i could boot up system and then move it into ram, lets say that i'd create > 128 Mb size of memorydisk in ram. > > All data will be wiped during reboot, but i'll keep the original image on > harddisk, which will shutdown until all system-files are moved into RAM.. > > Is this anyway possible? > > It would reduce noise-level here in my livingroom, so thats all i need, > beside NAT/Firewall :) > > all suggestions are considered, but monowall or picobsd are no options, > because i need to learn it myself rather than "go'n buy & setup" > > how do i create memorybased filesystem? > > > mdconfig -t malloc -s 128m -u 5 > newfs -U /dev/md5 > mount /dev/md5 / > dd if=/mnt/ad0 of=/ > umount /mnt/ad0 > (drop the harddisk) > -- > > something like that? > > thanks, for reading :) > > Greetings > > Lars 1...Firewall Everything I have read tends to point to "roll your own" firewall as a better alternative. In other words, learn to use it. I know it's difficult, but it will be worth it. The "go'n buy & setup" sound like M$-plug-and-play. It would create a generic firewall. It may or may-not full protect your system. I would recommend reading http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html as well as reading the freebsd questions mail archives. 2...The following quote: "which will shutdown until all system-files are moved into RAM" maybe you ment to say move out of ram before shutdown. If you have a "UPS", then good, otherwise consider getting one. You could end up with a corrupt file system. 3...Do you have a cd-rom drive? You could run Freesbie: www.freesbie.org -- Alexander FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Mini-Freebsd system on ram, to reduce noise?
Hello, fellow FreeBSD-users. I'm planning to build MiniBSD (from freebsd) with, these instructions: https://neon1.net/misc/minibsd.html i'v red it few times and came to realize, that if i could get that small FreeBSD why wouldnt i run it in RAM? I have Intel 333 Mhz / 256 sdram / 10Gb hd.. and few nics. i could boot up system and then move it into ram, lets say that i'd create 128 Mb size of memorydisk in ram. All data will be wiped during reboot, but i'll keep the original image on harddisk, which will shutdown until all system-files are moved into RAM.. Is this anyway possible? It would reduce noise-level here in my livingroom, so thats all i need, beside NAT/Firewall :) all suggestions are considered, but monowall or picobsd are no options, because i need to learn it myself rather than "go'n buy & setup" how do i create memorybased filesystem? mdconfig -t malloc -s 128m -u 5 newfs -U /dev/md5 mount /dev/md5 / dd if=/mnt/ad0 of=/ umount /mnt/ad0 (drop the harddisk) -- something like that? thanks, for reading :) Greetings Lars --- | Anonymous said... | so what. | why is glory in the real world better than the glory in a fake one? | evolution made us to survive, not to live. - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
