Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On 27/05/07, Christian Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 27/05/07, Erik Trulsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:38:33AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > [...] > > As I understand it the phrase 'All rights reserved' was required by older > copyright rules but is obsolete these days. > I.e. changing the wording so that 'All rights reserved' applies to both > copyright statements is pointless since it does not have any legal > significance any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "(C) - All rights reserved" something entirely different from the BSD License under which FreeBSD is licensed? This license grants it's users some rights very explicitely. I know that I can still be a Copyright owner when I choose to distribute a piece of work under a different license, but can I say that all rights are reserved when I actually do something else? Rightly claiming copyright only witholds certain uses from others. "All rights reserved" was a method of asserting that no rights except explicity allowed were granted, since certain forms of publication can imply certain copying rights (right to backup software, right to transcribe music for personal use) to the "end-user" (indeed, which end?). Any explicit copying rights granted by other statements are, of course, not reserved by the "all rights reserved" phrase. Modern copyright law is so hideously restrictive and explicit and morally indefensable (it "creates sin where none exists") that the phrase "all rights reserved" is deprecated. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On 27/05/07, Erik Trulsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:38:33AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > [...] As I understand it the phrase 'All rights reserved' was required by older copyright rules but is obsolete these days. I.e. changing the wording so that 'All rights reserved' applies to both copyright statements is pointless since it does not have any legal significance any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "(C) - All rights reserved" something entirely different from the BSD License under which FreeBSD is licensed? This license grants it's users some rights very explicitely. I know that I can still be a Copyright owner when I choose to distribute a piece of work under a different license, but can I say that all rights are reserved when I actually do something else? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:38:33AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garrett Cooper > > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:04 PM > > To: Kyrre Nygård > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All > > rights reserved. > > > > > > Kyrre Nygård wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > Is it possible to change: > > > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. > > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights > > reserved. > > > > > > Over to: > > > > > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > > The Regents of the University of California. > > > All rights reserved. > > > > > > If so, how is it done? > > > > > > To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright > > statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It > > would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' > > now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced > > font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no > > > > Now why would you want to do that? That's cutting FreeBSD totally out of > > the picture, which isn't correct since they're the copyright owners of > > the FreeBSD project from 1992 to today. > > > > Re-read what he said, Garrett: > > "To have `All rights reserved.' apply to BOTH copyright > statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. > > Cutting FreeBSD out would leave ONE, not multiple, copyright lines. > "BOTH" would not apply. He intended the first copyright line to > remain, he just didn't print it. > > He is actually right, and it should be filed as a PR. Gramatically, > right now the all rights reserved line does not apply to the > first copyright line. > > Of course, to be really nitpicky, the (c) should be removed, because > WTPO has already come out and stated that (c) isn't a valid copyright > indicator, you must completely enclose the c in a circle. As I understand it the phrase 'All rights reserved' was required by older copyright rules but is obsolete these days. I.e. changing the wording so that 'All rights reserved' applies to both copyright statements is pointless since it does not have any legal significance any more. -- Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Garrett Cooper > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:04 PM > To: Kyrre Nygård > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All > rights reserved. > > > Kyrre Nygård wrote: > > Hello! > > > > Is it possible to change: > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights > reserved. > > > > Over to: > > > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > The Regents of the University of California. > > All rights reserved. > > > > If so, how is it done? > > > > To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright > statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It > would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' > now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced > font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. > > > > Thank you, > > Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no > > Now why would you want to do that? That's cutting FreeBSD totally out of > the picture, which isn't correct since they're the copyright owners of > the FreeBSD project from 1992 to today. > Re-read what he said, Garrett: "To have `All rights reserved.' apply to BOTH copyright statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. Cutting FreeBSD out would leave ONE, not multiple, copyright lines. "BOTH" would not apply. He intended the first copyright line to remain, he just didn't print it. He is actually right, and it should be filed as a PR. Gramatically, right now the all rights reserved line does not apply to the first copyright line. Of course, to be really nitpicky, the (c) should be removed, because WTPO has already come out and stated that (c) isn't a valid copyright indicator, you must completely enclose the c in a circle. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
On 27/05/2007, at 1:03 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Kyrre Nygård wrote: Hello! Is it possible to change: Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Over to: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. If so, how is it done? To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. Thank you, Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no Now why would you want to do that? That's cutting FreeBSD totally out of the picture, which isn't correct since they're the copyright owners of the FreeBSD project from 1992 to today. I think the point is to reformat the "all rights reserved" statement, rather than remove a copyright line. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Kyrre Nygård wrote: Hello! Is it possible to change: Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Over to: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. If so, how is it done? To have `All rights reserved.' apply to both copyright statements, it is necessary to break it down to the next line. It would also look a whole lot neater, as the last number of `1994' now aligns with the last letter of `reserved' using a monospaced font, which ends up looking kind of weird. Trust me on this one. Thank you, Kyrre Nygård + mir-visuals.com + snoarc.no Now why would you want to do that? That's cutting FreeBSD totally out of the picture, which isn't correct since they're the copyright owners of the FreeBSD project from 1992 to today. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
