Re: FreeBSD filesystem performance in Enterprise

2004-03-01 Thread Charles McManis
FFS is fine, until you crash. 

Generally a FreeBSD machine with FFS and Softdeps can keep up, the challenge 
comes when you have to fsck everything to get back from a crash. That is why 
things like LFS et alia are useful. For things like mail directories the 
problem can be partitioned into dozens or thousands of nodes. Yahoo uses 
NetApp filers for this. 

How many filesystem ops/second? Generally it will constrain how many emails a 
day you process at some level. Will it work? Sure, it will work fine. And on 
a RAID system it will be unlikely to corrupt data, and with a file system 
mirror you will be unlikely to lose data. 

--Chuck
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Re: FreeBSD filesystem performance in Enterprise

2004-03-01 Thread Gary
Hi Forrest,

--On Monday, March 01, 2004 05:13:09 PM -0500 Forrest Aldrich 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Not trying to start a holy war -  just  looking into hard facts to
support some systems I'm designing.   FFS will either work, or it won't.
Black or white.
The type of I/O I'm talking about will be in the 100's of thousands of
email messages (probably more) per day... obviously the underlying OS,
filesystem tuning, hardware are also an issue.  I'm simply trying to gain
some insight into other's experience with FFS, etc.
Yahoo uses FreeBSD and qmail, and they deliver in the millions daily.. 100s 
of 1000s per day is nothing for a good MTA and OS like FreeBSD.

--
Gary
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Re: FreeBSD filesystem performance in Enterprise

2004-03-01 Thread Forrest Aldrich
Not trying to start a holy war -  just  looking into hard facts to 
support some systems I'm designing.   FFS will either work, or it 
won't.  Black or white.

The type of I/O I'm talking about will be in the 100's of thousands of 
email messages (probably more) per day... obviously the underlying OS, 
filesystem tuning, hardware are also an issue.  I'm simply trying to 
gain some insight into other's experience with FFS, etc.

Thanks.

Derrick Ryalls wrote:

Curious how FreeBSD ffs performs in Enterprise-level 
environments (ie: 
email stores that send 100's of thousands of messages per  
day) versus 
other filesystems like XFS (I heard thre's a port going on for 
FreeBSD..?), ReiserFS, et al.   Is there a FAQ that covers 
some of this 
and the various tuning issues one might consider (filesystem and 
kernel).   This applies either disk-alone or across a raid array, 
etc.I'm interested in hearing others experiences (good and bad).

   

You are almost starting a holy war  :)

I believe hotmail used to be hosted on FreeBSD until it was bought out by
MS, that should be a decent volume indicator.
I run a very small email list server and it works fine on a p200.  I did see
a noticable jump in speed when I switched the mail service from sendmail to
qmail, so it is also dependant on what you will run.
 

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RE: FreeBSD filesystem performance in Enterprise

2004-03-01 Thread Derrick Ryalls
> Curious how FreeBSD ffs performs in Enterprise-level 
> environments (ie: 
> email stores that send 100's of thousands of messages per  
> day) versus 
> other filesystems like XFS (I heard thre's a port going on for 
> FreeBSD..?), ReiserFS, et al.   Is there a FAQ that covers 
> some of this 
> and the various tuning issues one might consider (filesystem and 
> kernel).   This applies either disk-alone or across a raid array, 
> etc.I'm interested in hearing others experiences (good and bad).
> 
> 

You are almost starting a holy war  :)

I believe hotmail used to be hosted on FreeBSD until it was bought out by
MS, that should be a decent volume indicator.

I run a very small email list server and it works fine on a p200.  I did see
a noticable jump in speed when I switched the mail service from sendmail to
qmail, so it is also dependant on what you will run.

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