Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-17 Thread Shantanu Mahajan
+-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [freebsd] [17-07-03 00:30 +0200]:
| > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
| >  
| > > I don't have NVIDIA drivers. Is there any known bug in the 
| > > ATI Radeon driver? 
| > > 
| > > I rebooted, and all I have is the saved output from fstat, 
| > > no core dump. Is this enough to find out what was wrong? 
| > > Can I reproduce it under controlled circumstances? 
| >  
| > You said the process was marked as stuck waiting for disk activity. Do 
| > you have any network-mounted (or other unusual) filesystems on this 
| > machine? 
|  
| I have a NFS server, but there were no connections at this time. 
| KDE sends stuff on port 111 via the loopback interface, but I don't really 
| know what it is doing. 
|  
| > If a processes wedges in the middle of a kernel call, then you won't be 
| > able to kill it - the behaviour you've seen here. 
|  
| This may be a dumb question, but why the hell did the process use up all 
| the CPU time while it was waiting? 
|  
| I tried attaching to it with gdb and with truss, but I got no information. 
| I guess it is some kind of overflow, that caused the process to execute one 
| instruction repeatedly (only guessed, I'm not an expert). 
|  
| If it is an overflow, the cause must be in the environment. KDE was just 
| starting up, it did what it always does on startup. 
|  
|  
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try following in case you are having problem killing
a process.

# kill -9 
# kill -15 

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-16 Thread daniela5743
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
>  
> > I don't have NVIDIA drivers. Is there any known bug in the 
> > ATI Radeon driver? 
> > 
> > I rebooted, and all I have is the saved output from fstat, 
> > no core dump. Is this enough to find out what was wrong? 
> > Can I reproduce it under controlled circumstances? 
>  
> You said the process was marked as stuck waiting for disk activity. Do 
> you have any network-mounted (or other unusual) filesystems on this 
> machine? 
 
I have a NFS server, but there were no connections at this time. 
KDE sends stuff on port 111 via the loopback interface, but I don't really 
know what it is doing. 
 
> If a processes wedges in the middle of a kernel call, then you won't be 
> able to kill it - the behaviour you've seen here. 
 
This may be a dumb question, but why the hell did the process use up all 
the CPU time while it was waiting? 
 
I tried attaching to it with gdb and with truss, but I got no information. 
I guess it is some kind of overflow, that caused the process to execute one 
instruction repeatedly (only guessed, I'm not an expert). 
 
If it is an overflow, the cause must be in the environment. KDE was just 
starting up, it did what it always does on startup. 
 
 

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-16 Thread Kenneth Culver
> > Reboot! :)
>
>Hey, she's not talking about Windows ;-)
>
Sounds like her video card is hung, and in that case, the only thing to do
is reboot, as much as it sucks.

Ken
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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-16 Thread Jan Grant
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't have NVIDIA drivers. Is there any known bug in the
> ATI Radeon driver?
>
> I rebooted, and all I have is the saved output from fstat,
> no core dump. Is this enough to find out what was wrong?
> Can I reproduce it under controlled circumstances?

You said the process was marked as stuck waiting for disk activity. Do
you have any network-mounted (or other unusual) filesystems on this
machine?

If a processes wedges in the middle of a kernel call, then you won't be
able to kill it - the behaviour you've seen here.


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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-16 Thread daniela5743
> Are you by any chance using the NVIDIA supplied drivers?  I had 
> exactly the same symptoms with X freezing, especially when doing 
> something that puts a bit of load on the system.  The recent upgrade 
> to the drivers actually made things worse.  In the short term, the 
> only way to get the console screen back was to reboot. 
>  
> However, in the long term, it seems the problem was a bad interaction 
> with the FreeBSD AGP GART -- ie. the agp.ko kernel module.  I 
> recompiled the driver to use it's own built in AGP GART and since then 
> everything has been rock solid stable --- the x11/nvidia port makes it 
> easy to switch, but remember to edit /boot/loader.conf or your kernel 
> config to take out (or add) the agp module.  NVIDIA docs are a bit 
> equivocal about recommending one way or the other -- which way to 
> choose depends on the precise hardware you have.  Only way to tell is 
> by experiment.  There's also a sysctl hw.nvidia.agp.status.rate that 
> lets you control the agp card rate: it should all work automatically, 
> but you may find that dropping the rate will help stabilize things. 
> Of course, that will have a deleterious impact on graphics 
> performance. 
 
 
I don't have NVIDIA drivers. Is there any known bug in the 
ATI Radeon driver? 
 
I rebooted, and all I have is the saved output from fstat, 
no core dump. Is this enough to find out what was wrong? 
Can I reproduce it under controlled circumstances? 
 
 

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Benzi Mizrahi
ביום שלישי, 15 ביולי 2003, 22:01, Libby Charles-CCL044 כתב:
> And Kill -9 as root does not do it?
> Do a ps -ef to see which is the parent process and kill the parent as long
> as it is not init (piid 1)
>

Servers need not run KDE...

> -Original Message-
> From: Neu, Benjamin S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: KDE process is unkillable
>
>
>  That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then you
> show'em who's boss: rmuser *
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: Neu, Benjamin S.
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>
> > Reboot! :)
>
> I can't reboot. This is a server.
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:52 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: KDE process is unkillable
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I've got a problem with KDE, maybe you can help me.
> >
> > I just started KDE as root (yes, I know that's not good).
> > KDE hangs and I can't do anything on the console, but I
> > can log in over SSH, where I tried to kill KDE. One of
> > the processes is in disk wait state and trying to exit.
> >
> > Is there a way to kill the process?
> > I would appreciate any help.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Daniela
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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Neu, Benjamin S.
 That's funny, what do they call it? X "Windows"
*smirk* 
-B


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Neu, Benjamin S. wrote:
> Reboot! :)

   Hey, she's not talking about Windows ;-)

Leo

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Leonhard Wimmer
Neu, Benjamin S. wrote:
Reboot! :)
  Hey, she's not talking about Windows ;-)

Leo

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Bruce Cran
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 03:30:28PM -0500, Neu, Benjamin S. wrote:
> Dear God! REBOOT it man!

The system probably won't be able to shutdown cleanly, because if kill -9 doesn't
work then 'reboot' won't be able to kill the processes.   I've had this happen
with nfs-mounted drives when the network dies - FreeBSD just sits there forever
trying to read the file, and the system refuses to shutdown.

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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:29 PM
> To: dick hoogendijk
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: KDE process is unkillable
> 
> > On 15 Jul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I tried it multiple times. I was able to kill all the other KDE
> > > related processes (even the parent), but this one just doesn't die.
> > 
> > Then kill (-9) the login session itself (the one kde came from in the
> > first place)
> > 
> > And if that too does not help: a home server is very easely rebooted.
> > Nobody will notice or at least hardly..
> 
> Thanks for the advice, but I really don't want to kick my users off.
> If it is really necessary, I want to get a core dump before rebooting.
> Do you know how I could do this?
> 
> I'm trying to install lsof, but it takes forever (KDE takes up all the
> CPU
> time).
> Here's the output from fstat, maybe this solves the problem:
> 
> root kdeinit62100 root / 2 drwxr-xr-x 512  r
> root kdeinit62100   wd /usr 6690817 drwxr-xr-x2048  r
> root kdeinit62100 text /usr 341416 -r-xr-xr-x  412176  r
> root kdeinit621000 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
> root kdeinit621001 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
> root kdeinit621002 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
> root kdeinit621007 / 64909 crw-rw  #C145:0 rw
> root kdeinit621008* pipe e390a2a0 <-> e390a520  0 rw
> root kdeinit621009* pipe e390a520 <-> e390a2a0  0 rw
> root kdeinit62100   10* pipe df266260 <-> df2652c0  0 rw
> root kdeinit62100   11* pipe df2652c0 <-> df266260  0 rw
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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:29:00PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On 15 Jul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I tried it multiple times. I was able to kill all the other KDE
> > > related processes (even the parent), but this one just doesn't die.
> > 
> > Then kill (-9) the login session itself (the one kde came from in the
> > first place)
> > 
> > And if that too does not help: a home server is very easely rebooted.
> > Nobody will notice or at least hardly..
> 
> Thanks for the advice, but I really don't want to kick my users off.
> If it is really necessary, I want to get a core dump before rebooting.
> Do you know how I could do this?
> 
> I'm trying to install lsof, but it takes forever (KDE takes up all the CPU
> time).
> Here's the output from fstat, maybe this solves the problem:
> 
> root kdeinit62100 root / 2 drwxr-xr-x 512  r
> root kdeinit62100   wd /usr 6690817 drwxr-xr-x2048  r
> root kdeinit62100 text /usr 341416 -r-xr-xr-x  412176  r
> root kdeinit621000 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
> root kdeinit621001 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
> root kdeinit621002 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
> root kdeinit621007 / 64909 crw-rw  #C145:0 rw
> root kdeinit621008* pipe e390a2a0 <-> e390a520  0 rw
> root kdeinit621009* pipe e390a520 <-> e390a2a0  0 rw
> root kdeinit62100   10* pipe df266260 <-> df2652c0  0 rw
> root kdeinit62100   11* pipe df2652c0 <-> df266260  0 rw

Are you by any chance using the NVIDIA supplied drivers?  I had
exactly the same symptoms with X freezing, especially when doing
something that puts a bit of load on the system.  The recent upgrade
to the drivers actually made things worse.  In the short term, the
only way to get the console screen back was to reboot.

However, in the long term, it seems the problem was a bad interaction
with the FreeBSD AGP GART -- ie. the agp.ko kernel module.  I
recompiled the driver to use it's own built in AGP GART and since then
everything has been rock solid stable --- the x11/nvidia port makes it
easy to switch, but remember to edit /boot/loader.conf or your kernel
config to take out (or add) the agp module.  NVIDIA docs are a bit
equivocal about recommending one way or the other -- which way to
choose depends on the precise hardware you have.  Only way to tell is
by experiment.  There's also a sysctl hw.nvidia.agp.status.rate that
lets you control the agp card rate: it should all work automatically,
but you may find that dropping the rate will help stabilize things.
Of course, that will have a deleterious impact on graphics
performance.

Cheers,

Matthew

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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Bob Collins
At 04:30 PM 7/15/2003, you wrote:
Dear God! REBOOT it man!
Here here!

While it may be a noble experiment to "keep the server running", it is 
after all, a home server. Reboot it when you are having dinner. 

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Marc Wiz
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:29:00PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On 15 Jul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I tried it multiple times. I was able to kill all the other KDE
> > > related processes (even the parent), but this one just doesn't die.
> > 
> > Then kill (-9) the login session itself (the one kde came from in the
> > first place)
> > 
> > And if that too does not help: a home server is very easely rebooted.
> > Nobody will notice or at least hardly..
> 
> Thanks for the advice, but I really don't want to kick my users off.
> If it is really necessary, I want to get a core dump before rebooting.
> Do you know how I could do this?
> 
> I'm trying to install lsof, but it takes forever (KDE takes up all the CPU
> time).

Try nicing the process with nice or try stopping it with a SIGTSTP.

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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Neu, Benjamin S.
Dear God! REBOOT it man!

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> On 15 Jul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I tried it multiple times. I was able to kill all the other KDE
> > related processes (even the parent), but this one just doesn't die.
> 
> Then kill (-9) the login session itself (the one kde came from in the
> first place)
> 
> And if that too does not help: a home server is very easely rebooted.
> Nobody will notice or at least hardly..

Thanks for the advice, but I really don't want to kick my users off.
If it is really necessary, I want to get a core dump before rebooting.
Do you know how I could do this?

I'm trying to install lsof, but it takes forever (KDE takes up all the
CPU
time).
Here's the output from fstat, maybe this solves the problem:

root kdeinit62100 root / 2 drwxr-xr-x 512  r
root kdeinit62100   wd /usr 6690817 drwxr-xr-x2048  r
root kdeinit62100 text /usr 341416 -r-xr-xr-x  412176  r
root kdeinit621000 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
root kdeinit621001 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
root kdeinit621002 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
root kdeinit621007 / 64909 crw-rw  #C145:0 rw
root kdeinit621008* pipe e390a2a0 <-> e390a520  0 rw
root kdeinit621009* pipe e390a520 <-> e390a2a0  0 rw
root kdeinit62100   10* pipe df266260 <-> df2652c0  0 rw
root kdeinit62100   11* pipe df2652c0 <-> df266260  0 rw

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread daniela5743
> On 15 Jul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I tried it multiple times. I was able to kill all the other KDE
> > related processes (even the parent), but this one just doesn't die.
> 
> Then kill (-9) the login session itself (the one kde came from in the
> first place)
> 
> And if that too does not help: a home server is very easely rebooted.
> Nobody will notice or at least hardly..

Thanks for the advice, but I really don't want to kick my users off.
If it is really necessary, I want to get a core dump before rebooting.
Do you know how I could do this?

I'm trying to install lsof, but it takes forever (KDE takes up all the CPU
time).
Here's the output from fstat, maybe this solves the problem:

root kdeinit62100 root / 2 drwxr-xr-x 512  r
root kdeinit62100   wd /usr 6690817 drwxr-xr-x2048  r
root kdeinit62100 text /usr 341416 -r-xr-xr-x  412176  r
root kdeinit621000 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
root kdeinit621001 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
root kdeinit621002 / 65411 crw---   ttyv3 rw
root kdeinit621007 / 64909 crw-rw  #C145:0 rw
root kdeinit621008* pipe e390a2a0 <-> e390a520  0 rw
root kdeinit621009* pipe e390a520 <-> e390a2a0  0 rw
root kdeinit62100   10* pipe df266260 <-> df2652c0  0 rw
root kdeinit62100   11* pipe df2652c0 <-> df266260  0 rw

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 15 Jul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I tried it multiple times. I was able to kill all the other KDE
> related processes (even the parent), but this one just doesn't die.

Then kill (-9) the login session itself (the one kde came from in the
first place)

And if that too does not help: a home server is very easely rebooted.
Nobody will notice or at least hardly..

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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Neu, Benjamin S.
Is it just me or did this d00d make this seem like it was a production
server right off the bat when I said reboot!?
 Because rebooting would take care of this problem in a lick idée split.

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> Did anybody mention Ctrl + Alt + Backsapce to kill the X session? This
has
> 
> worked for me in the past...
> 

I can't do anything on the console, even Numlock won't turn on and off.

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread daniela5743
> Did anybody mention Ctrl + Alt + Backsapce to kill the X session? This has
> 
> worked for me in the past...
> 

I can't do anything on the console, even Numlock won't turn on and off.

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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread daniela5743
> > Yes, I know, but this server is also my workstation (it's just a home
> > server).
> >
> ok, well like the other people said... did you try kill -9 as root on the
> process in question? If you did, and it still won't die, most likely
> you'll have to reboot.


I tried it multiple times. I was able to kill all the other KDE related
processes (even the parent), but this one just doesn't die.

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Bob Collins
At 03:20 PM 7/15/2003, you wrote:
On Tuesday 15 July 2003 02:14 pm, Marc Wiz wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:11:24PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >  That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then
> > > you show'em who's boss: rmuser *
> > >
> > :-) No, I'm nice to my users.
Kill them! Kill them all!!!

> > Any ideas why it crashed? Could this be a serious bug (4.8-STABLE)?
> > If yes, how do I get a core dump, or at least some more information?
> > I have debug symbols everywhere. It is a clean system, freshly
> > installed a few days ago.
> > I'd really like to know what's going on.
>
> I would suggest using lsof and find out which file the process is
> waiting on.  It seems rather strange that the process is in a disk
> wait state for so long.
>
> Marc
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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread daniela5743
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:11:24PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >  That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then
> > > you show'em who's boss: rmuser * 
> > 
> > :-) No, I'm nice to my users.
> > 
> > Any ideas why it crashed? Could this be a serious bug (4.8-STABLE)?
> > If yes, how do I get a core dump, or at least some more information?
> > I have debug symbols everywhere. It is a clean system, freshly
> > installed a few days ago.
> > I'd really like to know what's going on.
> 
> I would suggest using lsof and find out which file the process is
> waiting on.  It seems rather strange that the process is in a disk
> wait state for so long.


Thanks, I'll try it out.

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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Kenneth Culver
> Yes, I know, but this server is also my workstation (it's just a home
> server).
>
ok, well like the other people said... did you try kill -9 as root on the
process in question? If you did, and it still won't die, most likely
you'll have to reboot.

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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Chris
On Tuesday 15 July 2003 02:14 pm, Marc Wiz wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:11:24PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >  That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then
> > > you show'em who's boss: rmuser *
> > >
> > :-) No, I'm nice to my users.

Kill them! Kill them all!!!


> > Any ideas why it crashed? Could this be a serious bug (4.8-STABLE)?
> > If yes, how do I get a core dump, or at least some more information?
> > I have debug symbols everywhere. It is a clean system, freshly
> > installed a few days ago.
> > I'd really like to know what's going on.
>
> I would suggest using lsof and find out which file the process is
> waiting on.  It seems rather strange that the process is in a disk
> wait state for so long.
>
> Marc

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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread daniela5743
> > I can't reboot. This is a server.
> >
> Why are you even running X on a server? I know this doesn't help your
> problem, but it's generally not a good idea to run X on servers.
> 
> Ken
> 


Yes, I know, but this server is also my workstation (it's just a home
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Re: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Marc Wiz
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:11:24PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >  That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then
> > you show'em who's boss: rmuser * 
> 
> :-) No, I'm nice to my users.
> 
> Any ideas why it crashed? Could this be a serious bug (4.8-STABLE)?
> If yes, how do I get a core dump, or at least some more information?
> I have debug symbols everywhere. It is a clean system, freshly
> installed a few days ago.
> I'd really like to know what's going on.

I would suggest using lsof and find out which file the process is
waiting on.  It seems rather strange that the process is in a disk
wait state for so long.

Marc

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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread daniela5743
>  That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then
> you show'em who's boss: rmuser * 

:-) No, I'm nice to my users.

Any ideas why it crashed? Could this be a serious bug (4.8-STABLE)?
If yes, how do I get a core dump, or at least some more information?
I have debug symbols everywhere. It is a clean system, freshly
installed a few days ago.
I'd really like to know what's going on.


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Neu, Benjamin S.
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: KDE process is unkillable
> 
> > Reboot! :)
> 
> I can't reboot. This is a server.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
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> > Subject: KDE process is unkillable
> > 
> > Hi all!
> > I've got a problem with KDE, maybe you can help me.
> > 
> > I just started KDE as root (yes, I know that's not good).
> > KDE hangs and I can't do anything on the console, but I
> > can log in over SSH, where I tried to kill KDE. One of
> > the processes is in disk wait state and trying to exit. 
> > 
> > Is there a way to kill the process?
> > I would appreciate any help.
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Daniela
> > 
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RE: KDE process is unkillable ==> COMMENT

2003-07-15 Thread Neu, Benjamin S.
Hehehe I kid. I would never. Well maybe.

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Mental note: don't use machine maintained by Benjamin... 

:P
Michael

On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 14:58, Neu, Benjamin S. wrote:
>  That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then
> you show'em who's boss: rmuser * 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Neu, Benjamin S.
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> > Reboot! :)
> 
> I can't reboot. This is a server.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:52 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: KDE process is unkillable
> > 
> > Hi all!
> > I've got a problem with KDE, maybe you can help me.
> > 
> > I just started KDE as root (yes, I know that's not good).
> > KDE hangs and I can't do anything on the console, but I
> > can log in over SSH, where I tried to kill KDE. One of
> > the processes is in disk wait state and trying to exit. 
> > 
> > Is there a way to kill the process?
> > I would appreciate any help.
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Daniela
> > 
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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Kenneth Culver
> I can't reboot. This is a server.
>
Why are you even running X on a server? I know this doesn't help your
problem, but it's generally not a good idea to run X on servers.

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RE: KDE process is unkillable ==> COMMENT

2003-07-15 Thread Michael E. Mercer
Mental note: don't use machine maintained by Benjamin... 

:P
Michael

On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 14:58, Neu, Benjamin S. wrote:
>  That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then
> you show'em who's boss: rmuser * 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:56 PM
> To: Neu, Benjamin S.
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: KDE process is unkillable
> 
> > Reboot! :)
> 
> I can't reboot. This is a server.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:52 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: KDE process is unkillable
> > 
> > Hi all!
> > I've got a problem with KDE, maybe you can help me.
> > 
> > I just started KDE as root (yes, I know that's not good).
> > KDE hangs and I can't do anything on the console, but I
> > can log in over SSH, where I tried to kill KDE. One of
> > the processes is in disk wait state and trying to exit. 
> > 
> > Is there a way to kill the process?
> > I would appreciate any help.
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > Daniela
> > 
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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Libby Charles-CCL044
And Kill -9 as root does not do it?
Do a ps -ef to see which is the parent process and kill the parent as long as it is 
not init (piid 1)

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 That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then you show'em 
who's boss: rmuser * 

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> Reboot! :)

I can't reboot. This is a server.


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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: KDE process is unkillable
> 
> Hi all!
> I've got a problem with KDE, maybe you can help me.
> 
> I just started KDE as root (yes, I know that's not good).
> KDE hangs and I can't do anything on the console, but I
> can log in over SSH, where I tried to kill KDE. One of
> the processes is in disk wait state and trying to exit.
> 
> Is there a way to kill the process?
> I would appreciate any help.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Daniela
> 
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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Neu, Benjamin S.
 That's a bunch of non-sense! :) nobody will notice.. If they do then
you show'em who's boss: rmuser * 

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> Reboot! :)

I can't reboot. This is a server.


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> Subject: KDE process is unkillable
> 
> Hi all!
> I've got a problem with KDE, maybe you can help me.
> 
> I just started KDE as root (yes, I know that's not good).
> KDE hangs and I can't do anything on the console, but I
> can log in over SSH, where I tried to kill KDE. One of
> the processes is in disk wait state and trying to exit. 
> 
> Is there a way to kill the process?
> I would appreciate any help.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Daniela
> 
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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread daniela5743
> Reboot! :)

I can't reboot. This is a server.


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> Subject: KDE process is unkillable
> 
> Hi all!
> I've got a problem with KDE, maybe you can help me.
> 
> I just started KDE as root (yes, I know that's not good).
> KDE hangs and I can't do anything on the console, but I
> can log in over SSH, where I tried to kill KDE. One of
> the processes is in disk wait state and trying to exit. 
> 
> Is there a way to kill the process?
> I would appreciate any help.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Daniela
> 
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RE: KDE process is unkillable

2003-07-15 Thread Neu, Benjamin S.
Reboot! :)

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Hi all!
I've got a problem with KDE, maybe you can help me.

I just started KDE as root (yes, I know that's not good).
KDE hangs and I can't do anything on the console, but I
can log in over SSH, where I tried to kill KDE. One of
the processes is in disk wait state and trying to exit. 

Is there a way to kill the process?
I would appreciate any help.
Thanks in advance.

Daniela

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