Re: ! why? [original emails enclosed: last post hopefully]
On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 02:20:10PM -0500, __Clint__ wrote: > I still don't believe for a second that this is due to me posting on any > public mail list. FreeBSD's mail servers and/or lists of email addresses > were somehow comprimised. Um, no. Public mailing lists are publically archived, and publically redistributed on other fora. Spammers harvest email addresses from public resources. You owe us an apology for the accusations. Kris pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ! why? [original emails enclosed: last post hopefully]
__Clint__ wrote:
I had no clue when I posted that bug report that I'd be hurting myself
more than helping others. It's a shame what the spammers have done to the
intrnet. Hopefully tar was at least fixed.
A "new" tar(1), [actually, that was a "new GNU" tar(1)]
was MFC-ed ("merged from -CURRENT") shortly after
that pr was filed
KDK
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Re: ! why? [original emails enclosed: last post hopefully]
>Or, if you prefer a smaller URL: http://tinyurl.com/24lel I'll be damned. THANK YOU for getting to the bottom of this. As of opening this URL, I official retract all my previous statements that I'd never heard of the list. That WAS me. Sorry. I had no clue when I posted that bug report that I'd be hurting myself more than helping others. It's a shame what the spammers have done to the intrnet. Hopefully tar was at least fixed. > 5. There's no evidence that anyone deliberately sold your address to >spammers. Certainly, it's highly unlikely that anyone officially >connected with FreeBSD would ever do something like that. At this point, I believe you, and apologize to the whole list for thinking freebsd sold my address. (But not for posting to the list, since I didn't know that's what I was doing.) > Please direct your ire in a more appropriate direction. Okay How bout them republicans? > 4. You chose to use an address variant that's tied closely to your regular >address. Thus, when the variant address was compromised, you can't >disable it without also disabling your regular email address. I can. I just make a procmail filter for that variant to go directly to my spam folder. I'm still glad I at least know why this happened. Thanks. P.S. I'd say it's still freebsd's fault for having a bug in tar... Just kidding! Just kidding! Just kidding! Over. And out. -Clint ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: ! why? [original emails enclosed: last post hopefully]
On 25 March, 2004, at 14:20 (-0500) __Clint__ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're not a victim of SPAM, you're an attention seeker. Go and look for > > help with that issue on another list. > > Considering that in 10 yrs I have only ever received human replies to 3 or > 4 "abuse@", but have probably sent 200 or so, this was decidedly > not a ploy for attention. I expected it to go to /dev/null, not some > mailing list full of unix folks with their typical tiresome unix-culture > attitudes (which usually include, but are not limited to: intellectual > elitism, scapegoating, and blaming the user for 100% of bad things that > happen to the user). > > And as for "Another list" - I never knew my original post was going to a > list so it's not like i'm seeking attention by posting to a list. Had I > known it was a list my email would have been phrased differently or, more > than likely, I would have simply not sent it. ... > I still don't believe for a second that this is due to me posting on any > public mail list. FreeBSD's mail servers and/or lists of email addresses > were somehow comprimised. Geez, give it rest, will you? You're trying so hard to find someone to blame for this problem that you're ignoring some basic facts--facts that have been pointed out to you several times. Here, I'll point them out again. 1. Back in February, 2002, you submitted a problem report. Problem reports end up going to the "freebsd-bugs" mailing list. Here are two archived versions of the message that ended up on that mailing list: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=306876+0+archive/2002/freebsd-bugs/20020224.freebsd-bugs http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/145/2002/2/250/7871040/ 2. As a previous respondent pointed out to you, there's are several Usenet newsgroups that are fed from the freebsd-bugs mailing list. Without looking very hard, I found three: fa.freebsd.bugs, sol.lists.freebsd.bugs, mailing.freebsd.bugs. As was also mentioned to you, try plugging your address into the search box at groups.google.com. Here's one such instance of your message, as it appeared on the "fa.freebsd.bugs" mailing list. http://www.google.com/groups?q=author:clint%2Bfreebsddotorg%40acm.vt.edu&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=2000&as_maxd=25&as_maxm=3&as_maxy=2004&selm=fa.klgcaav.k0chjm%40ifi.uio.no&rnum=1 Or, if you prefer a smaller URL: http://tinyurl.com/24lel 3. Spammers mine Usenet news groups for addresses. You must have known that already; it's been going on now for a decade. See http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/05/spams_tenth_birthday_today.html That it took the spammers two years to mine your address from those groups is just short of a miracle. I've had addresses mined in less than a day. 4. You chose to use an address variant that's tied closely to your regular address. Thus, when the variant address was compromised, you can't disable it without also disabling your regular email address. There are smarter approaches, including: a) Defining throw-away aliases. Useful if you can create email aliases at will. b) Using a throwaway Hotmail or Yahoo address. 5. There's no evidence that anyone deliberately sold your address to spammers. Certainly, it's highly unlikely that anyone officially connected with FreeBSD would ever do something like that. No one on this mailing list is to blame for your receipt of spam on what you erroneously supposed was a private email address. If you must find someone to blame, consider these targets: a. Yourself. You sent a bug report, and all bug reports are posted to the public mailing list "freebsd-bugs". b. The spammers. Of course, it's no fun blaming them, because they're difficult to find and throttle. But that's no excuse for hurling invective at FreeBSD users. That's equivalent to kicking your dog because your boss pissed you off. Please direct your ire in a more appropriate direction. Brian Clapper, http://www.clapper.org/bmc/ ...skill such as yours is evidence of a misspent youth. -- Herbert Spencer ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: ! why? [original emails enclosed: last post hopefully]
At 2004-03-25T19:20:10Z, __Clint__ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I still don't believe for a second that this is due to me posting on any > public mail list. FreeBSD's mail servers and/or lists of email addresses > were somehow comprimised. The light is on, but nobody's home. Listen, Clint, it's as simple as this: you filed a bug report. That bug report is available online to whomever wishes to look at it. All bug reports are also forwarded to appropriate mailing lists so that the responsible parties can discuss them. These mailing lists are archived and searchable online. Search for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in Google Groups to see for yourself. We have explained this to you time and again, but you don't seem to hear it so I'm going to shout: NO SERVERS OR LISTS WERE COMPROMISED. YOU POSTED TO A PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING. I'm done explaining. Choose to listen or not - it's your call. -- Kirk Strauser "94 outdated ports on the box, 94 outdated ports. Portupgrade one, an hour 'til done, 82 outdated ports on the box." pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ! why? [original emails enclosed: last post hopefully]
On Thursday 25 March 2004 01:20 pm, __Clint__ wrote: > > You're not a victim of SPAM, you're an attention seeker. Go and look for > > help with that issue on another list. > > Considering that in 10 yrs I have only ever received human replies to 3 or > 4 "abuse@", but have probably sent 200 or so, this was decidedly > not a ploy for attention. I expected it to go to /dev/null, not some > mailing list full of unix folks with their typical tiresome unix-culture > attitudes (which usually include, but are not limited to: intellectual > elitism, scapegoating, and blaming the user for 100% of bad things that > happen to the user). Yanno - I was gonna read the rest of this, but after the above paragraph, I felt I had had enough. You really don't need to go on out and insult us users, the list, and the maintaners. If you can't deal with the fact that you made a booboo (Ooops, pardon me - that was a slip of the elitism you mentioned), and get past this - then I'll help you out. I hear-by request the maintainer of this public list to remove the offending user that from this list that started this thread. It's apparent (to me at least) the medication has been skipped for a few days if not at least a few doses. -- Best regards, Chris ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: ! why? [original emails enclosed: last post hopefully]
> You're not a victim of SPAM, you're an attention seeker. Go and look for > help with that issue on another list. Considering that in 10 yrs I have only ever received human replies to 3 or 4 "abuse@", but have probably sent 200 or so, this was decidedly not a ploy for attention. I expected it to go to /dev/null, not some mailing list full of unix folks with their typical tiresome unix-culture attitudes (which usually include, but are not limited to: intellectual elitism, scapegoating, and blaming the user for 100% of bad things that happen to the user). And as for "Another list" - I never knew my original post was going to a list so it's not like i'm seeking attention by posting to a list. Had I known it was a list my email would have been phrased differently or, more than likely, I would have simply not sent it. The root of the problem is that my initial complaint DID in fact go to /dev/null (in a sense). I got back this response (below). The next-closest thing to abuse@ was [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice how it does not mention that any of these are mailing lists. Also notice how the spam problem they mention is forged headers. My problem is NOT mail forged to be crafted to look like it came from freebsd.org. My spam was NOT marked as from freebsd.org. What involves freebsd.org is that they used [EMAIL PROTECTED] as my address -- that is an address that I would only ever put into FreeBSD.org's hands and look where it went. I still don't believe for a second that this is due to me posting on any public mail list. FreeBSD's mail servers and/or lists of email addresses were somehow comprimised. I'm going to go ahead and CC the list (First time i've done this intentionally) with my bounceback so you can all see what started this and maybe have a deeper understanding rather than every one of you individually privately mailing me. I actually don't want the attention and wish this would all go away, but when someone attacks me I make it a point to always, always rebut. So if no one responds, I'm done. We've exchanged all the information we could, I've learned something (barely), and any more discussion is really pointless bickering amongst people who probably ALL thing spammers should be drawn and quartered. I've included the original spammer's headers too, in case someone wants to do anything about it. -- email saga below, read from bottom to top -- >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 25 14:03:57 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:34:05 -0800 (PST) From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] auto responder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED] automatic response This is a canned auto-reply to your recent email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Note: I sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] not root. -CL] Unfortunately, this address was recently forged in a large scale spam distributiom which we had nothing to do with. Even more unfortunately, we got an *insane* number of bounce messages. As a result we had to resort to an auto-responder. Your message has NOT been read by a human. If you need human assistance, use the following @freebsd.org addresses: questions@(problems finding, downloading or installing freebsd) [so this is a list doesn't say...i assumed it was one guy] ftpadm@ (regarding the contents of the ftp mirrors - corrupt files etc) hubs@ (dealing with mirrors, corrupt files on mirrors, etc) dnsadm@ (specific dns zone change instructions) ftp-master@ (access to ftp-master.*.freebsd.org) accounts@ (account creation and changes on the freebsd.org cluster) refadm@ (issues with the reference machines in the cluster) clusteradm@ (issues with the non-reference machines in the cluster) Also, see here for general information: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ Thank you. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:50:47 -0500 (EST) From: __Clint__ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [later, after bounce notice above, I resent it to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -CL] Subject: ! why? Why have you sold my email address to spammers? The "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" email was a one-time disposable email address that I only ever gave to FreeBSD.org. Now I am receiving spam email targeted at that address. An address I only gave YOU. Any suggestions or response? -Clint Lipinski -- Forwarded message -- Received: from stargate.co.uk (h75.n219-68-233.adsl.giga.net.tw [219.68.233.75]) by cowpie.acm.vt.edu (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with SMTP id i2OK4qwk067624; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:04:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Ahmad Haas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I`nc^rease `; D,ICK L_ENGT-Hpbyybsdoqym Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:01:39 + X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_70_80 [so
