Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Jerry McAllister]

On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 10:45:04PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

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> > Bill Moran wrote:
> >> Huh?
> >
> > The figure for PC-BSD in November was 6551.  When I checked earlier this
> > evening, it was 1997.  I suppose this does NOT mean that 4554 PC-BSD
> > users have kicked the bucket.  Probably, it means that many PC-BSD
> > systems have not YET reported to bsdstats in December.  I think this way
> > of doing it does not serve the following purpose:
> >
> >> The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for
> >> advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems.
> >
> > For the fulfillment of this noble mission, it would be better to display
> > statistics for the last complete month to casual visitors.  If people
> > want to see running counters, this could be done on a different page.
> 
> Actually, what we should do is put a 'History' page off that main one that 
> expands that chart to include the previous two or three months, as well as 
> this 
> one ... would be easier/faster to implement then a graph too ...
> 
> Antony?  Have a couple of minutes to whip that together?  Maybe do it similar 
> to the countries page, but instead of listing countries, list month/year? 
> maybe go back 6 months?

Gee, maybe you could mine the data to do a 'most recent 31 days' report.  
That should not show the dips and peaks in the middle of the month.

jerry


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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Wednesday, December 05, 2007 23:40:07 +0100 Tore Lund 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bill Moran wrote:
>> Huh?
>
> The figure for PC-BSD in November was 6551.  When I checked earlier this
> evening, it was 1997.  I suppose this does NOT mean that 4554 PC-BSD
> users have kicked the bucket.  Probably, it means that many PC-BSD
> systems have not YET reported to bsdstats in December.  I think this way
> of doing it does not serve the following purpose:
>
>> The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for
>> advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems.
>
> For the fulfillment of this noble mission, it would be better to display
> statistics for the last complete month to casual visitors.  If people
> want to see running counters, this could be done on a different page.

Actually, what we should do is put a 'History' page off that main one that 
expands that chart to include the previous two or three months, as well as this 
one ... would be easier/faster to implement then a graph too ...

Antony?  Have a couple of minutes to whip that together?  Maybe do it similar 
to the countries page, but instead of listing countries, list month/year? 
maybe go back 6 months?


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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Wednesday, December 05, 2007 21:22:29 +0100 Tore Lund 
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>> Percentage Change in November from October:
>>
>>Overall   - 2.5%
>>
>> Broken down as:
>>
>>DesktopBSD   + 31.8%  ( 737 hosts)
>>DragonFly+  9.5%  (  23 hosts)
>>FreeBSD  +  8.4%  (5008 hosts)
>>GNU/kFreeBSD -100.0%  (   0 hosts)
>>MidnightBSD  +133.3%  (  14 hosts)
>>MirBSD   - 28.6%  (   5 hosts)
>>NetBSD   +  7.2%  ( 119 hosts)
>>OpenBSD  + 11.3%  (  79 hosts)
>>PC-BSD   - 13.5%  (6551 hosts)
>
> When I go to www.bsdstats.org, I see these figures:
>
>   Systems
> This MonthPercentage
> FreeBSD   5,041   67.5 %
> PC-BSD1,997   26.7 %
> DesktopBSD241 3.2 %
> NetBSD99  1.3 %
> OpenBSD   56  0.7 %
> DragonFly 24  0.3 %
> MidnightBSD   12  0.2 %
>
> So, what's happening here?  Is it too early in December for some BSD
> varieties to report yet?  Whatever the answer, PC-BSD has hardly lost
> more than 2/3 of its users since November, so something is fishy here.

The above stats are the # of hosts that have reported in so far this month ... 
we get about 40% or so that report in on the 1st of each month, and the rest 
report in through the month to the end ...

If you look at:

  

You can see what the totals were like at the end of last month, as well as how 
things compare against this month so far ...

We hope to have some trends graphs put up on the site shortly, to show a better 
idea of month-to-month ...

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Tore Lund]

Bill Moran wrote:
> Huh?

The figure for PC-BSD in November was 6551.  When I checked earlier this
evening, it was 1997.  I suppose this does NOT mean that 4554 PC-BSD
users have kicked the bucket.  Probably, it means that many PC-BSD
systems have not YET reported to bsdstats in December.  I think this way
of doing it does not serve the following purpose:

> The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for
> advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems.

For the fulfillment of this noble mission, it would be better to display
statistics for the last complete month to casual visitors.  If people
want to see running counters, this could be done on a different page.

Just my not-so-humble opinion.
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Tore



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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Bill Moran]

In response to Tore Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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> > Percentage Change in November from October:
> > 
> >Overall   - 2.5%
> > 
> > Broken down as:
> > 
> >DesktopBSD   + 31.8%  ( 737 hosts)
> >DragonFly+  9.5%  (  23 hosts)
> >FreeBSD  +  8.4%  (5008 hosts)
> >GNU/kFreeBSD -100.0%  (   0 hosts)
> >MidnightBSD  +133.3%  (  14 hosts)
> >MirBSD   - 28.6%  (   5 hosts)
> >NetBSD   +  7.2%  ( 119 hosts)
> >OpenBSD  + 11.3%  (  79 hosts)
> >PC-BSD   - 13.5%  (6551 hosts)
> 
> When I go to www.bsdstats.org, I see these figures:
> 
>   Systems
> This MonthPercentage
> FreeBSD   5,041   67.5 %

Oh no!  This is now 5044!

> PC-BSD1,997   26.7 %
> DesktopBSD241 3.2 %
> NetBSD99  1.3 %
> OpenBSD   56  0.7 %
> DragonFly 24  0.3 %
> MidnightBSD   12  0.2 %
> 
> So, what's happening here?

When you install the stats program it registers you, then the sites
statistics get updated.

> Is it too early in December for some BSD
> varieties to report yet?

I've no idea what you're imagining this program does ...

> Whatever the answer, PC-BSD has hardly lost
> more than 2/3 of its users since November, so something is fishy here.

Huh?

> In any case, it would be nice to see a DATE somewhere on these pages.

Date of what?  The stats are live.

> Thanks for your efforts, BTW.  I just ran bsdstats myself.

See.  This is your fault, if people like you keep installing it, the
numbers will keep changing!

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Tore Lund]

Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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> Percentage Change in November from October:
> 
>Overall   - 2.5%
> 
> Broken down as:
> 
>DesktopBSD   + 31.8%  ( 737 hosts)
>DragonFly+  9.5%  (  23 hosts)
>FreeBSD  +  8.4%  (5008 hosts)
>GNU/kFreeBSD -100.0%  (   0 hosts)
>MidnightBSD  +133.3%  (  14 hosts)
>MirBSD   - 28.6%  (   5 hosts)
>NetBSD   +  7.2%  ( 119 hosts)
>OpenBSD  + 11.3%  (  79 hosts)
>PC-BSD   - 13.5%  (6551 hosts)

When I go to www.bsdstats.org, I see these figures:

Systems
This Month  Percentage
FreeBSD 5,041   67.5 %
PC-BSD  1,997   26.7 %
DesktopBSD  241 3.2 %
NetBSD  99  1.3 %
OpenBSD 56  0.7 %
DragonFly   24  0.3 %
MidnightBSD 12  0.2 %

So, what's happening here?  Is it too early in December for some BSD
varieties to report yet?  Whatever the answer, PC-BSD has hardly lost
more than 2/3 of its users since November, so something is fishy here.

In any case, it would be nice to see a DATE somewhere on these pages.

Thanks for your efforts, BTW.  I just ran bsdstats myself.
-- 
Tore

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Marc G. Fournier]

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- --On Tuesday, December 04, 2007 18:18:21 + Pollywog 
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> On Tuesday 04 December 2007 05:55:17 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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>>
>> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
>> set things up.
>
> Is it recommended to do this on more than one home machine running FreeBSD,
> or  just one of them?

All of them ... the code was written so that when you connect the first time, 
your machine will get a unique id to anonymously identify it for future 
transactions, which also ensure that multiple machines behind a NAT or proxy 
server will be reported individually ...

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Bill Moran]

In response to Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tuesday 04 December 2007 05:55:17 Marc G. Fournier wrote:
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> >
> > For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
> > set things up.
> 
> Is it recommended to do this on more than one home machine running FreeBSD, 
> or 
> just one of them?

Do this on every machine that you have running FreeBSD.

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Re: BSDstats: Stand up and be counted! -- November Statistics

[Pollywog]

On Tuesday 04 December 2007 05:55:17 Marc G. Fournier wrote:

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> For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to
> set things up.

Is it recommended to do this on more than one home machine running FreeBSD, or 
just one of them?

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