Re: Can I install packages only for my release?
[Rahul Fernandez] >> Hi, I shall certainly try installing a port instead. I am rather new >> to FreeBSD and am unclear as to how I can obtain new packages [Matthew Seaman] > ... Even better, use the ports tree. This may sound terrifying > ... but that's the beauty of the ports system. It reduces doing > all that right down to typing "make install" ... I went back to my notes on the problem I saw when the port system's autoconfiguration machinery seemed to go into an infinite loop. It appears (APPEARS, I must repeat) that the problem is that everything depends on pkginstall, but pkginstall's man pages depend on find files that depend on something else. My note ends ``make -k works around this.'' Greg, you got your ears up? I entered posted a bug report; I will if you poke me a little. __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Can I install packages only for my release?
On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 12:03:35AM -0800, Rahul Fernandez wrote: > > > > > The secret is that once you've installed the system, put away > > sysinstall(1). Learn how to use the system level commands for > > installing packages -- particularly pkg_add(1). Even better, use the > > ports tree. This may sound terrifying to the uninitiated: "what, you > > mean I should compile all this stuff from source?!" but that's the > > beauty of the ports system. > > Hi, Thanks for the response. I understand that the ports system is the most > up-to-date. However, if I choose to install a package (to install very large > packages like openoffice or mozilla say), am I am correct in thinking that I must > install from the the directory set aside for my release? If this is the case why > is it not a good idea to use sysinstall? No, you don't have to install from the per-release directory on the FTP site -- that's really only a record of the packages as shipped with the 4 CD release set. So long as you understand that a) you must choose a package compiled against a system with the same major version number; b) you should choose packages compiled against a system version that isn't too different from where you're going to install -- the wider the gap, the greater the possibility of things not working and c) you must update all of the package dependencies correctly before you update the package of interest, which means that if the package version of any dependency was updated between the package set when your original system was installed and the more recent package set you're using now, then you first have to update the dependency from the more recent set. If you've got all that, then go right ahead. On the other hand, using the ports system means that you don't have to worry about any of these considerations, especially if you use portupgrade(1), which will automate the dependency ordering for you. The other consideration is that for certain packages, you may want to install something that was generated outside the regular FreeBSD ports/packages system. The classic examples here are OpenOffice, where installing the packages from http://projects.imp.ch/openoffice/ is a very popular route, and the Diablo Java JDK and JRE packages available from http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/downloads/java.shtml Why not use sysinstall(8)? Basically, it's too simple minded. It's designed to be small and simple and to install packages from precisely the set supplied with the installation media. This is good for beginners (whose first exposure to FreeBSD is often via installing the system) but not up to the general professional standard of the system as a whole. Think of sysinstall as like the "training wheels" you had when you were trying to learn to ride a bike as a kid. Of course, my word is not law, and if sysinstall does what you want and you're happy with it, then carry right on using it. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can I install packages only for my release?
> > The secret is that once you've installed the system, put away > sysinstall(1). Learn how to use the system level commands for > installing packages -- particularly pkg_add(1). Even better, use the > ports tree. This may sound terrifying to the uninitiated: "what, you > mean I should compile all this stuff from source?!" but that's the > beauty of the ports system. Hi, Thanks for the response. I understand that the ports system is the most up-to-date. However, if I choose to install a package (to install very large packages like openoffice or mozilla say), am I am correct in thinking that I must install from the the directory set aside for my release? If this is the case why is it not a good idea to use sysinstall? Thanks, Rahul __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Can I install packages only for my release?
On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 12:53:49AM -0800, Rahul Fernandez wrote: > Hi, I shall certainly try installing a port instead. I am rather new > to FreeBSD and am unclear as to how I can obtain new packages. When I > run sysinstall, it does not offer new packages. Does that mean that > the new packages are not meant to be installed? Or is it the case > that I need to reconfigure it so that it looks in the correct place? > If the latter, does sysinstall or pkg_add know to deleter the old > version before installing the new one. Thanks for the replies. -Rahul The secret is that once you've installed the system, put away sysinstall(1). Learn how to use the system level commands for installing packages -- particularly pkg_add(1). Even better, use the ports tree. This may sound terrifying to the uninitiated: "what, you mean I should compile all this stuff from source?!" but that's the beauty of the ports system. It reduces doing all that right down to typing "make install" in the appropriate directory. It's all explained in the Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html While you're there, read about the two essential packages for managing your system: cvsup(1) and portupgrade(1) (use http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi if you haven't already installed those ports) and then congratulate yourself in choosing (IMHO) the most maintainable computer system available bar none. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can I install packages only for my release?
Hi, I shall certainly try installing a port instead. I am rather new to FreeBSD and am unclear as to how I can obtain new packages. When I run sysinstall, it does not offer new packages. Does that mean that the new packages are not meant to be installed? Or is it the case that I need to reconfigure it so that it looks in the correct place? If the latter, does sysinstall or pkg_add know to deleter the old version before installing the new one. Thanks for the replies. -Rahul --- paul beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2003, at 5:06 PM, Rahul Fernandez wrote: > > > Hi, I'm am running 4.9 release. A package called hpijs1.4.1 is > > installed. I now would like to upgrade to hpijs-1.5. However, > this > > package is only available in 4.9-stable. Can I install the > package > > from 4.9-stable or is it advisable to stick to the packages in my > > release? > > why not install it from a port? I use packages as a last resort, > and go > with ports first. > __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Can I install packages only for my release?
On Nov 20, 2003, at 5:06 PM, Rahul Fernandez wrote: Hi, I'm am running 4.9 release. A package called hpijs1.4.1 is installed. I now would like to upgrade to hpijs-1.5. However, this package is only available in 4.9-stable. Can I install the package from 4.9-stable or is it advisable to stick to the packages in my release? why not install it from a port? I use packages as a last resort, and go with ports first. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Can I install packages only for my release?
On Thursday 20 November 2003 05:06 pm, Rahul Fernandez wrote: > Hi, I'm am running 4.9 release. A package called hpijs1.4.1 is > installed. I now would like to upgrade to hpijs-1.5. However, this > package is only available in 4.9-stable. Can I install the package > from 4.9-stable or is it advisable to stick to the packages in my > release? Thanks, Rahul > There is no such thing as a 4.9 port. There were ports that were snapshoted when 4.9 was released but the tag on ports is "." or head only. Go for it :) Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
