Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 06 August 2004 04:58, Brett Glass wrote: http://eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=26805631 Probably not. Intel isn't going to keep exactly the same architecture as AMD has now. They'll make a few minor ajustments to fine-tune their CPU. Cheers, Jorn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBEz+vs2lBCry7iusRAgenAKCARiNDvqkxBf4VGLnySrQGUlKTmACcCd34 ZhNk5aexG41RD85kMLZ1sKs= =N58h -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
On 050804, 20:58, Brett Glass wrote: http://eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=26805631 You should look at the IA64 port, not the AMD64. Cheers -- Massimiliano Stucchi WillyStudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.willystudios.com/max/ pgpIcVzNs8K1y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
On Aug 6, 2004, at 2:42 AM, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: On 050804, 20:58, Brett Glass wrote: http://eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=26805631 You should look at the IA64 port, not the AMD64. Why? This Intel chip referenced is NOT an IA64 architecture. It is Intels EM64T 64/32 bit architecture based on Xeon/P4 and compatible with the AMD64 stuff Chad ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
it was said: On Aug 6, 2004, at 2:42 AM, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: On 050804, 20:58, Brett Glass wrote: http://eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=26805631 You should look at the IA64 port, not the AMD64. Why? This Intel chip referenced is NOT an IA64 architecture. It is Intels EM64T 64/32 bit architecture based on Xeon/P4 and compatible with the AMD64 stuff Chad Hello, Actually, what it says is, Intel's extensions, which it first used in the Xeon and are called EM64T, are compatible with AMD's extensions. I wouldn't infer that to mean more than it says: Intel's _extensions_ are compatible AMD's _extensions_. A quick experiment would tell. Because these same extensions exist in the Xeon, by your reasoning, the AMD64 codebase should run on a Xeon platform, nee? Regards, Stheg __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 06 August 2004 04:58, Brett Glass wrote: http://eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=26805631 Probably not. Intel isn't going to keep exactly the same architecture as AMD has now. They'll make a few minor ajustments to fine-tune their CPU. According to the Intel people that I've talked to where I work (a big blue company that isn't Dell), AMD64 and EM64T are the same on the opcode level. Thus, code built for AMD64 will work unmodified on EM64T and vice versa. (It would be silly for Intel to do otherwise, as they don't want to risk losing any support from the community and market share that AMD has worked hard to establish.) While Intel (or AMD) may make changes to the underlying silicon to make things better than their competitors (ie, larger caches, different pipeline architecture, etc), they are committed to maintain compatibility between AMD64 and EM64T. -- Matt ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
At 09:06 PM 8/6/2004, Matt Emmerton wrote: While Intel (or AMD) may make changes to the underlying silicon to make things better than their competitors (ie, larger caches, different pipeline architecture, etc), they are committed to maintain compatibility between AMD64 and EM64T. This is good to know. Has anyone tested the AMD64 version of FreeBSD on one of the Intel Xeons with the new instruction set? --Brett ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
At 09:06 PM 8/6/2004, Matt Emmerton wrote: While Intel (or AMD) may make changes to the underlying silicon to make things better than their competitors (ie, larger caches, different pipeline architecture, etc), they are committed to maintain compatibility between AMD64 and EM64T. This is good to know. Has anyone tested the AMD64 version of FreeBSD on one of the Intel Xeons with the new instruction set? If you would like to ship me one, I'd gladly test it out for you. See my web site for my address. -- Matt Emmerton ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
That, however, is where the similarities end. The Nocona chip is only 64bit on the outside, the internals are essentially built on a 32 bit legacy system. The end result is that AMD is pure 64 bit and intel's chip just won't keep up when full 64 bit code hits the market. The new code will sing on AMD, but won't run a bit faster on intel's chip. Even Intel has acknowledged their flaws. The current issue of infoworld (http://www.infoworld.com) has the full story on it. Matt Emmerton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 06 August 2004 04:58, Brett Glass wrote: http://eetimes.com/semi/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=26805631 Probably not. Intel isn't going to keep exactly the same architecture as AMD has now. They'll make a few minor ajustments to fine-tune their CPU. According to the Intel people that I've talked to where I work (a big blue company that isn't Dell), AMD64 and EM64T are the same on the opcode level. Thus, code built for AMD64 will work unmodified on EM64T and vice versa. (It would be silly for Intel to do otherwise, as they don't want to risk losing any support from the community and market share that AMD has worked hard to establish.) While Intel (or AMD) may make changes to the underlying silicon to make things better than their competitors (ie, larger caches, different pipeline architecture, etc), they are committed to maintain compatibility between AMD64 and EM64T. -- Matt ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Does the AMD64 version of FreeBSD run on this?
At 09:18 PM 8/6/2004, Matt Emmerton wrote: If you would like to ship me one, I'd gladly test it out for you. If I had one to ship, *I* would test it. But I need to know PRIOR to purchase. --Brett Glass ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
