Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
On 12/18/06, David Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really need some other OS as the host OS is a perfectly valid response too. I run VMware Server on Ubuntu (one of the supported Linux host flavours, and the only one I'm prepared to put up with), hosting currently two Windows Server 2003 and two FreeBSD 6.x VMs on a Dell 1855 blade. While I haven't performed any benchmarks (benchmarks inside a VM are tricky to get right) I can report no noticable performance problems with the workload the machines have to handle. The Windows machines are a small fileserver and a WSUS server; the FreeBSD machines are performing spam-assassination and NFS serving. vmware1$ uptime 16:27:45 up 66 days, 5:17, 1 user, load average: 0.27, 0.56, 0.54 I have a FreeBSD-based PXE server running in Workstation 5.5 on my desktop, and have had success running FreeBSD 4.x under ESX Server 2.5.x in a previous life. /JMS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/18/06 8:32 AM, James Seward wrote: On 12/18/06, David Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really need some other OS as the host OS is a perfectly valid response too. I run VMware Server on Ubuntu (one of the supported Linux host flavours, and the only one I'm prepared to put up with), hosting currently two Windows Server 2003 and two FreeBSD 6.x VMs on a Dell 1855 blade. While I haven't performed any benchmarks (benchmarks inside a VM are tricky to get right) I can report no noticable performance problems with the workload the machines have to handle. The Windows machines are a small fileserver and a WSUS server; the FreeBSD machines are performing spam-assassination and NFS serving. vmware1$ uptime 16:27:45 up 66 days, 5:17, 1 user, load average: 0.27, 0.56, 0.54 I have a FreeBSD-based PXE server running in Workstation 5.5 on my desktop, and have had success running FreeBSD 4.x under ESX Server 2.5.x in a previous life. Thanks very much. I too have run FreeBSD as a guest OS under various VMware flavors for years. My question is whether FreeBSD is a suitable _host_ OS for any virtual machine environment, preferably with support for SMP, amd64, and guest OS speed at or close to native hardware speeds. Thanks again! dn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFhs3zyPxGVjntI4IRAnPAAKDxgpRIKN+s0anO6Ct8MOdf86Kh6ACeN0N+ 6qknCmjZWaC0KSeRW0W2SsI= =HIuy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
In response to David Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My question is whether FreeBSD is a suitable _host_ OS for any virtual machine environment, preferably with support for SMP, amd64, and guest OS speed at or close to native hardware speeds. *) jails provide virtual hosting at native speed, but _only_ for FreeBSD guests. i.e., you can't run Linux in a FreeBSD jail *) qemu works well on FreeBSD in my experience, but there is a considerable performance hit. *) Xen should give you what you want, but I've no information on the status of Xen on FreeBSD at this time. HTH -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
Anybody knows what's Xen status ?? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Moran wrote: In response to David Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My question is whether FreeBSD is a suitable _host_ OS for any virtual machine environment, preferably with support for SMP, amd64, and guest OS speed at or close to native hardware speeds. *) jails provide virtual hosting at native speed, but _only_ for FreeBSD guests. i.e., you can't run Linux in a FreeBSD jail *) qemu works well on FreeBSD in my experience, but there is a considerable performance hit. *) Xen should give you what you want, but I've no information on the status of Xen on FreeBSD at this time. HTH Try qemu. Some people on this list (or maybe other FreeBSD lists--can't remember :P), have reported success in using qemu as the host VM. Xen is a royal pain, even though it is fast. I tried setting it up once under Gentoo and it was trying to load a lot of services at boottime, pulled in custom (Xen) kernel patched sources, etc. Needless to say, the Xen patched kernel sources was the show stopper, because one never knows what in the world the patches may do if installed with other patches. Moreover, the Xen patches may wreak havoc with userland programs (like Linux does on occasion), etc. Just my .02.. qemu has a kernel module, but if you don't feel like tainting the kernel with an alpha feature, their userland(-only) program is fairly stable from what I have read. - -Garrett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFhtuWEnKyINQw/HARAiU+AJ90UsopFNrxLn4/tEPObrgC8X/FRACfaJO1 D7jmswA5nlJ+zks2WTLJMR0= =U6GQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
Hello, Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but you could also try BOCHS. It's a little slower, but runs on many platforms. Cheers, Lonnie Garrett Cooper wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Moran wrote: In response to David Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My question is whether FreeBSD is a suitable _host_ OS for any virtual machine environment, preferably with support for SMP, amd64, and guest OS speed at or close to native hardware speeds. *) jails provide virtual hosting at native speed, but _only_ for FreeBSD guests. i.e., you can't run Linux in a FreeBSD jail *) qemu works well on FreeBSD in my experience, but there is a considerable performance hit. *) Xen should give you what you want, but I've no information on the status of Xen on FreeBSD at this time. HTH Try qemu. Some people on this list (or maybe other FreeBSD lists--can't remember :P), have reported success in using qemu as the host VM. Xen is a royal pain, even though it is fast. I tried setting it up once under Gentoo and it was trying to load a lot of services at boottime, pulled in custom (Xen) kernel patched sources, etc. Needless to say, the Xen patched kernel sources was the show stopper, because one never knows what in the world the patches may do if installed with other patches. Moreover, the Xen patches may wreak havoc with userland programs (like Linux does on occasion), etc. Just my .02.. qemu has a kernel module, but if you don't feel like tainting the kernel with an alpha feature, their userland(-only) program is fairly stable from what I have read. - -Garrett -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFhtuWEnKyINQw/HARAiU+AJ90UsopFNrxLn4/tEPObrgC8X/FRACfaJO1 D7jmswA5nlJ+zks2WTLJMR0= =U6GQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks and have a good day, Lonnie T. Cumberland OutStep Technologies Incorporated Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Open Source.. opening the doors for the future in the world of today ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
On Monday 18 December 2006 18:19, Garrett Cooper wrote: Bill Moran wrote: In response to David Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My question is whether FreeBSD is a suitable _host_ OS for any virtual machine environment, preferably with support for SMP, amd64, and guest OS speed at or close to native hardware speeds. *) jails provide virtual hosting at native speed, but _only_ for FreeBSD guests. i.e., you can't run Linux in a FreeBSD jail *) qemu works well on FreeBSD in my experience, but there is a considerable performance hit. *) Xen should give you what you want, but I've no information on the status of Xen on FreeBSD at this time. HTH Try qemu. Some people on this list (or maybe other FreeBSD lists--can't remember :P), have reported success in using qemu as the host VM. Xen is a royal pain, even though it is fast. I tried setting it up once under Gentoo and it was trying to load a lot of services at boottime, pulled in custom (Xen) kernel patched sources, etc. Needless to say, the Xen patched kernel sources was the show stopper, because one never knows what in the world the patches may do if installed with other patches. Moreover, the Xen patches may wreak havoc with userland programs (like Linux does on occasion), etc. Just my .02.. qemu has a kernel module, but if you don't feel like tainting the kernel with an alpha feature, their userland(-only) program is fairly stable from what I have read. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use qemu here. I run a windows XP pro VM and a FEDORA CORE 5 VM, inside a FreeBSD host, with kqemu mod loaded. This make a huge diff in performance. The install for both OSes were slow but it's perfectly OK if you take into account the disk emulation and all. Besides that, no complains whatsoever !. Native speed ? on a VM ? only in jail ( I think) or dual boot, but qemu comes pretty close. I have them hooked on a bridged network, with sound. and a big plus: no linux emulation required (like vmware, which I tried to try but serial numbers and linux stuff made me give up) I hope this helps -- //| //| // |// | // // | // // -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ipad.com.br (FreeBSD since 2.2.8 - 100% Rwindows-free) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
Mario Lobo wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 18:19, Garrett Cooper wrote: Bill Moran wrote: In response to David Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My question is whether FreeBSD is a suitable _host_ OS for any virtual machine environment, preferably with support for SMP, amd64, and guest OS speed at or close to native hardware speeds. *) jails provide virtual hosting at native speed, but _only_ for FreeBSD guests. i.e., you can't run Linux in a FreeBSD jail *) qemu works well on FreeBSD in my experience, but there is a considerable performance hit. *) Xen should give you what you want, but I've no information on the status of Xen on FreeBSD at this time. HTH Try qemu. Some people on this list (or maybe other FreeBSD lists--can't remember :P), have reported success in using qemu as the host VM. Xen is a royal pain, even though it is fast. I tried setting it up once under Gentoo and it was trying to load a lot of services at boottime, pulled in custom (Xen) kernel patched sources, etc. Needless to say, the Xen patched kernel sources was the show stopper, because one never knows what in the world the patches may do if installed with other patches. Moreover, the Xen patches may wreak havoc with userland programs (like Linux does on occasion), etc. Just my .02.. qemu has a kernel module, but if you don't feel like tainting the kernel with an alpha feature, their userland(-only) program is fairly stable from what I have read. -Garrett I use qemu here. I run a windows XP pro VM and a FEDORA CORE 5 VM, inside a FreeBSD host, with kqemu mod loaded. This make a huge diff in performance. The install for both OSes were slow but it's perfectly OK if you take into account the disk emulation and all. Besides that, no complains whatsoever !. Native speed ? on a VM ? only in jail ( I think) or dual boot, but qemu comes pretty close. I have them hooked on a bridged network, with sound. and a big plus: no linux emulation required (like vmware, which I tried to try but serial numbers and linux stuff made me give up) I hope this helps Your success with kqemu probably depends on what architecture you are running though, because some things may run solid on i386, but x64, ppc, sparc(n), etc may not agree with kqemu as much.. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
On Monday 18 December 2006 09:03, David Newman wrote: This page compares various virtual machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines Unfortunately it appears very few support FreeBSD as a host OS. I would greatly appreciate advice, anecdotes, or cautionary tales of any VMs that: - run on FreeBSD (amd64 or x86) as a host OS - run *nix guest OSs at or near native speed You really need some other OS as the host OS is a perfectly valid response too. many thanks dn partially afraid of being flamed, but im sure most will understand, but when i recently downsized my operation into virtual machines on a single host, i chose linux with the free vmware-server. vmware offers any type of networking set up i need, as well as consoles over the web or applications (in linux or windows), and on top of that, vmware server has full sets of vmware-tools that will control freebsd guests perfectly (ie, when i call shutdown on the host, each guests shuts down properly as the host waits for each one). i have 5 (production) separate servers running as guests, and they run well enough that i cant really even tell they are virtual. i really think bang for the buck, linux/vmware is the way to go for a production level VM setup. cheers, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
Jonathan Horne wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 09:03, David Newman wrote: This page compares various virtual machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines Unfortunately it appears very few support FreeBSD as a host OS. I would greatly appreciate advice, anecdotes, or cautionary tales of any VMs that: - run on FreeBSD (amd64 or x86) as a host OS - run *nix guest OSs at or near native speed You really need some other OS as the host OS is a perfectly valid response too. many thanks dn partially afraid of being flamed, but im sure most will understand, but when i recently downsized my operation into virtual machines on a single host, i chose linux with the free vmware-server. vmware offers any type of networking set up i need, as well as consoles over the web or applications (in linux or windows), and on top of that, vmware server has full sets of vmware-tools that will control freebsd guests perfectly (ie, when i call shutdown on the host, each guests shuts down properly as the host waits for each one). i have 5 (production) separate servers running as guests, and they run well enough that i cant really even tell they are virtual. i really think bang for the buck, linux/vmware is the way to go for a production level VM setup. cheers, jonathan This is assuming that you have APM setup though on the client OS? I agree though, vmware is a good product in Windows / Linux. Too bad they don't directly support FreeBSD though. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD as VM host OS?
On Monday 18 December 2006 19:47, Garrett Cooper wrote:
This is assuming that you have APM setup though on the client OS? I
agree though, vmware is a good product in Windows / Linux. Too bad they
don't directly support FreeBSD though.
-Garrett
well, the freebsd guests install just as normally as any real machine. it
even recognized the ACPI without any trouble. the vmware-tools install a
daemon that listens to commands from the host, and will reboot (kinda like
ctrl-alt-del on the console) or poweroff the guest via buttons on the remote
console, or by rebooting/shutting down the host.
i will note, that the freebsd tools need a quick patch (whipped up by someone
who appears to be a vmware employee, from the vmware forums) to completly
acpi-poweroff the guests. this patch:
--- vmware-tools.sh.bak Mon Sep 11 11:36:27 2006
+++ vmware-tools.sh Wed Nov 1 13:09:47 2006
@@ -609,6 +609,7 @@
# Start the guest OS daemon
vmware_start_guestd() {
cd $vmdb_answer_SBINDIR $vmdb_answer_SBINDIR/vmware-guestd \
+--halt-command /sbin/shutdown -p now \
--background $GUESTD_PID_FILE
}
does the trick. (changes the command that the daemon issues from 'shutdown
now' to shutdown -p now').
my email, web, and 2 dns servers, are all virtual machines running on a single
linux host. they run fantastic, and i couldnt be more pleased with their
performance.
cheers,
jonathan
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