Re: Is Freebsd graphical?

2004-05-20 Thread Rowdy
Doug Lawrence wrote:
I am very new to anything but Windows and some MAC. I bought a retail
 box of 4.7 about 2 years ago.It had no printed material.I tried for
 about a month to get it up and running but I gave up. I was to new.
I talked to people in my department about how to learn the program
and they suggested I get Redhat 9 off our UCI mirror site. I have
done that and have learned a  lot over about  one year.I got a copy
of 5.2.1 off your site and began again.I have done ok now but have
questions.I understand what I should be doing to install but areas I
believe I should select ALL I cann't figure out how to select the all
choice.One spot I select all and the next screen says no packages
selected and I cann't backup.This time I am not giving up. Can you
help me get back on track?  Doug Lawrence
These couple of links, especially the second one, might assist you in
setting up a graphical FreeBSD installation.
http://www.newsforge.com/os/04/01/05/211225.shtml?tid=8&tid=82&tid=94
http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=272
Dave
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Re: Is Freebsd graphical?

2004-05-20 Thread Jud
On Thu, 20 May 2004 19:41:54 -0400, Bill Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

Doug Lawrence wrote:
I am very new to anything but Windows and some MAC. I bought a retail  
box of 4.7 about 2 years ago.It had no printed material.I tried for  
about a month to get it up and running but I gave up. I was to new. I  
talked to people in my department about how to learn the program and  
they suggested I get Redhat 9 off our UCI mirror site. I have done that  
and have learned a  lot over about  one year.I got a copy of 5.2.1 off  
your site and began again.I have done ok now but have questions.I  
understand what I should be doing to install but areas I believe I  
should select ALL I cann't figure out how to select the all choice.One  
spot I select all and the next screen says no packages selected and I  
cann't backup.This time I am not giving up. Can you help me get back on  
track?  Doug Lawrence
[snip]
Based on the subject of your email, I'm guessing you're getting  
frustrated
by the fact that your FreeBSD installs end up with a text login instead  
of
a graphical login.  If you _are_ successfully getting to the point that
you have a text login, then congratulations!  You've actually succeeded  
in
installing FreeBSD, you simply have to go through the manual process of
configuring XFree86 on your machine (RedHat systems, by contrast, have an
automatic XFree86 configure program that does this for you)

I recommend that you read through this chapter of the handbook:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html
and proceed with setting up XFree86.  If you hit specific problems, don't
hesitate to ask for help on this list again.
In case it actually is selecting things during the installation procedure  
that is a problem, here are tips and a general recommendation.

Tips:  Often it's the space bar that selects or deselects a choice, and  
there is also a key to step back in the installation (escape, maybe? can't  
remember for sure).  You may also need to tab or use the arrow keys in  
order to highlight selections before choosing them.

General recommendation:  The Handbook's installation guide is excellent -  
print it out and have it with you when you install.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html>

Jud
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Re: Is Freebsd graphical?

2004-05-20 Thread Bill Moran
Doug Lawrence wrote:
I am very new to anything but Windows and some MAC. I bought a retail 
box of 4.7 about 2 years ago.It had no printed material.I tried for 
about a month to get it up and running but I gave up. I was to new. I 
talked to people in my department about how to learn the program and 
they suggested I get Redhat 9 off our UCI mirror site. I have done that 
and have learned a  lot over about  one year.I got a copy of 5.2.1 off 
your site and began again.I have done ok now but have questions.I 
understand what I should be doing to install but areas I believe I 
should select ALL I cann't figure out how to select the all choice.One 
spot I select all and the next screen says no packages selected and I 
cann't backup.This time I am not giving up. Can you help me get back on 
track?  Doug Lawrence
You're hitting up against a major difference in the design mentality of
FreeBSD compared to just about any other software out there.
FreeBSD is developed primarily as a server operating system for people
knowledgable about Unix.  That's not to say that it won't work as a
desktop operating system for the average Joe ... my mother is completely
computer illiterate and she uses FreeBSD on her computer ... she didn't
install it, though.
This isn't because the FreeBSD folks don't care about the average Joe
who wants FreeBSD on his/her desktop, it's because the _volunteers_ who
develop FreeBSD are simply more interested in making the most technically
advanced multi-user operating system available, and that takes a lot of
work, but they only have so many hours in a day.
Once you've got FreeBSD installed and configured, I'm sure you'll find it
just as easy to use as Redhat ... getting to that point takes a bit more
work.  As I'm sure you've already noticed, Redhat has an option to
configure it for workstation use, while FreeBSD has no such install
option.  This means that you'll have to _manually_ tweak the configuration
for workstation use, after doing a generic install.  The bad news is that
this is a bit of work to get done.  The good news is that you'll learn a
lot in the process, and there is plenty of documentation to help you out.
Based on the subject of your email, I'm guessing you're getting frustrated
by the fact that your FreeBSD installs end up with a text login instead of
a graphical login.  If you _are_ successfully getting to the point that
you have a text login, then congratulations!  You've actually succeeded in
installing FreeBSD, you simply have to go through the manual process of
configuring XFree86 on your machine (RedHat systems, by contrast, have an
automatic XFree86 configure program that does this for you)
I recommend that you read through this chapter of the handbook:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html
and proceed with setting up XFree86.  If you hit specific problems, don't
hesitate to ask for help on this list again.
--
Bill Moran
Potential Technologies
http://www.potentialtech.com
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