Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-21 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:34:08 +0200
Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This might be slow as well.
 
  Section Extensions
  Option  Composite Enable
  EndSection  

yes, this will DEFINITELY kill your performance. even with 3D accel enabled on 
my Radeon M24 X600 composite is quite slow (not as much as with 3d..but still).



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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-21 Thread Alberto Rizzi
Norberto Meijome ha scritto:
 On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:34:08 +0200
 Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 This might be slow as well.

 Section Extensions
 Option  Composite Enable
 EndSection  
 
 yes, this will DEFINITELY kill your performance. even with 3D accel enabled 
 on my Radeon M24 X600 composite is quite slow (not as much as with 3d..but 
 still).
 

Sorry for the noise. I solved the problem

XAA is enabled, so 2D acceleration is enabled.

My system isn't slow, but only Thunderbird and Acroread are slow. Other
programs like opera, pidgin, inkscape, abiword, gnumeric, . work
without problems at normal speed.

TB and Acroread are the programs (with gui) I use the most under
FreeBSD. TB is not so slow under XP

I will look for alternatives to Thunderbird and Acrobat Reader

The composite extension is enabled in xorg but unused in XFCE, so I will
disable it in my xorg.conf

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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-20 Thread Alberto Rizzi
Norberto Meijome ha scritto:
 On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:44:12 +0200
 Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have a motherboard with a via PT880 and an agp video card Radeon 9600XT

 I'm using 6-STABLE with device agp in the kernel configuration file
 but the system doesn't create /dev/agpgart device
 
 Hi Alberto,
 have you loaded radeon.ko ?
 
Now radeon and drm are compiled in the kernel. But I have the same
problem also if radeon and drm are dynamic modules.
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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-20 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:18:29 +0200
Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Norberto Meijome ha scritto:
  On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:44:12 +0200
  Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I have a motherboard with a via PT880 and an agp video card Radeon 9600XT
 
  I'm using 6-STABLE with device agp in the kernel configuration file
  but the system doesn't create /dev/agpgart device
  
  Hi Alberto,
  have you loaded radeon.ko ?
  
 Now radeon and drm are compiled in the kernel. But I have the same
 problem also if radeon and drm are dynamic modules.

loading the modules would have done the same as building into it, with no build 
time :)

sorry, I don't know ... so you still dont get any information about the card in 
dmesg and pciconf still shows the card as none: ... ? 

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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-20 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:07:34PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote:
 On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:18:29 +0200
 Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Norberto Meijome ha scritto:
   On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:44:12 +0200
   Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   I have a motherboard with a via PT880 and an agp video card Radeon 9600XT
  
   I'm using 6-STABLE with device agp in the kernel configuration file
   but the system doesn't create /dev/agpgart device
   
   Hi Alberto,
   have you loaded radeon.ko ?
   
  Now radeon and drm are compiled in the kernel. But I have the same
  problem also if radeon and drm are dynamic modules.
 
 loading the modules would have done the same as building into it, with
 no build time :)
 
 sorry, I don't know ... so you still dont get any information about
 the card in dmesg and pciconf still shows the card as none: ... ?

The latest chip that is supported by radeon  drm for 3D accelleration
is the 9250 aka RV 280. The 9600 is much newer. It is only supported in
2D by Xorg's radeon driver. See radeon(4):

   RV360   Radeon 9600XT (2d only)

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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-20 Thread Alberto Rizzi
Roland Smith ha scritto:
 On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:07:34PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote:
 On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:18:29 +0200
 Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Norberto Meijome ha scritto:
 On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:44:12 +0200
 Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a motherboard with a via PT880 and an agp video card Radeon 9600XT

 I'm using 6-STABLE with device agp in the kernel configuration file
 but the system doesn't create /dev/agpgart device
 Hi Alberto,
 have you loaded radeon.ko ?

 Now radeon and drm are compiled in the kernel. But I have the same
 problem also if radeon and drm are dynamic modules.
 loading the modules would have done the same as building into it, with
 no build time :)

 sorry, I don't know ... so you still dont get any information about
 the card in dmesg and pciconf still shows the card as none: ... ?
 
 The latest chip that is supported by radeon  drm for 3D accelleration
 is the 9250 aka RV 280. The 9600 is much newer. It is only supported in
 2D by Xorg's radeon driver. See radeon(4):
 
RV360   Radeon 9600XT (2d only)
 
 Roland

Ok I know this, but I want 2D acceleration, but without /dev/agpgart I
don't have neither 3D nor 2D.
Am I right?
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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-20 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 06:44:21PM +0200, Alberto Rizzi wrote:
 Roland Smith ha scritto:
  On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 11:07:34PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote:
  On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:18:29 +0200
  Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Norberto Meijome ha scritto:
  On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:44:12 +0200
  Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have a motherboard with a via PT880 and an agp video card Radeon 
  9600XT
 
  I'm using 6-STABLE with device agp in the kernel configuration file
  but the system doesn't create /dev/agpgart device
  Hi Alberto,
  have you loaded radeon.ko ?
 
  Now radeon and drm are compiled in the kernel. But I have the same
  problem also if radeon and drm are dynamic modules.
  loading the modules would have done the same as building into it, with
  no build time :)
 
  sorry, I don't know ... so you still dont get any information about
  the card in dmesg and pciconf still shows the card as none: ... ?
  
  The latest chip that is supported by radeon  drm for 3D accelleration
  is the 9250 aka RV 280. The 9600 is much newer. It is only supported in
  2D by Xorg's radeon driver. See radeon(4):
  
 RV360   Radeon 9600XT (2d only)
  
  Roland
 Ok I know this, but I want 2D acceleration, but without /dev/agpgart I
 don't have neither 3D nor 2D.
 Am I right?

Reading radeon(4) it implies that agp is only used when DRI is
enabled. The AGP options and the BusType option are only used when DRI
is enabled. It doesn't look like you need AGP for the 2D support.

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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-20 Thread Alberto Rizzi
Roland Smith ha scritto:
 On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 06:44:21PM +0200, Alberto Rizzi wrote:
 Ok I know this, but I want 2D acceleration, but without /dev/agpgart I
 don't have neither 3D nor 2D.
 Am I right?
 
 Reading radeon(4) it implies that agp is only used when DRI is
 enabled. The AGP options and the BusType option are only used when DRI
 is enabled. It doesn't look like you need AGP for the 2D support.
 
 Roland
My pc is P4 2.4GHz and Radeon 9600XT but Xorg 7.2 with Xfce4 (but also
with wmii or other window manager) is very sloow

How can I check whether 2D acceleration is active or not?
How can I improve performances?
My xorg.conf is

Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

Section Files
RgbPath  /usr/local/share/X11/rgb
ModulePath   /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
FontPath /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
EndSection

Section Module
Load  extmod
Load  record
Load  dbe
Load  glx
Load  GLcore
Load  xtrap
Load  dri
Load  freetype
Load  type1
EndSection

Section Extensions
Option  Composite Enable
EndSection  

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Keyboard0
Driver  kbd
#Option XkbRules xorg
#   Option  XkbModel pc102
Option  XkbLayout it
#   Option  XkbOptions eurosign:e   
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/sysmouse
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
EndSection

Section Monitor
#DisplaySize  320   240 # mm
Identifier   Monitor0
VendorName   VSC
ModelNameE70f-5
 ### Comment all HorizSync and VertRefresh values to use DDC:
#   HorizSync30.0 - 72.0
#   VertRefresh  50.0 - 160.0
Option  DPMS
EndSection

Section Device
Option  AGPMode   8
Option  AGPFastWrite  on
Option  AccelMethod   XAA
Option  EnablePageFlip1
Option  ColorTiling   1
Identifier  Card0
Driver  radeon
VendorName  ATI Technologies Inc
BoardName   RV350 AR [Radeon 9600]
BusID   PCI:1:0:0
#   Identifier  Card0
#   Driver  ati
#   VendorName  ATI Technologies Inc
#   BoardName   RV350 AR [Radeon 9600]
#   BusID   PCI:1:0:0
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Card0
MonitorMonitor0
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection Display
Viewport0 0
Modes   1152x864
Depth   24
EndSubSection
EndSection


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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-20 Thread Roland Smith
On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 10:10:01PM +0200, Alberto Rizzi wrote:
 Roland Smith ha scritto:
  On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 06:44:21PM +0200, Alberto Rizzi wrote:
  Ok I know this, but I want 2D acceleration, but without /dev/agpgart I
  don't have neither 3D nor 2D.
  Am I right?
  
  Reading radeon(4) it implies that agp is only used when DRI is
  enabled. The AGP options and the BusType option are only used when DRI
  is enabled. It doesn't look like you need AGP for the 2D support.
  
  Roland
 My pc is P4 2.4GHz and Radeon 9600XT but Xorg 7.2 with Xfce4 (but also
 with wmii or other window manager) is very sloow
 
 How can I check whether 2D acceleration is active or not?

grep Accel /var/log/Xorg.0.log

In my case this shows:
(**) RADEON(0): Initializing Acceleration
(II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
(II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled

 How can I improve performances?
 My xorg.conf is

You can remove GLcore, and dri, they're not supported on 9600XT yet.

   Load  GLcore
   Load  xtrap
   Load  dri
   Load  freetype
   Load  type1
 EndSection
 
This might be slow as well.

 Section Extensions
   Option  Composite Enable
 EndSection

According to radeon(4):

   Option RenderAccel boolean
  Enables  or  disables hardware Render acceleration.  This driver
  does not support component alpha (subpixel)  rendering.   It  is
  only  supported  on  Radeon  series  up  to  and  including 9200
  (9500/9700 and newer unsupported).  The  default  is  to  enable
  Render acceleration.

 Section Device

I think you can remove these five Options, because your hardware doesn't
support them.

   Option  AGPMode   8
   Option  AGPFastWrite  on
   Option  AccelMethod   XAA
   Option  EnablePageFlip1
   Option  ColorTiling   1
   Identifier  Card0
   Driver  radeon
   VendorName  ATI Technologies Inc
   BoardName   RV350 AR [Radeon 9600]
   BusID   PCI:1:0:0

A couple of years ago, ATI released programming documentation for
radeons up to 9250 (rv280). So those are very well supported by
Xorg. Documentation for newer models was hard/impossible to obtain for a
long time. But recently an open source driver for the r500 chips called
xf86-video-avivo was announced, and AMD has committed itself to release
open source drivers for ATI cards was well.

So you could look for an older 9200 card, or wait for the new drivers.

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Re: Missing /dev/agpgart

2007-06-19 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:44:12 +0200
Alberto Rizzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a motherboard with a via PT880 and an agp video card Radeon 9600XT
 
 I'm using 6-STABLE with device agp in the kernel configuration file
 but the system doesn't create /dev/agpgart device

Hi Alberto,
have you loaded radeon.ko ?

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