Re: OT Re: mozilla stalls
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 05:21:13PM -0700, Wayne Lubin wrote: > > --- Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:50:12AM -0500, Matthew > > Bettinger wrote: > > > On Thursday 03 July 2003 10:44 am, Matt Heath > > wrote: > > > > >I've had a recurring issue with Mozilla and > > Firebird (was Phoenix): > > > > >The browsers will stall in a seemingly > > non-deterministic fashion. > > > > > > > > I get that too > > > > > > My mozilla will hang for a few minutes when I > > enter a url in the > > > location bar. If I fire it up and click on the > > link that are already > > > there it's fine. The moment I try to type a new > > URL in the bar it just > > > hangs. I am using the nvidia drivers on bsd 4.8. > > Never had a problem > > > (that I can recall) until I installed the nvidia > > drivers.. could be > > > wrong tho. > > > > I you go into Mozilla preferences, under Advanced : > > Keyboard > > Navigation and disable Find As You Type, then you'll > > avoid the several > > minutes of hang the first time you try and type into > > a text field or > > the location bar. Presumably the same trick would > > work with Firebird, > > but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a > > control for disabling > > that "feature". > > > > I don't think this has anything to do with the video > > hardware or > > drivers you're using -- I guess that was just a > > coincidence. You must > > have installed or upgraded Mozilla around the same > > time. This pausing > > thing was introduced around the same time as Mozilla > > 1.3 was released. > > It's not just FreeBSD that suffers either. There > > have been bug > > reports in Mozilla's Bugzilla DB for some time, but > > the problem still > > persists. > there is no preferences > Advanced : > Keyboard Navigation option in my mozilla preferences > > I am using mozilla-1.0.rc3,1 whatever that means :). Your mozilla is too old to have the bug that Matthew Bettinger reported. However, from your other postings you're running into a different issue. Mozilla uses the standard FreeBSD gethostbyname() implementation to convert host names into IP numbers. Nowadays, this involves attempting to find an IPv6 address -- as the standards say should be done. Now, most of the time, the resolvers in question will simply respond "not known" when asked for an or A6 record. The lookup will then proceed onto retreiving the IPv4 A records as per usual. The problem occurs when you run into certain broken DNS resolvers that don't understand IPv6 at all, and not only that, they don't even respond at all to a query for a record type they do recognise. That means your system has no option but to hang around waiting for a minute or so untill the query times out and it can assume that no reply is ever going to appear. This isn't really a bug in Mozilla -- it's a bug in the DNS servers that don't respond according to the DNS RFCs. However, there are various things that can be done to ameliorate the problem from the user side. My preferred option is to observe that the vast majority of offenders are actually the sites that put banner adverts on pages. Right clicking on the adverts and selecting "Block images from this server" goes a long way to improving the web experience, and it sends the message to the advertizers "fix your DNS servers" in the sort of language they cannot afford to ignore. Alternatively, you can compile your whole system without IPv6 support, by removing: options INET6 from your kernel config. There's probably some other flags you could set to strip IPv6 support out of other applications in the sources, but I don't think there is a general knob to turn it off everywhere. This options is undesirable IMHO -- why strip out working new functionality from your system for the convenience of some dinosaurs who can't keep up with changes in the Internet standards that have been in play for getting on for nearly 10 years? -- see http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1886.html If you're interested in this sort of thing, see http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3364.html for a good discussion of the pros and cons of various methods of IPv6 support in the DNS Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT Re: mozilla stalls
--- Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:50:12AM -0500, Matthew > Bettinger wrote: > > On Thursday 03 July 2003 10:44 am, Matt Heath > wrote: > > > >I've had a recurring issue with Mozilla and > Firebird (was Phoenix): > > > >The browsers will stall in a seemingly > non-deterministic fashion. > > > > > > I get that too > > > > My mozilla will hang for a few minutes when I > enter a url in the > > location bar. If I fire it up and click on the > link that are already > > there it's fine. The moment I try to type a new > URL in the bar it just > > hangs. I am using the nvidia drivers on bsd 4.8. > Never had a problem > > (that I can recall) until I installed the nvidia > drivers.. could be > > wrong tho. > > I you go into Mozilla preferences, under Advanced : > Keyboard > Navigation and disable Find As You Type, then you'll > avoid the several > minutes of hang the first time you try and type into > a text field or > the location bar. Presumably the same trick would > work with Firebird, > but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a > control for disabling > that "feature". > > I don't think this has anything to do with the video > hardware or > drivers you're using -- I guess that was just a > coincidence. You must > have installed or upgraded Mozilla around the same > time. This pausing > thing was introduced around the same time as Mozilla > 1.3 was released. > It's not just FreeBSD that suffers either. There > have been bug > reports in Mozilla's Bugzilla DB for some time, but > the problem still > persists. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. > 26 The Paddocks > > Savill Way > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey > Marlow > Tel: +44 1628 476614 > Bucks., SL7 1TH UK > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature there is no preferences > Advanced : Keyboard Navigation option in my mozilla preferences I am using mozilla-1.0.rc3,1 whatever that means :). __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: OT Re: mozilla stalls
--- Wayne Lubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Matthew Seaman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:50:12AM -0500, Matthew > > BeBettingerrote: > > > On Thursday 03 July 2003 10:44 am, Matt Heath > > wrote: > > > > >I'vevead a recurring issue with MoMozilland > > FiFirebirdwas Phoenix): > > > > >The browsers will stall in a seemingly > > non-deterministic fashion. > > > > > > > > I get that too > > > > > > My momozillaill hang for a few minutes when I > > enter a ururln the > > > location bar. If I fire it up and click on the > > link that are already > > > there it's fine. The moment I try to type a new > > URL in the bar it just > > > hangs. I am using the nvnvidiarivers on > bsbsd.8. > > Never had a problem > > > (that I can recall) until I installed the > nvnvidia> drivers.. could be > > > wrong tho. > > > > I you go into MoMozillareferences, under Advanced > : > > Keyboard > > Navigation and disable Find As You Type, then > you'll > > avoid the several > > minutes of hang the first time you try and type > into > > a text field or > > the location bar. Presumably the same trick would > > work with FiFirebird > > but unfortunately there dodoesn appear to be a > > control for disabling > > that "feature". > > > > I don't think this has anything to do with the > video > > hardware or > > drivers you're using -- I guess that was just a > > coincidence. You must > > have installed or upgraded MoMozillaround the same > > time. This pausing > > thing was introduced around the same time as > MoMozilla> 1.3 was released. > > It's not just FrFreeBSDhat suffers either. There > > have been bug > > reports in MoMozilla BuBugzillaB for some time, > but > > the problem still > > persists. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matthew > > > > -- > > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. > > > 26 The Paddocks > > > > > SaSavillay > > PGPGPhthttp/wninfracaninophileo.ukukgpgpkey > > > Marlow > > Tel: +44 1628 476614 > > > Bucks., SLSL1TH UK > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgpgpignature > > > I remember this was discussed on this list about 6 > months ago. At that time someone said, to the best > of > my rerecollectionthat all you have to do is take out > all ipipvsupport out of the kernel and the problem > will stop. There were a couple of steps needed to be > performed and if someone knows it would be > appreciated > if you could resubmit it to the list. > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" take out the ipv6 support out of the kernel that is. Sorry for the typo. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: OT Re: mozilla stalls
--- Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:50:12AM -0500, Matthew > BeBettingerrote: > > On Thursday 03 July 2003 10:44 am, Matt Heath > wrote: > > > >I'vevead a recurring issue with MoMozilland > FiFirebirdwas Phoenix): > > > >The browsers will stall in a seemingly > non-deterministic fashion. > > > > > > I get that too > > > > My momozillaill hang for a few minutes when I > enter a ururln the > > location bar. If I fire it up and click on the > link that are already > > there it's fine. The moment I try to type a new > URL in the bar it just > > hangs. I am using the nvnvidiarivers on bsbsd.8. > Never had a problem > > (that I can recall) until I installed the nvnvidia> drivers.. could be > > wrong tho. > > I you go into MoMozillareferences, under Advanced : > Keyboard > Navigation and disable Find As You Type, then you'll > avoid the several > minutes of hang the first time you try and type into > a text field or > the location bar. Presumably the same trick would > work with FiFirebird > but unfortunately there dodoesn appear to be a > control for disabling > that "feature". > > I don't think this has anything to do with the video > hardware or > drivers you're using -- I guess that was just a > coincidence. You must > have installed or upgraded MoMozillaround the same > time. This pausing > thing was introduced around the same time as MoMozilla> 1.3 was released. > It's not just FrFreeBSDhat suffers either. There > have been bug > reports in MoMozilla BuBugzillaB for some time, but > the problem still > persists. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. > 26 The Paddocks > > SaSavillay > PGPGPhthttp/wninfracaninophileo.ukukgpgpkey > Marlow > Tel: +44 1628 476614 > Bucks., SLSL1TH UK > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgpgpignature I remember this was discussed on this list about 6 months ago. At that time someone said, to the best of my rerecollectionthat all you have to do is take out all ipipvsupport out of the kernel and the problem will stop. There were a couple of steps needed to be performed and if someone knows it would be appreciated if you could resubmit it to the list. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: OT Re: mozilla stalls
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:53:43 +0100 Matthew Seaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My mozilla will hang for a few minutes when I enter a url in the > > location bar. If I fire it up and click on the link that are > > already there it's fine. The moment I try to type a new URL in the > > bar it just hangs. I am using the nvidia drivers on bsd 4.8. Never > > had a problem (that I can recall) until I installed the nvidia > > drivers.. could be wrong tho. > > I you go into Mozilla preferences, under Advanced : Keyboard > Navigation and disable Find As You Type, then you'll avoid the several > minutes of hang the first time you try and type into a text field or > the location bar. Great! Thanks a bunch. Your tip worked as advertised. that was beginning to drive me crazy. -mb ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: OT Re: mozilla stalls
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 10:50:12AM -0500, Matthew Bettinger wrote: > On Thursday 03 July 2003 10:44 am, Matt Heath wrote: > > >I've had a recurring issue with Mozilla and Firebird (was Phoenix): > > >The browsers will stall in a seemingly non-deterministic fashion. > > > > I get that too > > My mozilla will hang for a few minutes when I enter a url in the > location bar. If I fire it up and click on the link that are already > there it's fine. The moment I try to type a new URL in the bar it just > hangs. I am using the nvidia drivers on bsd 4.8. Never had a problem > (that I can recall) until I installed the nvidia drivers.. could be > wrong tho. I you go into Mozilla preferences, under Advanced : Keyboard Navigation and disable Find As You Type, then you'll avoid the several minutes of hang the first time you try and type into a text field or the location bar. Presumably the same trick would work with Firebird, but unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a control for disabling that "feature". I don't think this has anything to do with the video hardware or drivers you're using -- I guess that was just a coincidence. You must have installed or upgraded Mozilla around the same time. This pausing thing was introduced around the same time as Mozilla 1.3 was released. It's not just FreeBSD that suffers either. There have been bug reports in Mozilla's Bugzilla DB for some time, but the problem still persists. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
