Re: Strange startup behavior on 5.3-release

2004-12-14 Thread Joshua Lokken
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:04:24 +0100 (CET), Gelsema, Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, 13 December, 2004 23:56, Mike Meyer said:
  I'm running 5.3-release, and seeing *very* strange behavior on
  startup.
 
  If I reboot the system, I get the following errors in
  /var/log/console.log:
 
  Dec 13 17:38:59 guru kernel: Starting sshd.
  Dec 13 17:39:00 guru kernel: sendmail: illegal option -- L
  Dec 13 17:39:00 guru kernel: sendmail: usage: sendmail [ -t ] [
  -fsender ] [ -Fname ] [ -bp ] [
   -bs ] [ arg ... ]
 
  I'm getting those errors because sendmail is set to
  /var/qmail/bin/sendmail in /etc/mail/mailer.conf. Since I'm running
  qmail, sendmail should be run *at all* at startup.
 
  The really strange thing is that if I shutdown and then restart the
  system, without a reboot, I don't see these error messages.
 
  I've traced this down to the sendmail_msp_queue_enable variable in
  /etc/rc.conf. If set to yes, that invokes sendmail with the -L option.
 
  There don't appear to be any currently filed bugs related to this
  issue, and google didn't turn up anything relevant.
 
  I'm running the GENERIC kernel. I've attached my /etc/rc.conf in case
  something there is pertinent.
 
  After you installed qmail (from ports?) were there any instructions on
  how you should modify /etc/rc.conf?
 
  I use Postfix, and after I installed that from the ports tree, it told
  me to add the following entries to rc.conf
 
  dj : ~ cat /etc/rc.conf | grep -i sendmail
  sendmail_enable=YES
  sendmail_flags=-bd
  sendmail_pidfile=/var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid
  sendmail_outbound_enable=NO
  sendmail_submit_enable=NO
  sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO
 
  Maybe that's some help?
 
  Cheers,
  David
 
 
 Sometime ago I installed qmail and what I remember is that in /etc/rc.conf
 the following line needs to be added;
 SENDMAIL=NONE #check sendmail documentation for proper line

However, this is deprecated, and it is recommended that you use:

sendmail_enable=NO
sendmail_outbound_enable=NO
sendmail_submit_enable=NO
sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO

-- 
Joshua Lokken
Open Source Advocate
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Re: Strange startup behavior on 5.3-release

2004-12-14 Thread epilogue
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:36:06 -0800
Jim Pazarena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 one would think, or expect, that if you disable sendmail using
 SENDMAIL_ENABLE=NONE, that NONE sendmail activity would be
 triggered.
 
 This seemed to be the way it worked in FreeBSD 4.XX, and altho we
 can live with these changes for 5.XX, is there any where that we
 can read the reasoning for making such a change?

hello jim,

while it may not be exactly what you're looking for, i suggest that
you take a few minutes to review 'man rc.sendmail'.  judging by those
rc variables, it strikes me as a means to allow for greater
flexibility/granularity in the options.

if you spend a little time at sendmail.org, you *may* find an
authoritative answer to your question.


cheers,
epi
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Re: Strange startup behavior on 5.3-release

2004-12-14 Thread Jim Pazarena
Joshua Lokken wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:04:24 +0100 (CET), Gelsema, Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 13 December, 2004 23:56, Mike Meyer said:
I'm running 5.3-release, and seeing *very* strange behavior on
startup.
If I reboot the system, I get the following errors in
/var/log/console.log:
Dec 13 17:39:00 guru kernel: sendmail: illegal option -- L
I've traced this down to the sendmail_msp_queue_enable variable in
/etc/rc.conf. If set to yes, that invokes sendmail with the -L option.
SENDMAIL=NONE #check sendmail documentation for proper line

However, this is deprecated, and it is recommended that you use:
sendmail_enable=NO
sendmail_outbound_enable=NO
sendmail_submit_enable=NO
sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO
if you look in /etc/defaults/rc.conf
you find the -L flags for sendmail in:
rc.conf:sendmail_flags=-L sm-mta -bd -q30m # Flags to sendmail (as a
server)
rc.conf:sendmail_submit_flags=-L sm-mta -bd -q30m
-ODaemonPortOptions=Addr=localhost
rc.conf:sendmail_outbound_flags=-L sm-queue -q30m # Flags to
sendmail (outbound only)
rc.conf:sendmail_msp_queue_flags=-L sm-msp-queue -Ac -q30m
one would think, or expect, that if you disable sendmail using
SENDMAIL_ENABLE=NONE, that NONE sendmail activity would be
triggered.
This seemed to be the way it worked in FreeBSD 4.XX, and altho we
can live with these changes for 5.XX, is there any where that we
can read the reasoning for making such a change?
Several things changed such as named being jailed, and this sendmail
NONE/NO change. It would be nice to be able to read the reasoning
for such changes.
Jim
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Re: Strange startup behavior on 5.3-release

2004-12-13 Thread David Jenkins
On Mon, 13 December, 2004 23:56, Mike Meyer said:
 I'm running 5.3-release, and seeing *very* strange behavior on
 startup.

 If I reboot the system, I get the following errors in
 /var/log/console.log:

 Dec 13 17:38:59 guru kernel: Starting sshd.
 Dec 13 17:39:00 guru kernel: sendmail: illegal option -- L
 Dec 13 17:39:00 guru kernel: sendmail: usage: sendmail [ -t ] [
 -fsender ] [ -Fname ] [ -bp ] [
  -bs ] [ arg ... ]

 I'm getting those errors because sendmail is set to
 /var/qmail/bin/sendmail in /etc/mail/mailer.conf. Since I'm running
 qmail, sendmail should be run *at all* at startup.

 The really strange thing is that if I shutdown and then restart the
 system, without a reboot, I don't see these error messages.

 I've traced this down to the sendmail_msp_queue_enable variable in
 /etc/rc.conf. If set to yes, that invokes sendmail with the -L option.

 There don't appear to be any currently filed bugs related to this
 issue, and google didn't turn up anything relevant.

 I'm running the GENERIC kernel. I've attached my /etc/rc.conf in case
 something there is pertinent.

After you installed qmail (from ports?) were there any instructions on
how you should modify /etc/rc.conf?

I use Postfix, and after I installed that from the ports tree, it told
me to add the following entries to rc.conf

dj : ~ cat /etc/rc.conf | grep -i sendmail
sendmail_enable=YES
sendmail_flags=-bd
sendmail_pidfile=/var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid
sendmail_outbound_enable=NO
sendmail_submit_enable=NO
sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO

Maybe that's some help?

Cheers,
David



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Re: Strange startup behavior on 5.3-release

2004-12-13 Thread Gelsema, Patrick
 On Mon, 13 December, 2004 23:56, Mike Meyer said:
 I'm running 5.3-release, and seeing *very* strange behavior on
 startup.

 If I reboot the system, I get the following errors in
 /var/log/console.log:

 Dec 13 17:38:59 guru kernel: Starting sshd.
 Dec 13 17:39:00 guru kernel: sendmail: illegal option -- L
 Dec 13 17:39:00 guru kernel: sendmail: usage: sendmail [ -t ] [
 -fsender ] [ -Fname ] [ -bp ] [
  -bs ] [ arg ... ]

 I'm getting those errors because sendmail is set to
 /var/qmail/bin/sendmail in /etc/mail/mailer.conf. Since I'm running
 qmail, sendmail should be run *at all* at startup.

 The really strange thing is that if I shutdown and then restart the
 system, without a reboot, I don't see these error messages.

 I've traced this down to the sendmail_msp_queue_enable variable in
 /etc/rc.conf. If set to yes, that invokes sendmail with the -L option.

 There don't appear to be any currently filed bugs related to this
 issue, and google didn't turn up anything relevant.

 I'm running the GENERIC kernel. I've attached my /etc/rc.conf in case
 something there is pertinent.

 After you installed qmail (from ports?) were there any instructions on
 how you should modify /etc/rc.conf?

 I use Postfix, and after I installed that from the ports tree, it told
 me to add the following entries to rc.conf

 dj : ~ cat /etc/rc.conf | grep -i sendmail
 sendmail_enable=YES
 sendmail_flags=-bd
 sendmail_pidfile=/var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid
 sendmail_outbound_enable=NO
 sendmail_submit_enable=NO
 sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO

 Maybe that's some help?

 Cheers,
 David


Sometime ago I installed qmail and what I remember is that in /etc/rc.conf
the following line needs to be added;
SENDMAIL=NONE #check sendmail documentation for proper line

Basically you dont want the sendmail daemon started during startup, this
is now handled by qmail. Check qmail.org for more information.
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