Re: usenet configuration
On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:21 AM, Bernt Hansson wrote: Aflatoon Aflatooni said the following on 2009-10-01 19:17: What is needed in order to run nntp? INN https://www.isc.org/software/inn A faq for INN is at http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/inn.html Diablo gttp://www.openusenet.org/diablo A faq for diablo is at the above address. DNews http://www.netwinsite.com/dnews.htm Typhoon (not free/open) http://www.highwinds-software.com/ And if the needs are small, one might be able to get away with just running leafnode. Leafnode is *not* a full NNTP server, but for small networks with limited needs, it might be sufficient. I'm not familiar at all with Typhoon and Diablo. The last time I used DNews (a very very long time ago) it had some really nice design features that made it appropriate for situations between what one would use leafnode and INN, but it was buggy (this was a long time ago, those bugs have probably been fixed). INN, of course, is the sendmail, of Usenet servers. Cheers, -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usenet configuration
Aflatoon Aflatooni said the following on 2009-10-01 19:17: What is needed in order to run nntp? INN https://www.isc.org/software/inn A faq for INN is at http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/inn.html Diablo gttp://www.openusenet.org/diablo A faq for diablo is at the above address. DNews http://www.netwinsite.com/dnews.htm Typhoon (not free/open) http://www.highwinds-software.com/ How does nntp connect to other news servers? Via TCP/IP. Where do you define the news groups that the server would subscribe to? You mean what groups would be carried? The active file takes care of that. Any pointers or suggested configuration? A bit difficult since I do not know what software you choose. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usenet configuration
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.comwrote: Can someone point me to what software I need to install in order to provide a usenet service for internal users? Thanks You mean like this? cat /usr/ports/mail/mailman/pkg-descr Paraphrasing the website: Mailman is a mailing list manager (MLM); that is, software to help manage email discussion lists, much like Majordomo, LISTSERV, and the like. Unlike most similar products, Mailman gives each mailing list a web page and allows users to subscribe, unsubscribe, and change their preferences via the web. Even a list manager can administer his or her list(s) entirely via the web. Mailman integrates many common MLM features, including web-based archiving (though it also has hooks for external archivers), mail-to-news gateways, bounce handling, spam prevention, Majordomo-style email-based list administration, direct SMTP delivery (with fast bulk mailing), digest delivery, virtual domain support, and more. Mailman is written mostly in Python (with a smattering of C where necessary for security purposes), and includes hooks to make it easily scriptable and extensible. It is compatible with most web servers and browsers, and most mail transfer agents (mail servers). Mailman's documentation may be found on its website. Author: Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org and the Mailman Cabal WWW:http://www.list.org/ -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usenet configuration
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.comwrote: Can someone point me to what software I need to install in order to provide a usenet service for internal users? cd /usr/ports make search key=usenet -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usenet configuration
Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.comwrote: Can someone point me to what software I need to install in order to provide a usenet service for internal users? cd /usr/ports make search key=usenet Or better yet, nntp. I think cnews is still the standard server software, but there are a bunch of alternatives that might be easier for a small installation. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usenet configuration
What is needed in order to run nntp? How does nntp connect to other news servers? Where do you define the news groups that the server would subscribe to? Any pointers or suggested configuration? Thanks - Original Message From: Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org To: Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:12:56 AM Subject: Re: usenet configuration Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.comwrote: Can someone point me to what software I need to install in order to provide a usenet service for internal users? cd /usr/ports make search key=usenet Or better yet, nntp. I think cnews is still the standard server software, but there are a bunch of alternatives that might be easier for a small installation. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usenet configuration
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.comwrote: What is needed in order to run nntp? How does nntp connect to other news servers? Where do you define the news groups that the server would subscribe to? Any pointers or suggested configuration? Thanks You want pple to chew for you then you swallow?:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usenet configuration
Don't top-post, please. Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com writes: What is needed in order to run nntp? How does nntp connect to other news servers? Where do you define the news groups that the server would subscribe to? Any pointers or suggested configuration? NNTP is the protocol, not the software. Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com writes: From: Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org To: Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:12:56 AM Subject: Re: usenet configuration Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.comwrote: Can someone point me to what software I need to install in order to provide a usenet service for internal users? cd /usr/ports make search key=usenet Or better yet, nntp. By which I meant make search key=nntp I think cnews is still the standard server software, but there are a bunch of alternatives that might be easier for a small installation. So install one and look at its documentation. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: usenet configuration
On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:10 -, odhiambo wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.comwrote: What is needed in order to run nntp? How does nntp connect to other news servers? Where do you define the news groups that the server would subscribe to? Any pointers or suggested configuration? Thanks You want pple to chew for you then you swallow?:-) Really that was so insightful it inspired me to respond. I use news/inn for a local WiFi news server for the community around me to connect to that pulls threads from the net and post on local spots for for replies by the community. I can not recommend cnews as for I have no experience with it. INN on the other hand is a pretty big configuration and has a lot of options and knobs to tune so I really would not recommend that if your not up for reading thoroughly through the docs to achieve the proper layout of your news server. When you do understand INN if you decide to use it give me a holler I would be interested to know what your final outcome is. Best regards and good luck. PS: I spent around 2 months on a offline INN server just to understand some of the inn's and outs along with post signing etc. It took about that long before I finally became comfortable with putting it up for public use. -- - (2^(N-1)) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
tin slrn On Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Gary Kline wrote: are there any ports that offer an interface to USENET? I think mozilla did, but that was a long time ago ... . gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 2.23a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
news/pan seems to work OK, if you want a GUI. But be aware that nowadays, you'll probably have to pay a monthly fee for usenet. ISPs don't seem to routinely offer it as part of the deal anymore like they used to. at least in Poland there are free. and for my clients i have nntpcache'd news from Gdańsk University. anyway maybe few people use it. most don't ;) they prefer more stupid things___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 11:39:43AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: news/pan seems to work OK, if you want a GUI. But be aware that nowadays, you'll probably have to pay a monthly fee for usenet. ISPs don't seem to routinely offer it as part of the deal anymore like they used to. at least in Poland there are free. and for my clients i have nntpcache'd news from Gda?sk University. Actually, in most parts of the world, news are still freely available with many ISPs (you may have to ask them explicitly), except for alt.binaries.* which are quite bandwidth intensive. Your typical small ISP would rather save the bandwidth it takes to transfer all articles, esp. if only a fraction of them are accessed by their customers. It simply doesn't make sense for them to host binaries, unlike dedicated news providers which have enough customers to justify the expenses. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
El Sunday 08 March 2009 23:38:14 Robert Huff escribió: Dan Nelson writes: are there any ports that offer an interface to USENET? I think mozilla did, but that was a long time ago ... . Mozilla simply changed names to Seamonkey and is still alive and kicking. Thunderbird also has this ability. I'm currently using knode from kde ports... Robert Huff [SNIP] Best regards, -- .O.| Daniel Molina Wegener | C/C++ Developer ..O| dmw [at] coder [dot] cl | FreeBSD Linux OOO| http://coder.cl/| Standards Basis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: USENET?
at least in Poland there are free. and for my clients i have nntpcache'd news from Gda?sk University. Actually, in most parts of the world, news are still freely available with many ISPs (you may have to ask them explicitly), except for alt.binaries.* which are quite bandwidth intensive. i'm connected to university network (commercially, not as a student ;), i have all their service included in price. alt.binaries.* too, don't know if all of them as i don't use it. Your typical small ISP would rather save the bandwidth it takes to transfer all articles, esp. if only a fraction of them are accessed nntpcache is exactly for this. it's like squid, just for nntp it's worth even with 1 nntp user, and it takes 5 minutes to configure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 12:44:38PM +0100, cpghost wrote: On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 11:39:43AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: news/pan seems to work OK, if you want a GUI. But be aware that nowadays, you'll probably have to pay a monthly fee for usenet. ISPs don't seem to routinely offer it as part of the deal anymore like they used to. at least in Poland there are free. and for my clients i have nntpcache'd news from Gda?sk University. Actually, in most parts of the world, news are still freely available with many ISPs (you may have to ask them explicitly), except for alt.binaries.* which are quite bandwidth intensive. Your typical small ISP would rather save the bandwidth it takes to transfer all articles, esp. if only a fraction of them are accessed by their customers. It simply doesn't make sense for them to host binaries, unlike dedicated news providers which have enough customers to justify the expenses. That's essentially correct, but it's worth noting that an ISP can provide a news feed to their customers through one of the major news providers. It wasn't unusual not so long ago for dialup ISPs to offer a full alt.binaries hierachy this way. As for client suggestions, that typically depends on whether the person is interested in text, binaries, or both. Most clients are capable of doing both, of course. That's not to say that all do both equally well. Right tool for the job and all that. For text, I'd recommend slrn. Gary is already using mutt, so I'd suggest he go that route, or alternatively, try mutt's nntp patch and use mutt instead. Works perfectly well and it's what I use. If reading news is going to be a regular thing, then setting up a local server of some sort (to pull down feeds from one or more providers) may be a useful addition, though slrn does does provide a companion program to do something similar. Binary groups, on the other hand, are generally best handled by a GUI client. If you know what you're doing, command-line programs like nget, nzbperl, etc. may be preferrable or useful additions. The thing to keep in mind is that irrespective of what client one is using, it's the quality of the feed that matters most. At least for non-casual use. For a top notch feed, expect to pay out a few extra bucks per month. That typically gives you a host of other benefits that would include a complete hierarchy, high retention levels, unrestricted download speeds, web access, multiple connections, multiple servers, NNTPS, HTTPs, Clarinet, and a direct line to customer support. If you think you are or can get most of those for free (from your ISP, for example), you haven't looked carefully enough. Still, I think a subscription to a pay provider is worth every cent, even for text groups. -- George ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 07:14:26 -0700 For text, I'd recommend slrn. Gary is already using mutt, so I'd suggest he go that route, or alternatively, try mutt's nntp patch and use mutt instead. Works perfectly well and it's what I use. If reading news is going to be a regular thing, then setting up a local server of some sort (to pull down feeds from one or more providers) may be a useful addition, though slrn does does provide a companion program to do something similar. Binary groups, on the other hand, are generally best handled by a GUI client. If you know what you're doing, command-line programs like nget, nzbperl, etc. may be preferrable or useful additions. The thing to keep in mind is that irrespective of what client one is using, it's the quality of the feed that matters most. At least for non-casual use. For a top notch feed, expect to pay out a few extra bucks per month. That typically gives you a host of other benefits that would include a complete hierarchy, high retention levels, unrestricted download speeds, web access, multiple connections, multiple servers, NNTPS, HTTPs, Clarinet, and a direct line to customer support. Even though this has nothing to do with FreeBSD, its worth mentioning that pulling down headers for a news group can use a lot of disk space and consume a lot of time. The OP might consider using one of the NZB aggregator sites and using a client that is NZB capable. This, of course, is most useful for binaries. The other tools usually required for these multipart postings are also in the tree. A little bit of Googling will cover learning how to use them. Back to my lurking corner ;-) Randy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 04:16:46PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: are there any ports that offer an interface to USENET? I think mozilla did, but that was a long time ago ... . Look in ports/news for a whole bunch of reader and server software that can be used to read and/or distribute the various newsgroups available on Usenet. (And several of the more popular web-browsers can also be used as newsreaders.) -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009, Gary Kline wrote: are there any ports that offer an interface to USENET? I think mozilla did, but that was a long time ago ... . news/pan seems to work OK, if you want a GUI. But be aware that nowadays, you'll probably have to pay a monthly fee for usenet. ISPs don't seem to routinely offer it as part of the deal anymore like they used to. HTH. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging | ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
In the last episode (Mar 08), Gary Kline said: are there any ports that offer an interface to USENET? I think mozilla did, but that was a long time ago ... . Mozilla simply changed names to Seamonkey and is still alive and kicking. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: USENET?
Dan Nelson writes: are there any ports that offer an interface to USENET? I think mozilla did, but that was a long time ago ... . Mozilla simply changed names to Seamonkey and is still alive and kicking. Thunderbird also has this ability. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
