Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Norberto Meijome wrote: What about DELL laptops? any model I should stick to? Thinkpads are a bit pricey for me atm. (Greg Lehey i think was using dells... could well be wrong...) Alternatively, has anyone got a model of *new* Toshiba laptops fully working ? I'm a huge Toshiba fan, and a HUGE fan of the touchpoint/accupoint devices. As of yesterday I replaced my Satellite Pro 6000 with a new M5-S433. Speaking for -current, not -stable, it boots fine, detects the gig ethernet with the em driver, serial port, usb, touchpad (bleh!), etc work fine. The ATA driver is identified as a GENERIC ATA controller and the drive is listed as UDMA33, which is either incorrect (the drive is SATA, I've removed it) or it's just using a SATA-PATA bridge internally. X11 starts up with the nv driver just fine, right now it's humming away beside me installing KDE. The only things that do not work are the builtin wireless, which should have a driver soon, and the sound, which I hope will also have some support soon! I have had a couple of quirks -- several times it has booted up but the ATA driver never saw the HD, but a reboot later it was finding it just fine. I also had trouble getting it to attach to an atheros card I was inserting, but I think that was related to the BIOS setting for device resource allocation rather than a kernel problem. Once i've had it a little longer I'll drop in on the -multimedia list and see if I can spur a little work on the sound. Everything else seems in order. -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:36:43 -0500 (EST) Wesley Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything else seems in order. Thanks for the info Wesley. What about ACPI? btw, what resolution are u running X at? what fps does glxgears report? cheers, Beto ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Norberto Meijome wrote: On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 10:36:43 -0500 (EST) Wesley Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything else seems in order. Thanks for the info Wesley. What about ACPI? btw, what resolution are u running X at? what fps does glxgears report? I haven't tried any sleep states yet. X runs at the native 1024x768 and glxgears runs at about 760-790 FPS when one of the two cores is occupied with something else and 815 when both are idle. -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:01:04 +1100 David Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mm, well I run a Dell 700m .. the widescreen 12 one with built-in wireless. thx for your time :) B ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:07:32 -0500 From: Parv [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Norberto Meijome thusly... On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:32:40 -0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a new, gruntier laptop. What laptop is known to work WELL with freeBSD? e.g.: ACPI with no problems (and as many features as possible) PATA / SATA with no problems I don't think Thinkpad has [SP]ATA things (yet). From my T43: atapci0: Intel ICH6 SATA150 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x18c0-0x18cf at device 31.2 on pci0 Since the drives are still PATA, I assume it uses a SATA/PATA chip for the internal drives, but it may make SATA available to a docking station. all other basic stuff (graphics, NIC, Wireless g, sound, touchpad ,etc ) should work too, of course Thinkpad T42 is great in that regard, except that the use of dri w/ suspend/resume causes lockup. You would need to pick either dri or suspend/resume. If you can, try to get a laptop either without a 802.11g (so that you can decide which one to buy) or buy one supported by ath driver. I have T42 w/ Intel 2200BG card, and it using w/ iwi driver (net/iwi-firmware port). Here, connected w/ Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch/AP, iwi interface|driver needs to be reset just about every two hours (when i start getting TKIP ICV mismatch on decrypt message. iwi (and its kin-folk) have been betting heavy work in HEAD over the past week or two and, hopefully, things will improve. OTOH, I have two colleagues using this card with Windows and they complain that it locks up periodically and they have to disable and enable it to get it back, so this may not be just a FreeBSD thing. There is also fairly new firmware out (V3.0) which MAY fix some of these problems. Looking into either Intel duo Core or AMD64 chips. Can't say about Thinkpad on that. I think the only ThinkPads with Core Duo are T60s, although I'm sure other will follow. Don't know if Lenovo will ever go the AMD route, but I sure hope they do. My AMD desktop is one amazing system! From what I've read, IBMs seem to have quite good support, so do DELLs (though they seem chunkier than other laptops). I usually get Toshiba, but I don't think they are so well supported. Boy do those Toshiba's TruBrite screen looked amazing (in a chain store). On almost all the displayed laptops, however, the keyboards are buggered up, mainly on the right side. Keys were shifted around or had really unusual area of key caps. What is amazing about the messed up keyboard layout is that there was much wasted space on the sides (owning to the wider screen) in front of the keyboard. FWIW, I have been amazed at the brightness of my T43. It is MUCH brighter than my trusty T30. What about DELL laptops? any model I should stick to? People generally advise to get one from business line (used to be Latitude for some time in past; don't know about the present/future), not the home one (Inspiron). Thinkpads are a bit pricey for me atm. T4[0-3]-generation should be affordable by now, around USD1[0-2]00. (Greg Lehey i think was using dells... could well be wrong...) Yes, some Dell Inspiron. My wife has not been at all happy with her Latitude. Heavy and still not robust. Unpleasant keyboard and very touchy touchpad. (This is from her as I don't often use it.) I do love the 1600x1200 display, though! For less expensive (and less powerful) ThinkPads, look at the R series. No Core Duos there, but they start at about $800 new. No touchpads (which I consider a plus), but a bit clunky compared to the T series. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +1 510 486-8634 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:00:31 -0800 Kevin Oberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:07:32 -0500 From: Parv [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Norberto Meijome thusly... On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:32:40 -0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a new, gruntier laptop. What laptop is known to work WELL with freeBSD? e.g.: ACPI with no problems (and as many features as possible) PATA / SATA with no problems I don't think Thinkpad has [SP]ATA things (yet). From my T43: atapci0: Intel ICH6 SATA150 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x18c0-0x18cf at device 31.2 on pci0 Since the drives are still PATA, I assume it uses a SATA/PATA chip for the internal drives, but it may make SATA available to a docking station. yeah, the T60s (available now @ my provider! ) also come with SATA drives. If you can, try to get a laptop either without a 802.11g (so that you can decide which one to buy) or buy one supported by ath driver. I have T42 w/ Intel 2200BG card, and it using w/ iwi driver (net/iwi-firmware port). Here, connected w/ Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch/AP, iwi interface|driver needs to be reset just about every two hours (when i start getting TKIP ICV mismatch on decrypt message. iwi (and its kin-folk) have been betting heavy work in HEAD over the past week or two and, hopefully, things will improve. OTOH, I have two colleagues using this card with Windows and they complain that it locks up periodically and they have to disable and enable it to get it back, so this may not be just a FreeBSD thing. There is also fairly new firmware out (V3.0) which MAY fix some of these problems. I have a 2200BG on this tosh A2 - some lockups, but couldn't pinpoint it to the card (again, i've made the habit of ifconfig down before suspend...) . No problems at all while running. Looking into either Intel duo Core or AMD64 chips. Can't say about Thinkpad on that. I think the only ThinkPads with Core Duo are T60s, although I'm sure other will follow. Don't know if Lenovo will ever go the AMD route, but I sure hope they do. My AMD desktop is one amazing system! I know :) What about AMD64 (single or Dual core) cpus for laptops (Turin ? ) : any good experiences there anyone? From what I've read, IBMs seem to have quite good support, so do DELLs (though they seem chunkier than other laptops). I usually get Toshiba, but I don't think they are so well supported. Boy do those Toshiba's TruBrite screen looked amazing (in a chain store). yeah, a colleague has a Tecra A5, bright as a CRT. FWIW, I have been amazed at the brightness of my T43. It is MUCH brighter than my trusty T30. What about DELL laptops? any model I should stick to? People generally advise to get one from business line (used to be Latitude for some time in past; don't know about the present/future), not the home one (Inspiron). Thinkpads are a bit pricey for me atm. T4[0-3]-generation should be affordable by now, around USD1[0-2]00. (Greg Lehey i think was using dells... could well be wrong...) Yes, some Dell Inspiron. My wife has not been at all happy with her Latitude. Heavy and still not robust. Unpleasant keyboard and very touchy touchpad. (This is from her as I don't often use it.) I do love the 1600x1200 display, though! For less expensive (and less powerful) ThinkPads, look at the R series. No Core Duos there, but they start at about $800 new. No touchpads (which I consider a plus), but a bit clunky compared to the T series. yeah i'm running the features vs numbers job atm... Actually thinking of looking into the components of ASUS laptops, as well as those from pioneercomputers.com.au - have heard of some great experiences with those laptops with Linux. BTW, thanks everyone for your help :) will keep asking questions as needed, of course ;) Beto ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi everyone, I'm looking for a new, gruntier laptop. What laptop is known to work WELL with freeBSD? e.g.: ACPI with no problems (and as many features as possible) PATA / SATA with no problems all other basic stuff (graphics, NIC, Wireless g, sound, touchpad ,etc ) should work too, of course Looking into either Intel duo Core or AMD64 chips. From what I've read, IBMs seem to have quite good support, so do DELLs (though they seem chunkier than other laptops). I usually get Toshiba, but I don't think they are so well supported. Thanks in advance for any advice you can share :) Best regards, Beto ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have an IBM Thinkpad R51, it works very well and I reccomend it highly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
I've a related question, but my primary constraints are physical. I'm looking for a lightweight and low-profile package, like the fabulous (and wicked prone to hard failure) Sony 505 series of products. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
Hi, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: I've a related question, but my primary constraints are physical. I'm looking for a lightweight and low-profile package, like the fabulous (and wicked prone to hard failure) Sony 505 series of products. take a look at the P-series from Fujitsu. I ran FreeBSD on a P2120. It was pretty good with the exception of battery life. The new P7xxx series used the Pentium M as a CPU which is better supported by FreeBSD. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:32:40 -0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi everyone, I'm looking for a new, gruntier laptop. What laptop is known to work WELL with freeBSD? e.g.: ACPI with no problems (and as many features as possible) PATA / SATA with no problems all other basic stuff (graphics, NIC, Wireless g, sound, touchpad ,etc ) should work too, of course Looking into either Intel duo Core or AMD64 chips. From what I've read, IBMs seem to have quite good support, so do DELLs (though they seem chunkier than other laptops). I usually get Toshiba, but I don't think they are so well supported. Thanks in advance for any advice you can share :) I've Thinkpad R50e. Everything works fine and it makes an excellent work tool : http://www.yazzy.org/configs/freebsd/thinkpad/ Price of those thinkpads is yet another pluss. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
At Mon, 13 Mar 2006 it looks like [EMAIL PROTECTED] composed: I have an IBM Thinkpad R51, it works very well and I reccomend it highly. Do you have the wireless working too on that model, the integrated chip? TIA -- Bill Schoolcraft | http://wiliweld.com If your life was full of nothing but sunshine, you would just be a desert. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:32:40 -0300 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hi everyone, I'm looking for a new, gruntier laptop. What laptop is known to work WELL with freeBSD? e.g.: ACPI with no problems (and as many features as possible) PATA / SATA with no problems all other basic stuff (graphics, NIC, Wireless g, sound, touchpad ,etc ) should work too, of course Looking into either Intel duo Core or AMD64 chips. From what I've read, IBMs seem to have quite good support, so do DELLs (though they seem chunkier than other laptops). I usually get Toshiba, but I don't think they are so well supported. I have a new Lenovo (IBM) T43 (266875U) that is working well. If you get an integrated A/B/G card, it's Athros based and works very well with FreeBSD and the wpa_supplicant. The internal Winmodem is useless, though. The GE is a Broadcom which works well. Graphics is an ATI Radeon, so you will want to have Radeontool to turn it off. ACPI has no problems and, if you load acpi_ibm, it provides lots of features. Sound is snd_ich and works fine. I disable the touchpad, so I really can't say much about it. If the touchpad is disabled, it has a 3 button mouse. I have not been successful with a suspend/resume cycle while running X. It seems to suspend, but never resumes when in X. If I'm on a vty, it does resume, but the display characters are garbage. vidcontrol mode 80x25 fixes it, though. I can probably stick this into rc.resume. It's only a 2GHz Pentium-M, though. The new T60s are Core Duo systems, but we don't have one, yet. One was just ordered last week, so I hope to get to play with one soon. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +1 510 486-8634 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:58:29 -0800 Kevin Oberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not been successful with a suspend/resume cycle while running X. It seems to suspend, but never resumes when in X. If I'm on a vty, it does resume, but the display characters are garbage. vidcontrol mode 80x25 fixes it, though. I can probably stick this into rc.resume. Thanks for the info. I had a similar issue with suspend/resume from within X (using APM though), using my Toshiba Tecra A2. hw.syscons.sc_no_suspend_vtswitch=1 fixed it. i get some garbling in some semitransparent aterm windows, but nothing major at all. Beto ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:32:40 -0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi everyone, I'm looking for a new, gruntier laptop. What laptop is known to work WELL with freeBSD? e.g.: ACPI with no problems (and as many features as possible) PATA / SATA with no problems all other basic stuff (graphics, NIC, Wireless g, sound, touchpad ,etc ) should work too, of course Looking into either Intel duo Core or AMD64 chips. From what I've read, IBMs seem to have quite good support, so do DELLs (though they seem chunkier than other laptops). I usually get Toshiba, but I don't think they are so well supported. Thanks in advance for any advice you can share :) Best regards, Beto What about DELL laptops? any model I should stick to? Thinkpads are a bit pricey for me atm. (Greg Lehey i think was using dells... could well be wrong...) Alternatively, has anyone got a model of *new* Toshiba laptops fully working ? thx ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
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Re: What laptop do you recommend?
mm, well I run a Dell 700m .. the widescreen 12 one with built-in wireless. I'm using the fantastic iwi-firmware (so yes, the wireless works), and 855patch to get 1280x800 (the native res of the lcd) working. I have a very quick document on what I did to get that going at http://bratdot.info/cub1cle/projects/700m/ Accelerated graphics have never worked, but I just run Konsoles and Kmail .. so I dont miss it. The winmodem doesnt work, but thats about it. I havent missed anything else that didnt work 'out of the box' on 6. I ran 5.4 on there for a while as well, and the only thing I had to add was UHCI to the generic kernel (so I could do backups before the heat-death of the universe). YMMV, but they are cheap, small and light. -David On 3/14/06, Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:32:40 -0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi everyone, I'm looking for a new, gruntier laptop. What laptop is known to work WELL with freeBSD? e.g.: ACPI with no problems (and as many features as possible) PATA / SATA with no problems all other basic stuff (graphics, NIC, Wireless g, sound, touchpad ,etc ) should work too, of course Looking into either Intel duo Core or AMD64 chips. From what I've read, IBMs seem to have quite good support, so do DELLs (though they seem chunkier than other laptops). I usually get Toshiba, but I don't think they are so well supported. Thanks in advance for any advice you can share :) Best regards, Beto What about DELL laptops? any model I should stick to? Thinkpads are a bit pricey for me atm. (Greg Lehey i think was using dells... could well be wrong...) Alternatively, has anyone got a model of *new* Toshiba laptops fully working ? thx ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Dean +61 402 55 6068 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What laptop do you recommend?
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Norberto Meijome thusly... On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:32:40 -0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a new, gruntier laptop. What laptop is known to work WELL with freeBSD? e.g.: ACPI with no problems (and as many features as possible) PATA / SATA with no problems I don't think Thinkpad has [SP]ATA things (yet). all other basic stuff (graphics, NIC, Wireless g, sound, touchpad ,etc ) should work too, of course Thinkpad T42 is great in that regard, except that the use of dri w/ suspend/resume causes lockup. You would need to pick either dri or suspend/resume. If you can, try to get a laptop either without a 802.11g (so that you can decide which one to buy) or buy one supported by ath driver. I have T42 w/ Intel 2200BG card, and it using w/ iwi driver (net/iwi-firmware port). Here, connected w/ Linksys WRT54G wireless router/switch/AP, iwi interface|driver needs to be reset just about every two hours (when i start getting TKIP ICV mismatch on decrypt message. Looking into either Intel duo Core or AMD64 chips. Can't say about Thinkpad on that. From what I've read, IBMs seem to have quite good support, so do DELLs (though they seem chunkier than other laptops). I usually get Toshiba, but I don't think they are so well supported. Boy do those Toshiba's TruBrite screen looked amazing (in a chain store). On almost all the displayed laptops, however, the keyboards are buggered up, mainly on the right side. Keys were shifted around or had really unusual area of key caps. What is amazing about the messed up keyboard layout is that there was much wasted space on the sides (owning to the wider screen) in front of the keyboard. What about DELL laptops? any model I should stick to? People generally advise to get one from business line (used to be Latitude for some time in past; don't know about the present/future), not the home one (Inspiron). Thinkpads are a bit pricey for me atm. T4[0-3]-generation should be affordable by now, around USD1[0-2]00. (Greg Lehey i think was using dells... could well be wrong...) Yes, some Dell Inspiron. - Parv -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
