Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
It is not so clear .. My problem is: My FreeBSD is a VMware Virtual machine, for 2 years. When connecting to that machine via vSphere client, I get a KDM login window and via Ctrl-Alt-F1 can switch to a console prompt Well, that *was* possible .. Since the last reboot, Ctrl-Alt-F1 (F2, .. F8) doesn't do anything anymore... Can't understand why, it always worked in the past? I have an Tektronix X-terminal, the software running on it allows me to enter my freesbd-machine hostname, then gives me a KDM login window. If my 'console' login (via VMware's vSphere) could be made NOT be a KDM graphical login, and my Xterminal still giving me a KDM login, this would be a workarround (no need to do Ctrl-Alt-F1 on Xterminal), [ and even a better solution, since I do never need graphical environment when connecting to the console ] How can I make the login different for console and other logins? OR: HOW can I solve the Ctrl-Alt-F1 problem? The setup in my Freebsd is: I have in /etc/rc.conf hald_enable=YES dbus_enable=YES I have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file /etc/ttys has: ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon xterm on secure (see below for other parts) at boot this starts a /usr/local/bin/kdm script the hald and dbus deamons are runnng ($ ps -jaxw | grep hald ..) /usr/local/bin/kdm is a shell script first running /usr/local/bin/genkdmconf with config files from /usr/local/share/config/kdm directory but is is unclear if (and how) I can make a difference there between the console and an X-terminal somewhere -- # more /etc/ttys ... # $FreeBSD: src/etc/etc.amd64/ttys,v 1.18.2.1.6.1 2010/12/21 17:09:25 kensmith Exp $ ... console noneunknown off secure # ttyv0 /usr/libexec/getty Pc cons25 on secure # Virtual terminals ttyv1 /usr/libexec/getty Pc cons25 on secure ttyv2 /usr/libexec/getty Pc cons25 on secure ttyv3 /usr/libexec/getty Pc cons25 on secure ttyv4 /usr/libexec/getty Pc cons25 on secure ttyv5 /usr/libexec/getty Pc cons25 on secure ttyv6 /usr/libexec/getty Pc cons25 on secure ttyv7 /usr/libexec/getty Pc cons25 on secure #ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/xdm -nodaemon xterm off secure ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon xterm on secure # Serial terminals # The 'dialup' keyword identifies dialin lines to login, fingerd etc. ttyu0 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 dialup off secure ttyu1 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 dialup off secure ttyu2 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 dialup off secure ttyu3 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 dialup off secure # Dumb console dcons /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 vt100 off secure # Pseudo terminals ttyp0 nonenetwork ttyp1 nonenetwork ... ttySv nonenetwork - 2011/10/5 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Wednesday, October 05, 2011 a las 12:10:47PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert escribió: n dhert ndhert...@gmail.com writes: FreeBSD-8.2 with Xorg: Is there a way one can specify that your never have X on the console (just the login: prompt) but still have X on any other X-windows termnal (an KDM login window) and graphical environment Sure. It's all in how you configure KDM. In xdm it's set up in the access file; I wouldn't be surprised if kdm were the same. You have login: on console, login, create a file ~/.xinitrc with the lines: twm xterm and then you just say: startx and X11 will come up; ofc you could remove software or create some dirty xorg.conf file which X11 will not let come up; Couldn't you just remove execute permission for the X server binaries? People using X terminals will only be running X clients, since the server will be their terminal. In fact, i think you only need a server installed at all in this situation for dependency reasons. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
El día Thursday, October 06, 2011 a las 11:04:33AM +0200, n dhert escribió: It is not so clear .. My problem is: My FreeBSD is a VMware Virtual machine, for 2 years. When connecting to that machine via vSphere client, I get a KDM login window and via Ctrl-Alt-F1 can switch to a console prompt Well, that *was* possible .. Since the last reboot, Ctrl-Alt-F1 (F2, .. F8) doesn't do anything anymore... Can't understand why, it always worked in the past? Try: Ctrl-Alt-SPACE and while Ctrl-ALt still down F1 matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
I tried that already yesterday, with disastreous results: keyboard and mouse completely locked. Closed vsphere and started again, connect to freebsd machine: black window, no reaction to any keyboard of mouse .. 2011/10/6 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de El día Thursday, October 06, 2011 a las 11:04:33AM +0200, n dhert escribió: It is not so clear .. My problem is: My FreeBSD is a VMware Virtual machine, for 2 years. When connecting to that machine via vSphere client, I get a KDM login window and via Ctrl-Alt-F1 can switch to a console prompt Well, that *was* possible .. Since the last reboot, Ctrl-Alt-F1 (F2, .. F8) doesn't do anything anymore... Can't understand why, it always worked in the past? Try: Ctrl-Alt-SPACE and while Ctrl-ALt still down F1 matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
El día Thursday, October 06, 2011 a las 11:51:22AM +0200, n dhert escribió: I tried that already yesterday, with disastreous results: keyboard and mouse completely locked. Closed vsphere and started again, connect to freebsd machine: black window, no reaction to any keyboard of mouse .. Sorry to hear this. I have tested it with VMware 7.x running on my Win7 laptop and FreeBSD 9-CUR (r220692) in a VM. It worked fine for me. File a bug report against vSphere. HIH matthias PS: Please dont top-post -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
Are you sure it is a vSphere problem? I'm not sure: I have used it for 2 years without problem, only with the last reboot (for security update -p3 of FreeBSD 8.2) I got into problems. I update packages every week, maybe something changed in the X packages (I do read /ussr/ports/UPDATING always before updating, can't remember something would have to be done before upgrading) 2011/10/6 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de El día Thursday, October 06, 2011 a las 11:51:22AM +0200, n dhert escribió: I tried that already yesterday, with disastreous results: keyboard and mouse completely locked. Closed vsphere and started again, connect to freebsd machine: black window, no reaction to any keyboard of mouse .. Sorry to hear this. I have tested it with VMware 7.x running on my Win7 laptop and FreeBSD 9-CUR (r220692) in a VM. It worked fine for me. File a bug report against vSphere. HIH matthias PS: Please dont top-post -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
El día Thursday, October 06, 2011 a las 01:15:04PM +0200, n dhert escribió: Are you sure it is a vSphere problem? I'm not sure: I have used it for 2 years without problem, only with the last reboot (for security update -p3 of FreeBSD 8.2) I got into problems. I update packages every week, maybe something changed in the X packages (I do read /ussr/ports/UPDATING always before updating, can't remember something would have to be done before upgrading) (Note: I will from now ignore all top posted questions.) You can watch with xev(1) if the F1 key stroke gets delivered to the X11 server. In my case it is only delivered when I do Ctrl-Alt-Space before. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
(sorry for top posting, but your private address always comes in To: have to remember deleting it..) I can only test on my Xterminal since vsphere connection is a black screen .. on Xterminal, xev : when hitting F1 in the small Event test window, I get answer: KeyPress event, serial 29, synthetic NO, window 0x481, root 0x28, subw 0x0, time 2562153193, (4,176), root:(759,203), state 0x0, keycode 15 (keysym 0xffbe, F1), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x481, root 0x28, subw 0x0, time 2562153265, (4,176), root:(759,203), state 0x0, keycode 15 (keysym 0xffbe, F1), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False 2011/10/6 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de El día Thursday, October 06, 2011 a las 01:15:04PM +0200, n dhert escribió: Are you sure it is a vSphere problem? I'm not sure: I have used it for 2 years without problem, only with the last reboot (for security update -p3 of FreeBSD 8.2) I got into problems. I update packages every week, maybe something changed in the X packages (I do read /ussr/ports/UPDATING always before updating, can't remember something would have to be done before upgrading) (Note: I will from now ignore all top posted questions.) You can watch with xev(1) if the F1 key stroke gets delivered to the X11 server. In my case it is only delivered when I do Ctrl-Alt-Space before. HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ 200†-20††: 10 years war in Afghanistan. Stop it now! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
Hi, In your labserver, do you have a graphical login window at your labserver or not ? I don't want a graphical login, since I can't get anymore to the login prompt via Ctrl Alt F1 In KDM, the config directory is /usr/local/share/config/kdm for kdm window manager, there is no Xservers file, and I can't see any file .. there are Xaccess, Xwilling, Xstartup, Xreset, Xsession files and a large kdmrc file. There are no man pages for kdm, kdm-bin, Xaccess, etc... I tried setting ServerCmd= instead of ServerCmd=/usr/local/bin/X -br in the kdmrc file ... Now I only have /usr/local/bin/kdm-bin running, not /usr/local/bin/X Am I right to believe the primary role of a local X server (local= on labserver) is to have a graphical environment on that labserver machine ? 2011/10/6 Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr On 5/10/2011 1:33 μμ, n dhert wrote: FreeBSD-8.2 with Xorg: Is there a way one can specify that your never have X on the console (just the login: prompt) but still have X on any other X-windows termnal (an KDM login window) and graphical environment I've got a lab that uses XDMCP and X-terminals and I don't run X on the server. I am using XDM and have commented out the following line in /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/**Xservers: # :0 local /usr/local/bin/X :0 It might be something similar for KDM that will allow it to listen for remote connections but not run locally. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
On 6/10/2011 6:24 μμ, n dhert wrote: Hi, In your labserver, do you have a graphical login window at your labserver or not ? I don't want a graphical login, since I can't get anymore to the login prompt via Ctrl Alt F1 No graphical login. My lab server stops at the console login prompt. In KDM, the config directory is /usr/local/share/config/kdm for kdm window manager, there is no Xservers file, and I can't see any file .. there are Xaccess, Xwilling, Xstartup, Xreset, Xsession files and a large kdmrc file. There are no man pages for kdm, kdm-bin, Xaccess, etc... I tried setting ServerCmd= instead of ServerCmd=/usr/local/bin/X -br in the kdmrc file ... Now I only have /usr/local/bin/kdm-bin running, not /usr/local/bin/X Don't really know how KDM handles this. You could however - as a last resort - disable KDM and use xdm as your login manager. It is a bit rough (see login screens here http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonic2000gr/5033230929/in/set-72157625053818002) but it can start up any GUI using a simple .xsession file (xdm is not installed along with X but it is a very small port, x11/xdm). Am I right to believe the primary role of a local X server (local= on labserver) is to have a graphical environment on that labserver machine ? Yes, absolutely. There is no need to run a GUI on the lab server. It's a waste of CPU cycles and memory. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
n dhert ndhert...@gmail.com writes: FreeBSD-8.2 with Xorg: Is there a way one can specify that your never have X on the console (just the login: prompt) but still have X on any other X-windows termnal (an KDM login window) and graphical environment Sure. It's all in how you configure KDM. In xdm it's set up in the access file; I wouldn't be surprised if kdm were the same. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
El día Wednesday, October 05, 2011 a las 12:10:47PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert escribió: n dhert ndhert...@gmail.com writes: FreeBSD-8.2 with Xorg: Is there a way one can specify that your never have X on the console (just the login: prompt) but still have X on any other X-windows termnal (an KDM login window) and graphical environment Sure. It's all in how you configure KDM. In xdm it's set up in the access file; I wouldn't be surprised if kdm were the same. You have login: on console, login, create a file ~/.xinitrc with the lines: twm xterm and then you just say: startx and X11 will come up; ofc you could remove software or create some dirty xorg.conf file which X11 will not let come up; matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: X on Xterminals but not on console
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Wednesday, October 05, 2011 a las 12:10:47PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert escribió: n dhert ndhert...@gmail.com writes: FreeBSD-8.2 with Xorg: Is there a way one can specify that your never have X on the console (just the login: prompt) but still have X on any other X-windows termnal (an KDM login window) and graphical environment Sure. It's all in how you configure KDM. In xdm it's set up in the access file; I wouldn't be surprised if kdm were the same. You have login: on console, login, create a file ~/.xinitrc with the lines: twm xterm and then you just say: startx and X11 will come up; ofc you could remove software or create some dirty xorg.conf file which X11 will not let come up; Couldn't you just remove execute permission for the X server binaries? People using X terminals will only be running X clients, since the server will be their terminal. In fact, i think you only need a server installed at all in this situation for dependency reasons. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
