Re: google browser?
>I've heard certain noises on this list that the current >port-maintainer of Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just >paraphrasing the sentiment from the below thread). That's too bad. I'm using Chromium 6.0.472.63 from the ports which works quite nicely, although I'm aware of the security issues. It has the same plugin interface as Firefox so Flash and Java work reasonably well. It is indeed much faster than Firefox. R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:28:45AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > It's called Vimium, and Chad Perrin figured out how to get it working on > FreeBSD. But Vimium isn't Vimperator, and chromium disables extensions > when viewing the home page or local files. So, for instance, vimium's > key bindings don't work when viewing an HTML attachment to an email. To be perfectly clear, what I had figured out was how to get Vimium working with Chromium v5.x, back when that was the only version of chromium in FreeBSD ports. The problem was that Vimium used an extension writing feature that did not exist until 6.x, so it would not install properly on 5.x. The chromium version in ports was eventually updated to 6.x obviating the need for my fix -- but then things sorta stagnated, and we ended up with the current circumstance of a transition to a new port maintainer. As Sterling indicates, though, Vimium does not work properly (or at all) under certain circumstances, and some basic capabilities that make Vimperator usable are not (easily, at least) within the capabilities of the chromium extension system. As such, it's pretty well inferior to Vimperator, through no fault of the extension writers as far as I'm aware. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp7KT6BGu4Ph.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: google browser?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 01:52:58AM -0700, Devin Teske wrote: > > I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer > of Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the > sentiment from the below thread). My understanding is that the Chromium port maintainer's business model interfered with his ability to keep the port updated for security patches, and eventually someone else replaced him as port maintainer. The new port maintainer has been working on getting the port back up to snuff since then, which appears to be kind of a "starting over" operation in some respects. As such, one hopes that everything will be up to snuff soon, and will stay that way under new management. > > However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this > port: http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ One might presume that this is because the previous port maintainer's business model kept the port at v6.x, which is what is currently in ports. The current version of the chromium browser is 9.x, and I suspect the "minor" work done early this year is work on getting v9.x ready for inclusion in ports. > > Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium > every day on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the > above consideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this > browser in production (at least until we can get some love on those > vulnerabilities). I have the version of chromium from ports on one of my computers, and used it off-and-on alongside Firefox and Uzbl. I might have completely replaced Firefox if the extension system was robust enough to allow proper implementation of vi-like keybindings and secure use of extensions like HTTPS Everywhere, but the chromium extension system is still a little too restrictive for that, from what I've seen. I stopped using Chromium at all once those vulnerabilities had been around and unfixed in ports for a few days. You should probably do the same. > > So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... > > If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 > FreeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? > We're heavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's > opinions of Chrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a > death-knell, leaving Firefox the only real choice???). Right now, I'd choose Firefox. If the recent troubles of the chromium port get sorted out satisfactorily by the current maintainer, I might well choose that instead. Unfortunately, you've stumbled onto the situation during what appears to be a transitional period. disclaimer: I am not involved with the chromium porting effort, and am not particularly privy to the internal goings-on of its ports maintenance. My information may be out of date or misinformed. Some of what I said is pure speculation. Your mileage may vary. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpYlm5w1MgAq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: google browser?
Quoth four.harris...@googlemail.com on Wednesday, 16 February 2011: > Sorry for top-posting - my 'phone makes doing it properly difficult. > > There is a similar extension to Vimperator for Chromium, but it's name > escapes me (Vimeo?). Last time I checked though it didn't work on the FreeBSD > version. > > After some time with Vimperator now, I find myself futilely bashing 'o' and > 'j' and 'H' when browsing using IE on my works machine. > > Peter Harrison > www.4harrisons.blogspot.com > > It's called Vimium, and Chad Perrin figured out how to get it working on FreeBSD. But Vimium isn't Vimperator, and chromium disables extensions when viewing the home page or local files. So, for instance, vimium's key bindings don't work when viewing an HTML attachment to an email. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgpHg7S9i84s0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: google browser?
Sorry for top-posting - my 'phone makes doing it properly difficult. There is a similar extension to Vimperator for Chromium, but it's name escapes me (Vimeo?). Last time I checked though it didn't work on the FreeBSD version. After some time with Vimperator now, I find myself futilely bashing 'o' and 'j' and 'H' when browsing using IE on my works machine. Peter Harrison www.4harrisons.blogspot.com ----- From: "Chip Camden" Subject:Re: google browser? Date: 16th February 2011 16:06 Quoth Devin Teske on Wednesday, 23 July 2008: > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Mihai Donțu wrote: > > > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > >> icons, nothing like firefoxI give it all three thumbs > >> down. > >> > >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > >> tho. > >> > >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > > > > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulation. I > > found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , however > > it > > definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. > > > > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to > > be) > > on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and the > > incredible feel of the browser itself. > > I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer of > Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the sentiment > from the below thread). > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=890197+893402+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101231.freebsd-questions > > The OP's concerns about security vulnerabilities (though voiced over 30 days > ago) still appear to be of concern (that is to say, nothing appears to have > changed except some _minor_ work on January 18th this year by rene). > > However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this port: > http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ > > Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium every day > on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the above > consideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this browser in > production (at least until we can get some love on those vulnerabilities). > > So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... > > If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 > FreeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? We're > heavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's opinions of > Chrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a death-knell, leaving > Firefox the only real choice???). The chromium port does not require Linux emulation. Generally, I prefer chrome over firefox from the standpoint of performance and reliability, but the security issues in the port have put me off it. Meanwhile, I've become rather dependent on the Vimperator and GreaseMonkey extensions for Firefox, so I'm unlikely to change back to chrome even when its security issues are finally sorted. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
Quoth Devin Teske on Wednesday, 23 July 2008: > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Mihai Donțu wrote: > > > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > >> icons, nothing like firefoxI give it all three thumbs > >> down. > >> > >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > >> tho. > >> > >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > > > > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulation. I > > found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , however > > it > > definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. > > > > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to > > be) > > on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and the > > incredible feel of the browser itself. > > I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer of > Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the sentiment > from the below thread). > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=890197+893402+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101231.freebsd-questions > > The OP's concerns about security vulnerabilities (though voiced over 30 days > ago) still appear to be of concern (that is to say, nothing appears to have > changed except some _minor_ work on January 18th this year by rene). > > However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this port: > http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ > > Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium every day > on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the above > consideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this browser in > production (at least until we can get some love on those vulnerabilities). > > So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... > > If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 > FreeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? We're > heavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's opinions of > Chrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a death-knell, leaving > Firefox the only real choice???). The chromium port does not require Linux emulation. Generally, I prefer chrome over firefox from the standpoint of performance and reliability, but the security issues in the port have put me off it. Meanwhile, I've become rather dependent on the Vimperator and GreaseMonkey extensions for Firefox, so I'm unlikely to change back to chrome even when its security issues are finally sorted. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://chipsquips.com | http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com pgpuch5MlEUp6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Google Browser?
>On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:09, Gary Kline wrote: >> >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward >> icons, nothing like firefoxI give it all three thumbs >> down. >> >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" >> tho. >> >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? >> >> -g >> >> -- >> Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix >> Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org >> The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org >> >Hi. >I use free package from http://chromium.hybridsource.org/ on my home pc. >All works fine. >Linux emulation used only for adobe flash but is other story My two cents: >From a "user interface" perspective I find Chromium definitely nicer. Firefox, as others have pointed out, still seems slow and clunky to me. On the "free" as in free to change code front, the Mozilla folks seem more transparent. Google may release the source, but there is always a nagging feeling that might change. I've never tried to look at the Windows source code, but is it that easy to get? After all, that is clearly the largest user base. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
On Wed Feb 16 11, Silvio Siefke wrote: > Hey, > > Am 16.02.2011 10:54, schrieb Sergiy Suprun: > > Hi. > > I use free package from http://chromium.hybridsource.org/ on my home pc. > > All works fine. > > Linux emulation used only for adobe flash but is other story > > For this package u must pay, so i have understand. I has read that come > a new port from chrome, with version 9. I have no date, but wait it will > be come. pkg_add -f http://chromium.hybridsource.org/old/amd64/chromium-7.0.517.44.tbz or pkg_add -f http://chromium.hybridsource.org/old/i386/chromium-7.0.517.44.tbz should do the trick (amd64 and i386). it's an old version, but works great imo. cheers. alex > > > Silvio -- a13x ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
Hey, Am 16.02.2011 10:54, schrieb Sergiy Suprun: > Hi. > I use free package from http://chromium.hybridsource.org/ on my home pc. > All works fine. > Linux emulation used only for adobe flash but is other story For this package u must pay, so i have understand. I has read that come a new port from chrome, with version 9. I have no date, but wait it will be come. Silvio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:09, Gary Kline wrote: > > Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > icons, nothing like firefox I give it all three thumbs > down. > > Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > tho. > > Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > > -g > > -- > Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix > Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > Hi. I use free package from http://chromium.hybridsource.org/ on my home pc. All works fine. Linux emulation used only for adobe flash but is other story ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
(e-mails from the past always find me unprepared) On Wednesday 23 July 2008 11:52:58 Devin Teske wrote: > On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Mihai Donțu wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > >> icons, nothing like firefoxI give it all three thumbs > >> down. > >> > >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > >> tho. > >> > >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > > > > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulation. > > I found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , > > however it definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD > > developer. > > > > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to > > be) on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses > > and the incredible feel of the browser itself. > > I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer of > Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the > sentiment from the below thread). > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=890197+893402+/usr/local/www/db > /text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101231.freebsd-questions > > The OP's concerns about security vulnerabilities (though voiced over 30 > days ago) still appear to be of concern (that is to say, nothing appears > to have changed except some _minor_ work on January 18th this year by > rene). > > However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this port: > http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ > > Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium every > day on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the above > consideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this browser in > production (at least until we can get some love on those vulnerabilities). > > So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... > > If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 > FreeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? We're > heavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's opinions of > Chrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a death-knell, leaving > Firefox the only real choice???). I've been an avid Firefox user until ~1 month ago. I just couldn't put up with the sluggishness anymore. Tried to use Firefox 4 beta. No dice. The JS engine _is_ faster but that didn't solve the problem. The UI is just not OK. I used to think it was because of the multi-threaded design, until Opera rolled out version 10 which is just as snappy as Google Chrome. The only downside with Opera is that it's just too strict wrt standards. FF and Chrome use all kinds of quirks to make old websites render reasonably well. Still, given the current situation on FreeBSD, I'd go with Opera. I love Mozilla and its push towards a free/open web, but with version 4 they seem to have lost focus on what it matters for the majority of the people. Sure, fast web page rendering is important, but I for one wouldn't mind a slow[ish] render if I was able to quickly open another tab (page) to bash.org (just an example) while I wait for the other one to load. Note that I use FreeBSD only on my servers. I use Linux for desktop, so take my suggestion with a grain of salt. :-) -- Mihai Donțu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
On Feb 16, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Mihai Donțu wrote: > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: >> Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to >> plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward >> icons, nothing like firefoxI give it all three thumbs >> down. >> >> Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" >> tho. >> >> Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulation. I > found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , however > it > definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. > > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to be) > on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and the > incredible feel of the browser itself. I've heard certain noises on this list that the current port-maintainer of Chromium has dropped the ball (not my words, just paraphrasing the sentiment from the below thread). http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=890197+893402+/usr/local/www/db/text/2010/freebsd-questions/20101231.freebsd-questions The OP's concerns about security vulnerabilities (though voiced over 30 days ago) still appear to be of concern (that is to say, nothing appears to have changed except some _minor_ work on January 18th this year by rene). However, Freshports still has a less-than-favorable status for this port: http://www.freshports.org/www/chromium/ Now... that being said, I have a co-worker that is running Chromium every day on FreeBSD-8.1 and he's very happy with it. Though, given the above consideration, both him and I have decided to _not_ deploy this browser in production (at least until we can get some love on those vulnerabilities). So, I guess I'd like to throw the query out there... If you had to pick between Firefox and Chrome for distribution to >1000 FreeBSD systems running 8.1 in production... which would you choose? We're heavily leaning toward Firefox, but would love to hear other's opinions of Chrome (if it requires Linux emulation, that may be a death-knell, leaving Firefox the only real choice???). -- Devin > > -- > Mihai Donțu > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- Cheers, Devin Teske -> CONTACT INFORMATION <- Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax 909-477-4578 Home/Fax devin.te...@fisglobal.com -> LEGAL DISCLAIMER <- This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, and delete the original message without making a copy. -> END TRANSMISSION <- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Mihai Donțu wrote: > On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > > Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > > plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > > icons, nothing like firefoxI give it all three thumbs > > down. > > > > Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > > tho. > > > > Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > > I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulation. I > found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , > however it > definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. > > I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to > be) > on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and the > incredible feel of the browser itself. > > -- > Mihai Donțu > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > Hi, I`m running it on Debian/Linux - never tried it on FreeBSD. It is much lighter than the Linux Firefox, loads faster - uses better cache mechanisms, supports html5 video tag with both H.264 and Theora(H.264 support will drop out soon) so no need for flash, you can use extensions/plugins from Firefox and if you use Google gmail/office/calendar etc it have better performance and integration but not very different from Firefox. The downside is that you can anticipate in some strange survey that sends information about you to the advertisers mother ship, generates strange traffic with unknown content, will probably have ads in later builds :). So if you are used to and love Firefox, don`t go to Chrome there is not very big differences and probably won`t ever have. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
On Wednesday 16 February 2011 09:09:44 Gary Kline wrote: > Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > icons, nothing like firefoxI give it all three thumbs > down. > > Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > tho. > > Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? I haven't tried it, but maybe it works under the FreeBSD Linux emulation. I found some build hints here too: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Chromium , however it definitely needs some love from a dedicated FreeBSD developer. I use Google Chrome (or Chromium - depends on how bleeding edge I want to be) on Linux. I'm amazed by the speed with which the project progresses and the incredible feel of the browser itself. -- Mihai Donțu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: google browser?
On 2011/02/16 at 15:09, Gary Kline wrote: > > Anybody know how to use this "Chrome"? I don't see any places to > plug in players ... like vlc, etc. Can't find and back/Forward > icons, nothing like firefoxI give it all three thumbs > down. > > Would still like to see GOOG have its own "twitter" and "facebook" > tho. > > Anybody else have the browser on FBSD?? > Tried it before then deleted it... it depends on ALSA and builds its own webkit package instead of the one in the ports > -g > > -- > Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix >Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org > The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org > > -- If you're early, it'll be canceled. If you knock yourself out to be on time, you will have to wait. If you're late, you will be too late. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
