Re: mac mini (intel)?

2006-07-13 Thread Chuck Swiger

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
A day or three ago someone posted about having 6.1-CURRENT (I believe) 
run on a MacBook laptop.


Does anyone have it running on a Mac Mini (intel)?  I might be 
interested in getting a couple to handle email services to nfs mounted 
mail stores.  I like their small size and ability to stick several of 
them in my racks without really taking much room.  (We are short of rack 
space at the moment for many new servers).


Does FreeBSD 6.x actually boot on the hardware of these Macs yet?
(They're using EFI, not the classic PC BIOS.)

Anyway, their size is nice, but both the PPC and Intel Minis use rather pokey 
5400 RPM laptop drives, so their I/O performance is mediocre.  They'd make 
better candidates for CPU/memory-bound tasks.


Also, it's no fun at all to take them apart to swap in a new drive or more 
memory.

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Re: mac mini (intel)?

2006-07-13 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 02:01 -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote:
 Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
  A day or three ago someone posted about having 6.1-CURRENT (I believe) 
  run on a MacBook laptop.
  
  Does anyone have it running on a Mac Mini (intel)?  I might be 
  interested in getting a couple to handle email services to nfs mounted 
  mail stores.  I like their small size and ability to stick several of 
  them in my racks without really taking much room.  (We are short of rack 
  space at the moment for many new servers).
 
 Does FreeBSD 6.x actually boot on the hardware of these Macs yet?
 (They're using EFI, not the classic PC BIOS.)

Yes, with Bootcamp.  However, they cannot boot FreeBSD automatically (or
at least I haven't found a way to do it).  You must hold the Option key
down at boot-time to select the alternate OS.

Joe

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Re: mac mini (intel)?

2006-07-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:01 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:


Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
A day or three ago someone posted about having 6.1-CURRENT (I  
believe) run on a MacBook laptop.
Does anyone have it running on a Mac Mini (intel)?  I might be  
interested in getting a couple to handle email services to nfs  
mounted mail stores.  I like their small size and ability to stick  
several of them in my racks without really taking much room.  (We  
are short of rack space at the moment for many new servers).


Does FreeBSD 6.x actually boot on the hardware of these Macs yet?
(They're using EFI, not the classic PC BIOS.)


With Boot Camp you have at least pieces of the PC BIOS in  
emulation.   Anyway, someone posted to the list that they have it  
booting on a MacBook (or MacBook Pro, don't remember) and had mouse  
pad issues.  That would indicate that at least someone has gotten it  
to work...




Anyway, their size is nice, but both the PPC and Intel Minis use  
rather pokey 5400 RPM laptop drives, so their I/O performance is  
mediocre.  They'd make better candidates for CPU/memory-bound tasks.


yes and no.  I have heard feedback from others that say that the SATA  
2.5 drives in tge intel minis actually perform quite well and are  
light years ahead of the PPC minis.


But in my case, the mail store is mounted with nfs and resides on a  
Solaris 10 machine with two RAID 6 on an Areca controller, mirrored  
together with ZFS.  So the disk is only for the OS.




Also, it's no fun at all to take them apart to swap in a new drive  
or more memory.


I have the tools :-) .  Trip to Home Depot solved that issue.

I actually have a Mini but it is in use as an OS X development  
machine to test the intel versions of some software so cannot be  
touched to test FBSD.  It is not too hard to open once you know the  
secret (and are just futzing with RAM).  Took me 5 minutes once I had  
researched it on the net.


Chad



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Re: mac mini (intel)?

2006-07-13 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:


On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 02:01 -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote:

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
A day or three ago someone posted about having 6.1-CURRENT (I  
believe)

run on a MacBook laptop.

Does anyone have it running on a Mac Mini (intel)?  I might be
interested in getting a couple to handle email services to nfs  
mounted
mail stores.  I like their small size and ability to stick  
several of
them in my racks without really taking much room.  (We are short  
of rack

space at the moment for many new servers).


Does FreeBSD 6.x actually boot on the hardware of these Macs yet?
(They're using EFI, not the classic PC BIOS.)


Yes, with Bootcamp.  However, they cannot boot FreeBSD  
automatically (or
at least I haven't found a way to do it).  You must hold the Option  
key

down at boot-time to select the alternate OS.


Have you tried BAMBIOS (http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/misc/ 
legacyboot/ ?)


Chad

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Re: mac mini (intel)?

2006-07-13 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 00:54 -0600, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
 On Jul 13, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 02:01 -0400, Chuck Swiger wrote:
  Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
  A day or three ago someone posted about having 6.1-CURRENT (I  
  believe)
  run on a MacBook laptop.
 
  Does anyone have it running on a Mac Mini (intel)?  I might be
  interested in getting a couple to handle email services to nfs  
  mounted
  mail stores.  I like their small size and ability to stick  
  several of
  them in my racks without really taking much room.  (We are short  
  of rack
  space at the moment for many new servers).
 
  Does FreeBSD 6.x actually boot on the hardware of these Macs yet?
  (They're using EFI, not the classic PC BIOS.)
 
  Yes, with Bootcamp.  However, they cannot boot FreeBSD  
  automatically (or
  at least I haven't found a way to do it).  You must hold the Option  
  key
  down at boot-time to select the alternate OS.
 
 Have you tried BAMBIOS (http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/misc/ 
 legacyboot/ ?)

This sounds a bit like what Bootcamp already provides.  However, it
doesn't seem to be available currently to try.

Joe

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