Re: passwords in /etc/group

2002-11-22 Thread Gary W. Swearingen
 What purpose do they serve ?
 A System Manager can put the users in the appropriate groups
 for their work.
 I have never seen them used on any Unix system I have worked on,
 and I seem to recall from some ancient documentation that they
 are more trouble than they are worth.

(Please put blank lines between paragraphs or use bullets or
indentation or something.  This isn't a Poetry 101 forum.  Thanks.)

IRIX and Linux (and HP-UX?) had a newgrp command for changing your
current GID (eg, gid from id -g).  I've forgotten, but I suppose
newgrp used the group passwords if they were defined.  Users could
change their GID to work in different projects.

I'm not sure why FreeBSD doesn't have the feature, but I suppose someone
thought that the SUIDDIR feature was sufficient.  But I don't know what
it would hurt to have the feature which needn't be used or could easily
be disabled.

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Re: passwords in /etc/group

2002-11-22 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:32:54AM -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote:
  What purpose do they serve ?
  A System Manager can put the users in the appropriate groups
  for their work.
  I have never seen them used on any Unix system I have worked on,
  and I seem to recall from some ancient documentation that they
  are more trouble than they are worth.
 
 (Please put blank lines between paragraphs or use bullets or
 indentation or something.  This isn't a Poetry 101 forum.  Thanks.)
 
-Neither is it a forum for you to make silly snidy comments.

-The above is perfectly readable.

-And don't assume everyone is American and knows what the hell a
Poetry 101 forum is (surely it should be Forum). And please don't begin
an email with parenthetical comments. This is stylistically
unforgiveable.

You might care to know that in the language of your forefathers a blank
line is often ommitted between paragraphs.

Thanks.
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   Cliff Sarginson 
   The Netherlands

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Re: passwords in /etc/group

2002-11-22 Thread Mike Hogsett

Wow! An English right here on FreeBSD-Questions!

 On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:32:54AM -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote:
   What purpose do they serve ?
   A System Manager can put the users in the appropriate groups
   for their work.
   I have never seen them used on any Unix system I have worked on,
   and I seem to recall from some ancient documentation that they
   are more trouble than they are worth.
  
  (Please put blank lines between paragraphs or use bullets or
  indentation or something.  This isn't a Poetry 101 forum.  Thanks.)
  
 -Neither is it a forum for you to make silly snidy comments.
 
 -The above is perfectly readable.
 
 -And don't assume everyone is American and knows what the hell a
 Poetry 101 forum is (surely it should be Forum). And please don't begin
 an email with parenthetical comments. This is stylistically
 unforgiveable.
 
 You might care to know that in the language of your forefathers a blank
 line is often ommitted between paragraphs.
 
 Thanks.
 -- 
 Regards
Cliff Sarginson 
The Netherlands
 
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Re: passwords in /etc/group

2002-11-21 Thread Cliff Sarginson
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:20:32PM +0300, Sergey Matveychuk wrote:
 Hello.
 
 How can I use password in /etc/group?
 If I can't, why man groups keep silence about it?
 
Probably because no-one uses them :)
What purpose do they serve ?
A System Manager can put the users in the appropriate groups
for their work.
I have never seen them used on any Unix system I have worked on,
and I seem to recall from some ancient documentation that they
are more trouble than they are worth.

-- 
Regards
   Cliff Sarginson 
   The Netherlands

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Re: passwords in /etc/group

2002-11-21 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Nov 21), Sergey Matveychuk said:
 Hello.
 
 How can I use password in /etc/group?
 If I can't, why man groups keep silence about it?

Try man 5 group, to get a more detailed description of the /etc/group
file format.  FreeBSD does not use the group password field.

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