Re: port upgrades
On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 02:22:07PM -0500, Chris wrote: 5.2.1-RELEASE I've started using 'portupgrade' to update several ports to the latest versions, but have an odd problem when it comes to certain ports. For example: server# pkg_version -v | grep Spam bsdpan-Mail-SpamAssassin-2.63 needs updating (port has 2.63_2) server# portupgrade bsdpan-Mail-SpamAssassin --- Skipping 'mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin' because it is held by user (specify -f to force) server# portupgrade -f bsdpan-Mail-SpamAssassin Have you tried running pkgdb -F? -- -- Skylar Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~skylar/ pgpocQYl8sBq6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: port upgrades
Chris wrote: [...] So I use the -f flag to force, and get several errors like: [...] From the portupgrade man page: -r --recursiveAct on all those packages depending on the given packages as well. So I think you might want to run #portupgrade -rf bsdpan-Mail-SpamAssassin [...] I can successfully install Mail::SpamAssassin using cpan, but it never seems to show up as the latest version (always seems to need upgrading when looking at pkg_version). Are there are two different ways to install (for example) SpamAssassin (and other perl related ports)? I can use cpan OR the pkg_add / portupgrade commands but not both? Sorry, I don't know. Phil. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port upgrades
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 00:45, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 09:01:15PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 19:35, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:14:34PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 17:28, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all, Is there a way to do a quick update of a particular port directory ??? I don't necessarily want to do the portupgrade, but just get the latest port files for a particular port. Right now, if i want to make sure the ports are up to date, I have to use sysinstall to download the entire port collection, which takes forever... Am I missing a quick utility to just check and make sure I have the latest port files for one at a time ? You could use CVSup to update just the directories you want, and you can also put this into the system crontab to periodically run it. That's pretty convenient. You _will_ run into problems if you only update parts of the ports collection. Well, I didn't mean upgrading of just one or two directories, but rather skipping directories such as the japanese ports if you don't speak japanese. Almost no ports depend on things in language-specific directories (at least not the ones I have installed). OK, but you still can't do some things like build an index because some things do still depend on those ports you're not upgrading. While we're on the subject, how do you build an index of the binary packages you have? I needed this a long time ago, when I created a custom FreeBSD installation CD-ROM, and I thought shellscript and hand-editing were the only ways to do it. Recursive fetching was a pain too, even with portupgrade. How do you gurus solve this? Daniela ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port upgrades
On Monday 07 June 2004 10:28 am, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all, Is there a way to do a quick update of a particular port directory ??? I don't necessarily want to do the portupgrade, but just get the latest port files for a particular port. Right now, if i want to make sure the ports are up to date, I have to use sysinstall to download the entire port collection, which takes forever... Am I missing a quick utility to just check and make sure I have the latest port files for one at a time ? Thanks, Tim. You need to read the Handbook on maintaing your ports, which is now chapter 4. Then, install cvsup[-without-gui], copy the ports-supfile from the share/examples directory into a safe place, change the CHANGE_THIS to something real from the cvsup mirror list in the handbook and run it. If you don't know where the share/examples directory is located do a locate ports-supfile and locate will tell you where it is. If you don't have locate running, do a man located and then run the script to build the database. You need to run portsdb -uU to update the INDEX[.db] files and then you can install ports such as portupgrade that make the actually upgrade process simple. I maintain that sysinstall only has value when you are doing a SYStem INSTALL] and should be left alone after that. I don't do that because I still find adding a new HD easier from sysinstall. I do not use it to help maintain my system or the port-system. There are tools that are much better suited for that task once you have a running system. Kent SimpleNet's Back ! [1]http://www.simplenet.com/ References 1. http://www.simplenet.com/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port upgrades
On Monday 07 June 2004 17:28, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all, Is there a way to do a quick update of a particular port directory ??? I don't necessarily want to do the portupgrade, but just get the latest port files for a particular port. Right now, if i want to make sure the ports are up to date, I have to use sysinstall to download the entire port collection, which takes forever... Am I missing a quick utility to just check and make sure I have the latest port files for one at a time ? You could use CVSup to update just the directories you want, and you can also put this into the system crontab to periodically run it. That's pretty convenient. Daniela ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port upgrades
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:14:34PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 17:28, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all, Is there a way to do a quick update of a particular port directory ??? I don't necessarily want to do the portupgrade, but just get the latest port files for a particular port. Right now, if i want to make sure the ports are up to date, I have to use sysinstall to download the entire port collection, which takes forever... Am I missing a quick utility to just check and make sure I have the latest port files for one at a time ? You could use CVSup to update just the directories you want, and you can also put this into the system crontab to periodically run it. That's pretty convenient. You _will_ run into problems if you only update parts of the ports collection. Kris pgpoS298uhWbZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: port upgrades
On Monday 07 June 2004 19:35, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:14:34PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 17:28, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all, Is there a way to do a quick update of a particular port directory ??? I don't necessarily want to do the portupgrade, but just get the latest port files for a particular port. Right now, if i want to make sure the ports are up to date, I have to use sysinstall to download the entire port collection, which takes forever... Am I missing a quick utility to just check and make sure I have the latest port files for one at a time ? You could use CVSup to update just the directories you want, and you can also put this into the system crontab to periodically run it. That's pretty convenient. You _will_ run into problems if you only update parts of the ports collection. Well, I didn't mean upgrading of just one or two directories, but rather skipping directories such as the japanese ports if you don't speak japanese. Almost no ports depend on things in language-specific directories (at least not the ones I have installed). Daniela ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port upgrades
On Monday 07 June 2004 02:01 pm, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 19:35, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:14:34PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 17:28, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all, Is there a way to do a quick update of a particular port directory ??? I don't necessarily want to do the portupgrade, but just get the latest port files for a particular port. Right now, if i want to make sure the ports are up to date, I have to use sysinstall to download the entire port collection, which takes forever... Am I missing a quick utility to just check and make sure I have the latest port files for one at a time ? You could use CVSup to update just the directories you want, and you can also put this into the system crontab to periodically run it. That's pretty convenient. You _will_ run into problems if you only update parts of the ports collection. Well, I didn't mean upgrading of just one or two directories, but rather skipping directories such as the japanese ports if you don't speak japanese. Almost no ports depend on things in language-specific directories (at least not the ones I have installed). Well, there are side effects that you may not know or think about. For example, many of the ports include pieces from other pieces. If you don't upgrade everything, you could be using old information. Make is very particular and the only safe way to refuse, is to delete the refused tree, and then modify /usr/ports/Makefile to ignore those pieces. If you follow those steps and something breaks during the make index process, there is a lot that you don't understand about make and will learn soon :). FWIW, you don't save a lot of disk space by cvsuping ports-all and you may save yourself a lot of problems you wouldn't think about. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: port upgrades
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 09:01:15PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 19:35, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 07:14:34PM +, Daniela wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 17:28, Tim Traver wrote: Hi all, Is there a way to do a quick update of a particular port directory ??? I don't necessarily want to do the portupgrade, but just get the latest port files for a particular port. Right now, if i want to make sure the ports are up to date, I have to use sysinstall to download the entire port collection, which takes forever... Am I missing a quick utility to just check and make sure I have the latest port files for one at a time ? You could use CVSup to update just the directories you want, and you can also put this into the system crontab to periodically run it. That's pretty convenient. You _will_ run into problems if you only update parts of the ports collection. Well, I didn't mean upgrading of just one or two directories, but rather skipping directories such as the japanese ports if you don't speak japanese. Almost no ports depend on things in language-specific directories (at least not the ones I have installed). OK, but you still can't do some things like build an index because some things do still depend on those ports you're not upgrading. Kris pgpFN8xS1bntr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Port Upgrades
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:55:38 -0800 Loren M. Lang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I install a new port, does it upgrade any already installed ports if the new port depends on them. No. And to upgrade any security fixes, just running cvsup on the ports tree, then running portupgrade? Yes. portupgrade -r and eventually -f. Also, is there any way to automate this, I have a freebsd mail server setup for a company that I may not get to visit very often. Then again, it may not be the wisest to upgrade software with no one to monitor it. Yes, it is not. portugrtade tries to keep the upgrade safe, but you should take a look nevertheless. Is there any way to select just major security and avoid upgrading ports that just add features? Subscribe t [EMAIL PROTECTED] and read the commit message. Or use freshports.org for the same thing. And does the freebsd kernel also get upgraded. Would I have to reinstall it or would the port do it automatically? Please, please read The cutting edge chapter of the handbook. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Port Upgrades
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 01:55:38AM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: When I install a new port, does it upgrade any already installed ports if the new port depends on them. And to upgrade any security fixes, just running cvsup on the ports tree, then running portupgrade? Installing a new port doesn't upgrade any installed port. You have to use portupgrade to do this. Also, is there any way to automate this, I have a freebsd mail server setup for a company that I may not get to visit very often. Then again, it may not be the wisest to upgrade software with no one to monitor it. Portupgrade works fine most of the time; but when it doesn't upgrade ports properly (the rare instance) manual intervention is required - trouble is one needs to monitor for these... Is there any way to select just major security and avoid upgrading ports that just add features? Well, you need to look at the commits on the ports if you want to do this. Thankfully http://www.freshports.org/ exists. And does the freebsd kernel also get upgraded. Would I have to reinstall it or would the port do it automatically? The kernel doesn't get upgraded automatically. You have to cvsup to the latest sources and build the userland and kernel (NOTE: You have to do *both* of these, otherwise you will have Real Problems). Check out the Handbook for more details. Cheers. -- Jonathan Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- A person should be able to do a small bit of everything, specialisation is for insects ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Port Upgrades
On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 01:55:38AM -0800, Loren M. Lang wrote: When I install a new port, does it upgrade any already installed ports if the new port depends on them. And to upgrade any security fixes, just running cvsup on the ports tree, then running portupgrade? Generally, no. If you go into the port directory and delete and re-install the port, it won't check that all of the dependencies are up to date. portupgrade(1) is the solution to that and other considerations of keeping an array of ported software up to date. There's no distinction made between updates to the ports tree to close security holes or to introduce new features. You should set up a watch on the ports you're interested in at http://www.freshports.org/ -- the commit log messages will tell you why ports were updated. Also, is there any way to automate this, I have a freebsd mail server setup for a company that I may not get to visit very often. Then again, it may not be the wisest to upgrade software with no one to monitor it. It usually helps to have a spare system you can run the same software on, to test out any updates before you apply them to the production server. It's also good to have good backups and be capable of backing out any changes if necessary. Is there any way to select just major security and avoid upgrading ports that just add features? Only by keeping a close eye on commit messages in the ports CVS, following the freebsd-ports@ mailing list, and by general awareness of security issues around the net. And does the freebsd kernel also get upgraded. Would I have to reinstall it or would the port do it automatically? No, updating the ports is a completely separate operation to updating the base system. Unlike dealing with ports, by tracking one of the security branches of the OS, you will automatically get just the security fixes and any really vital bug-fixes. You can receive notifications of problems in the base system by subscribing to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists. Updating the base system involves compiling and reinstalling all of the userland utilities, system shared libraries etc. You have to recompile and reinstall the kernel in synch with that, or various utilities like top(1) and ps(1) will cease to work. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
