Re: qmail or postfix?
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Re: qmail or postfix?
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Re: qmail or postfix?
Jarrod == Jarrod Slick jar...@e-sensibility.com writes: Jarrod If you know of any specific problems with postfix that would Jarrod substantiate your claim I encourage you to inform the project's Jarrod maintainers. In fact, given the legacy of other security tools created by the author of Postfix (Wietse Venema) (SATAN, TCP Wrappers, Coroner's Toolkit), I'd say that postfix was *also* designed from the start as a secure MTA. It certainly looks that way. I've met Wietse in person... he's an upstanding guy. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Paul Macdonald p...@ifdnrg.com wrote: On 01/02/2011 19:48, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: No, seriously... I was using sendmail before discovering postfix, and pretty darn good at m4. Or is that m4()dnl()? :) But I've never found postfix without a knob to do something I want it to do, and most of the knobs are set properly right out of the box. (And reasonably named too!) so for us folks still using sendmail (which works fine for me) what benefits do we get with postfix that'd outweigh the hassles of changing? sendmail's support of a UUCP backend maybe? But apparently, it's possible to do that in postfix too[1] so I don't really know of any compelling reason to stick to sendmail, except for being accustomed to configuring and managing it, which is a purely subjective matter. [1]: http://www.postfix.org/UUCP_README.html -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
version i tried. that turns off certain maintainers, and it would put me off aswell postfix on the other hand is more in tune with the rest of the system thanks in advance ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Nowadays I think Postfix is much more complete and efficient mail system than Qmail although this one it's a pretty small and good code by design mail system... but the problem is that you'll probably need more features than qmail-1.03 gave unless... so you will need to patch it, so you're entering non qmail native code... By my professional experience... Postfix will give you more oportunities and features for things going well... Some years ago I set up qmail servers and I like qmail and I like playing with it's code... but should say that nowadays unless IMHO... Postfix is basically the nowadays opensource mail system. Bye!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On 2/1/2011 at 8:44 PM Paul Macdonald wrote: |On 01/02/2011 19:48, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: | | No, seriously... I was using sendmail before discovering postfix, and | pretty darn good at m4. Or is that m4()dnl()? :) | | But I've never found postfix without a knob to do something I want it to | do, and most of the knobs are set properly right out of the box. (And | reasonably named too!) | |so for us folks still using sendmail (which works fine for me) | |what benefits do we get with postfix that'd outweigh the hassles of |changing? = If you are happy with sendmail, why change a working thing? For me, the need to move to Postfix became very apparent once I wanted to make some [what I thought to be] simple configuration changes (different transports for different domains, virtual mailboxes, etc.). I found sendmail's configuration to be daunting. So I looked elsewhere. About ten years ago I started using Postix and I've not looked back. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 03:32:26PM +0100, Alessandro Baggi wrote: Hi list. Who is better, qmail or postfix? thanks in advance I've used both and both have their advocates/supporters. I used qmail for about 10 yrs and picked it when basically the choice was qmail, sendmail and smail. It worked well and was install and configure and don't do anything else for 10 years. Then a few years ago I was building a new machine and decided to re-assess the MTA; I chose Postfix and am very pleased with it. I chose Postfix because more people run it and support was likely easier to come across, not because of any perceived inadequacies of qmail. When you do decide on your MTA, I'd recommend buying a book which documents it. What I'd also say is that Postfix is probably easier to install and configure. I installed qmail from source but used the port for Postfix. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On 02-02-2011 16:37, Frank Shute wrote: What I'd also say is that Postfix is probably easier to install and configure. Agreed. Postfix is *really* easy and well documented; so much that I've seen people claim that it can't be that good since it's so easy to configure, with great defaults and human-readable config files, and powerful means hard to configure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
When you do decide on your MTA, I'd recommend buying a book which documents it. Oh, definitely. Particularly if you decide on qmail. R's, John ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 09:32, Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list. Who is better, qmail or postfix? thanks in advance That's a loaded question. Both have advocates, just like vi or emacs, Linux or Nothing, FreeBSD or OpenBSD, OS X or Windows and X Window System or CLI. That said, if you know neither and your requirements are met by both of them, I'd opt for postfix. It isn't as burdened with dependencies and, from what I can tell, it enjoys a larger, more active support community. kmw ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:32:26 +0100 Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com articulated: Hi list. Who is better, qmail or postfix? qmail is not actively supported by its developer. It requires numerous patches, etc to bring it up to acceptable servicable standards. Postfix is actively maintained and is constantly being upgraded by its author. Its mail forum is robust and Postfix has outstanding documentation; perhaps the best of any software available in the FOSS world. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
I like qmail, but I would, having written a book about it. If you want something that works reasonably well out of the box, I'd use Postfix. If you want something you can tweak to do whatever you want, qmail is more of a toolkit. Don't use the version of qmail in ports, it includes way too many sloppily written patches. netqmail 1.06 is a reasonable place to start. http://qmail.org/netqmail/ I've replaced the qmail SMTP daemon with Bruce Guenter's mailfront, which is in the ports collection. It has a flexible plugin design which I've used to do better logging, spamassassin and DCC during the SMTP session, etc. Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On 2/1/2011 at 10:23 AM Jerry wrote: |On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:32:26 +0100 |Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com articulated: | | Hi list. Who is better, qmail or postfix? | |qmail is not actively supported by its developer. It requires |numerous patches, etc to bring it up to acceptable servicable standards. | |Postfix is actively maintained and is constantly being upgraded by |its author. Its mail forum is robust and Postfix has outstanding |documentation; perhaps the best of any software available in the FOSS |world. = It is a good thing I read all the replies before I posted mine, as your reply is almost word-for-word identical to what I was going to say. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: On 2/1/2011 at 10:23 AM Jerry wrote: |On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:32:26 +0100 |Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com articulated: | | Hi list. Who is better, qmail or postfix? | |qmail is not actively supported by its developer. It requires |numerous patches, etc to bring it up to acceptable servicable standards. | |Postfix is actively maintained and is constantly being upgraded by |its author. Its mail forum is robust and Postfix has outstanding |documentation; perhaps the best of any software available in the FOSS |world. = It is a good thing I read all the replies before I posted mine, as your reply is almost word-for-word identical to what I was going to say. :) Postfix hands down is better, recent, well maintained and excellently documented ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: On 2/1/2011 at 10:23 AM Jerry wrote: |On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:32:26 +0100 |Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com articulated: | | Hi list. Who is better, qmail or postfix? | |qmail is not actively supported by its developer. It requires |numerous patches, etc to bring it up to acceptable servicable standards. | |Postfix is actively maintained and is constantly being upgraded by |its author. Its mail forum is robust and Postfix has outstanding |documentation; perhaps the best of any software available in the FOSS |world. = It is a good thing I read all the replies before I posted mine, as your reply is almost word-for-word identical to what I was going to say. :) yeah... what he said... !!! :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
Outback == Outback Dingo outbackdi...@gmail.com writes: |Postfix is actively maintained and is constantly being upgraded by |its author. Its mail forum is robust and Postfix has outstanding |documentation; perhaps the best of any software available in the FOSS |world. = It is a good thing I read all the replies before I posted mine, as your reply is almost word-for-word identical to what I was going to say. :) Outback yeah... what he said... !!! :) +1 :) No, seriously... I was using sendmail before discovering postfix, and pretty darn good at m4. Or is that m4()dnl()? :) But I've never found postfix without a knob to do something I want it to do, and most of the knobs are set properly right out of the box. (And reasonably named too!) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On 01/02/2011 19:48, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: No, seriously... I was using sendmail before discovering postfix, and pretty darn good at m4. Or is that m4()dnl()? :) But I've never found postfix without a knob to do something I want it to do, and most of the knobs are set properly right out of the box. (And reasonably named too!) so for us folks still using sendmail (which works fine for me) what benefits do we get with postfix that'd outweigh the hassles of changing? -- - Paul Macdonald IFDNRG Ltd Web and video hosting - t: 0131 5548070 m: 07534206249 e: p...@ifdnrg.com w: http://www.ifdnrg.com - IFDNRG 40 Maritime Street Edinburgh EH6 6SA - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 20:44:24 + Paul Macdonald p...@ifdnrg.com articulated: so for us folks still using sendmail (which works fine for me) what benefits do we get with postfix that'd outweigh the hassles of changing? Without knowing your exact configuration and requirements, answering that question is at best a guess. In addition, as a long time subscriber to the theory, If it ain't broke, don't fix it, the only way to ascertain that answer would be to study the Postfix documentation and then decide if it offers better methods of doing whatever it is you are now doing with your present MTA and if changing MTAs would serve a useful purpose. Postfix-2.8 has an impressive feature, postscreen built into it. You can check the documentation for its use and implementation. I don't believe that Sendmail has any such native function. The Postfix forum could provide answers to any reasonable question that you might have regarding the two MTAs. I have no knowledge of what support is available for Sendmail. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 08:44:24PM +, Paul Macdonald wrote: On 01/02/2011 19:48, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: No, seriously... I was using sendmail before discovering postfix, and pretty darn good at m4. Or is that m4()dnl()? :) But I've never found postfix without a knob to do something I want it to do, and most of the knobs are set properly right out of the box. (And reasonably named too!) so for us folks still using sendmail (which works fine for me) what benefits do we get with postfix that'd outweigh the hassles of changing? Probably nothing, if you're asking about changing a current MTA deployment when you're satisfied with what you have. If you are looking for an alternative to replace what you have because of frustrations with your current setup, or if you are considering new deployments and whether it is worthwhile to learn something new, that is another story altogether. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpAnaag8vMVS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list. Who is better, qmail or postfix? qmail is more secure... but the design is just as alien to unix as sendmail is for example, the fact that qmail uses custom libc, or at least did so on the version i tried. that turns off certain maintainers, and it would put me off aswell postfix on the other hand is more in tune with the rest of the system thanks in advance ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
Calling qmail more secure is pretty much just echoing conjecture at this point. Sure, it was designed to be secure (years and years ago) and the original author even held a contest with a monetary reward for anyone who could find a vulnerability -- that said, AFAIK that person no longer maintains the project. It requires lots of third party patches to be as functional as postfix, so to what extent these patches counteract the original coder's (apparent) secure coding practices is open to debate. If you know of any specific problems with postfix that would substantiate your claim I encourage you to inform the project's maintainers. From personal experience I can say that I've run a postfix config for years without problems. Also, in most networks I don't think the MTA is a very prominent attack vector; people are probably much more likely to get in through that old wordpress installation you've been meaning to upgrade for 6 months (for instance). On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Andres Perera andre...@zoho.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Alessandro Baggi alessandro.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list. Who is better, qmail or postfix? qmail is more secure... but the design is just as alien to unix as sendmail is for example, the fact that qmail uses custom libc, or at least did so on the version i tried. that turns off certain maintainers, and it would put me off aswell postfix on the other hand is more in tune with the rest of the system thanks in advance ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: qmail or postfix?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Jarrod Slick jar...@e-sensibility.com wrote: Calling qmail more secure is pretty much just echoing conjecture at this point. Sure, it was designed to be secure (years and years ago) and the original author even held a contest with a monetary reward for anyone who could find a vulnerability -- that said, AFAIK that person no longer maintains the project. It requires lots of third party patches to be as functional as postfix, so to what extent these patches counteract the original coder's (apparent) secure coding practices is open to debate. that would be besides the point. having the ability to patch up freebsd doesn't grant me the authority of claiming that my work is the official version, or atleast doesn't guarantee that i'll have an audience for my claim If you know of any specific problems with postfix that would substantiate your claim I encourage you to inform the project's maintainers. From personal experience I can say that I've run a postfix config for years without problems. Also, in most networks I don't think the MTA is a very prominent attack vector; people are probably much more likely to get in through that old wordpress installation you've been meaning to upgrade for 6 months (for instance). you seem to be confused by what i posted i don't have an explicit example (e.g., buffer overflow) to show that qmail is more secure. it has to do with the design principles of each and how the system is layed out. while it's true that postfix is partitioned, qmail goes a little further than that by taking a big dump on libc that's not to say that postfix is inherently insecure ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
