Re: update from 7.0 to 7.2?

2009-06-30 Thread Olivier Nicole
> > Brad Mettee  writes:
> > 
> > > If a system is stable and ports are up to date, serving mail & web
> > > pages as needed, is there any reason to update from this:
> > > FreeBSD ns1.pchotshots.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb
> > > 24 10:35:36 UTC 2008
> > > r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> > >
> > > To something newer? (like 7.2 stable)
> > >
> > > Would there be any noticeable benefit from an update?
> > 
> > At *least* make sure you get the security updates...
> > 
> Other reason to make time to time a update is to simplify you life when
> your old version don't work after N years. Someday you may have (for example)
> postfix don't work anymore on you old version. So when you don't have the
> choice, the update may very hard to make.

Another reason to consider, at some date, 7.0 will not be amintained
anymore.

At that time you may be facing difficulties to upgrade to the latest
legacy release: upgrades are better tested when done in sequence: 7.0
to 7.1, 7.1 to 7.2, etc. 7.x to 8.y. 7.0 to 8.y may work, or may
not. So you better not stay too far behind.

Bests,

Olivier
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Re: update from 7.0 to 7.2?

2009-06-30 Thread Albert Shih
 Le 29/06/2009 à 15:20:59-0400, Lowell Gilbert a écrit
> Brad Mettee  writes:
> 
> > If a system is stable and ports are up to date, serving mail & web
> > pages as needed, is there any reason to update from this:
> > FreeBSD ns1.pchotshots.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb
> > 24 10:35:36 UTC 2008
> > r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> >
> > To something newer? (like 7.2 stable)
> >
> > Would there be any noticeable benefit from an update?
> 
> At *least* make sure you get the security updates...
> 
Other reason to make time to time a update is to simplify you life when
your old version don't work after N years. Someday you may have (for example)
postfix don't work anymore on you old version. So when you don't have the
choice, the update may very hard to make.

Regards.


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Re: update from 7.0 to 7.2?

2009-06-29 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi,

my general concept is not to stick with the releases but to keep 
the kernel on the current development like using RELENG_7 for 
CVS.

You will notice that HAL and DBUS changed. I noticed because of 
this real speed improvements on a slower machine.

Anyway, if this server runs mail and web pages, it is public 
available and so prone to attacks. So, make sure that you have 
the security updates installed.

Erich

On 30 June 2009 am 02:05:29 Brad Mettee wrote:
> If a system is stable and ports are up to date, serving mail &
> web pages as needed, is there any reason to update from this:
> FreeBSD ns1.pchotshots.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0:
> Sun Feb 24 10:35:36 UTC
> 2008
> r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC 
> amd64
>
> To something newer? (like 7.2 stable)
>
> Would there be any noticeable benefit from an update?
>
> Thanks
>
>  Brad Mettee
>  PC HotShots, Inc.
>  Baltimore, MD
>  (410) 426-7617
>
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> company.
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Re: update from 7.0 to 7.2?

2009-06-29 Thread Brad Mettee

At 03:20 PM 6/29/2009, you wrote:

Brad Mettee  writes:

> If a system is stable and ports are up to date, serving mail & web
> pages as needed, is there any reason to update from this:
> FreeBSD ns1.pchotshots.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb
> 24 10:35:36 UTC 2008
> r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>
> To something newer? (like 7.2 stable)
>
> Would there be any noticeable benefit from an update?

At *least* make sure you get the security updates...

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Ok, looks like I have some reading to do.

Thanks everyone.


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Re: update from 7.0 to 7.2?

2009-06-29 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Brad Mettee  writes:

> If a system is stable and ports are up to date, serving mail & web
> pages as needed, is there any reason to update from this:
> FreeBSD ns1.pchotshots.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb
> 24 10:35:36 UTC 2008
> r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
>
> To something newer? (like 7.2 stable)
>
> Would there be any noticeable benefit from an update?

At *least* make sure you get the security updates...

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Re: update from 7.0 to 7.2?

2009-06-29 Thread Roland Smith
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:05:29PM -0400, Brad Mettee wrote:
> If a system is stable and ports are up to date, serving mail & web pages as 
> needed, is there any reason to update from this:
> FreeBSD ns1.pchotshots.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24 
> 10:35:36 UTC 
> 2008 r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> 
> To something newer? (like 7.2 stable)
> 
> Would there be any noticeable benefit from an update?
 
It depends. There are vulnerabilities in kernel and userland fixed
between 7.0-RELEASE and 7.2-RELEASE-p2. See
http://security.freebsd.org/advisories.html If any of these
vulneratbilities affect your system you should see if there are
workarounds mentioned. If not it would be best to upgrade. 

If you subscribe tot the freebsd-announce mailing-list, you'll be warned
when a vulnerability is found. You can then judge if it is wise to apply
the fix.

In general, I would follow the minor version branch (RELENG_7_X,
7.2-RELEASE-pX) to pick up fixes for vulnerabilities.

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Re: update from 7.0 to 7.2?

2009-06-29 Thread Earl Gay
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Brad Mettee  wrote:

> If a system is stable and ports are up to date, serving mail & web pages as
> needed, is there any reason to update from this:
> FreeBSD ns1.pchotshots.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24
> 10:35:36 UTC 2008 
> r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>  amd64
>
> To something newer? (like 7.2 stable)
>
> Would there be any noticeable benefit from an update?
>
> Thanks
>
>Brad Mettee
>PC HotShots, Inc.
>Baltimore, MD
>(410) 426-7617



There's always the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" belief. If you're using
ZFS, 7.2-STABLE has the latest ZFS update; comparitavely, 7.1-RELEASE has a
longer time until end-of-life. You could also check out the release notes to
see if any of the updates are something worth upgrading for, respective to
your needs/setup.

Regards,
Earl
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Re: update from 7.0 to 7.2?

2009-06-29 Thread Andreas Rudisch
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:05:29 -0400
Brad Mettee  wrote:

> If a system is stable and ports are up to date, serving mail & web pages as 
> needed, is there any reason to update from this:
> FreeBSD ns1.pchotshots.com 7.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE #0: Sun Feb 24 
> 10:35:36 UTC 
> 2008 r...@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64
> 
> To something newer? (like 7.2 stable)
> 
> Would there be any noticeable benefit from an update?

You mean other than using a supported system with bug and security fixes?

Andreas
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