Re: Using freebsd-update after upgrading from source

2008-07-01 Thread Victor Sudakov
Victor Sudakov wrote:
> > >
> > >I have been updating 6.2-RELEASE with freebsd-update. Recently I
> > >upgraded it to RELENG_6_3 from source. Can I continue using
> > >freebsd-update or must I upgrade only from source from now on?
> > >
> > >  
> > 
> > I don't see why not. 
> 
> I was wondering if freebsd-update will break if my binaries happen to
> be different from those in the official release. 

I conducted another experiment:
cp /bin/ls /usr/lib/libssh.so.2 
apply freebsd-update fetch install

And freebsd-update did replace the bogus /usr/lib/libssh.so.2.
So I can conclude that it WILL replace modified files (unless they are
listed in UpdateIfUnmodified).

I have not yet understood freebsd-update.sh well enough to figure out
how it finds modified files. However, it seems safe to be used after a
buildworld.

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Re: Using freebsd-update after upgrading from source

2008-07-01 Thread Victor Sudakov
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> >
> >I have been updating 6.2-RELEASE with freebsd-update. Recently I
> >upgraded it to RELENG_6_3 from source. Can I continue using
> >freebsd-update or must I upgrade only from source from now on?
> >
> >  
> 
> I don't see why not. 

I was wondering if freebsd-update will break if my binaries happen to
be different from those in the official release. 

> freebsd-update will download binary updates to the 
> system as well as the relevant sources for them (look at 
> /etc/freebsd-update.conf to verify).

I don't update sources with freebsd-update. I mount them from an NFS
server running cvsup.

> 
> >I conducted an experiment and got inconclusive results. I had upgraded
> >to RELENG_6_3-p2 where the problems with libpthread and ssh are
> >already fixed. However, when I ran freebsd-update, it did replace
> >libpthread and libssh. It also replaced the kernel, downgrading it
> >from 6.3-RELEASE-p2 to 6.3-RELEASE-p1!
> >  
> 
> Don't be so sure. If you are running a GENERIC kernel, freebsd-update 
> simply downloaded the latest. If -p2 did not have any kernel updates (it 
> did not IIRC) you got the kernel for -p1.  The fact it replaced your 
> GENERIC (which had a -p2 deisgnation in uname) is probably because this 
> was compiled on your system so freebsd-update did not recognize the 
> version. These two should be functionally identical. In fact if you just 
> recompile the kernel now, it will report -p2 

If i recompile GENERIC now, freebsd-update will suggest updating 
it again and again 

P.S. I know that freebsd-update will leave the kernel alone if 
"uname -i" is not GENERIC|SMP, but my question is more generic. 
How well can freebsd-update handle a system compiled from source?

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Re: Using freebsd-update after upgrading from source

2008-06-30 Thread Victor Sudakov
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
> >
> >I have been updating 6.2-RELEASE with freebsd-update. Recently I
> >upgraded it to RELENG_6_3 from source. Can I continue using
> >freebsd-update or must I upgrade only from source from now on?
> >
> >  
> 
> I don't see why not. 

I was wondering if freebsd-update will break if my binaries happen to
be different from those in the official release. 

> freebsd-update will download binary updates to the 
> system as well as the relevant sources for them (look at 
> /etc/freebsd-update.conf to verify).

I don't update sources with freebsd-update. I mount them from an NFS
server running cvsup.

> 
> >I conducted an experiment and got inconclusive results. I had upgraded
> >to RELENG_6_3-p2 where the problems with libpthread and ssh are
> >already fixed. However, when I ran freebsd-update, it did replace
> >libpthread and libssh. It also replaced the kernel, downgrading it
> >from 6.3-RELEASE-p2 to 6.3-RELEASE-p1!
> >  
> 
> Don't be so sure. If you are running a GENERIC kernel, freebsd-update 
> simply downloaded the latest. If -p2 did not have any kernel updates (it 
> did not IIRC) you got the kernel for -p1.  The fact it replaced your 
> GENERIC (which had a -p2 deisgnation in uname) is probably because this 
> was compiled on your system so freebsd-update did not recognize the 
> version. These two should be functionally identical. In fact if you just 
> recompile the kernel now, it will report -p2 

If i recompile GENERIC now, freebsd-update will suggest updating 
it again and again 

P.S. I know that freebsd-update will leave the kernel alone if 
"uname -i" is not GENERIC|SMP, but my question is more generic. 
How well can freebsd-update handle a system compiled from source?

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Re: Using freebsd-update after upgrading from source

2008-06-30 Thread Manolis Kiagias

Victor Sudakov wrote:

Colleagues,

I have been updating 6.2-RELEASE with freebsd-update. Recently I
upgraded it to RELENG_6_3 from source. Can I continue using
freebsd-update or must I upgrade only from source from now on?

  


I don't see why not. freebsd-update will download binary updates to the 
system as well as the relevant sources for them (look at 
/etc/freebsd-update.conf to verify).



I conducted an experiment and got inconclusive results. I had upgraded
to RELENG_6_3-p2 where the problems with libpthread and ssh are
already fixed. However, when I ran freebsd-update, it did replace
libpthread and libssh. It also replaced the kernel, downgrading it
from 6.3-RELEASE-p2 to 6.3-RELEASE-p1!
  


Don't be so sure. If you are running a GENERIC kernel, freebsd-update 
simply downloaded the latest. If -p2 did not have any kernel updates (it 
did not IIRC) you got the kernel for -p1.  The fact it replaced your 
GENERIC (which had a -p2 deisgnation in uname) is probably because this 
was compiled on your system so freebsd-update did not recognize the 
version. These two should be functionally identical. In fact if you just 
recompile the kernel now, it will report -p2 (but this is only a 
cosmetic change, if the kernel sources have not been changed by 
freebsd-update).

Have a look at this file:

/usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh

look at the "BRANCH"

if it says "RELEASE-p2" this is what you will get if you recompile the 
kernel.




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Using freebsd-update after upgrading from source

2008-06-30 Thread Victor Sudakov
Colleagues,

I have been updating 6.2-RELEASE with freebsd-update. Recently I
upgraded it to RELENG_6_3 from source. Can I continue using
freebsd-update or must I upgrade only from source from now on?

I conducted an experiment and got inconclusive results. I had upgraded
to RELENG_6_3-p2 where the problems with libpthread and ssh are
already fixed. However, when I ran freebsd-update, it did replace
libpthread and libssh. It also replaced the kernel, downgrading it
from 6.3-RELEASE-p2 to 6.3-RELEASE-p1!

Does it mean that freebsd-update is not recommended after upgrade from
source?

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