Re: VM Options
Jack Barnett wrote: Are there any good VM Options for FreeBSD? There is VMWare in ports; which I really like - but it's a few years old and still stuck on version 3 the last time I tried it. Are there any other options available? One more word for qemu. Works much faster with kqemu-kmod. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
i think it uses kemu, but its really a simple installation process, the whole thing is just a package, contained in the iso image i linked earlier. i will look at it for fun, but - i always prefer normal than simple installation process because it's good to know what actually happened. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
right On Feb 15, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: i think it uses kemu, but its really a simple installation process, the whole thing is just a package, contained in the iso image i linked earlier. i will look at it for fun, but - i always prefer normal than simple installation process because it's good to know what actually happened. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
noone mentioned www.win4bsd.com , win4bsd can be used to run a windows machine from within freebsd nicely. performance is pretty good also. On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:54 AM, neal wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2008, Jack Barnett wrote: So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? I'm planning to do something similar but have moved to Kubuntu to run VMWare, then I can run PCBSD as a vm 'thingy' ;). neal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
Hrm... I can't find it in the ports or a download version of it? I don't mind paying for it, but want to see if it actually works well before buying it. David Schulz wrote: noone mentioned www.win4bsd.com , win4bsd can be used to run a windows machine from within freebsd nicely. performance is pretty good also. On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:54 AM, neal wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2008, Jack Barnett wrote: So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? I'm planning to do something similar but have moved to Kubuntu to run VMWare, then I can run PCBSD as a vm 'thingy' ;). neal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
Hey, to download it: For Win4BSD: ftp://ftp.vbridges.com/pub/releases/bsd/pro/1.1/Win4BSD-1.1.iso I think you can try the trial for 30 days, after that, its 29.99USD Thanks, David On Feb 15, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Jack Barnett wrote: Hrm... I can't find it in the ports or a download version of it? I don't mind paying for it, but want to see if it actually works well before buying it. David Schulz wrote: noone mentioned www.win4bsd.com , win4bsd can be used to run a windows machine from within freebsd nicely. performance is pretty good also. On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:54 AM, neal wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2008, Jack Barnett wrote: So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? I'm planning to do something similar but have moved to Kubuntu to run VMWare, then I can run PCBSD as a vm 'thingy' ;). neal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
noone mentioned www.win4bsd.com , win4bsd can be used to run a windows machine from within freebsd nicely. performance is pretty good also. does it need special requirements on kernel versions, modules etc? On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:54 AM, neal wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2008, Jack Barnett wrote: So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? I'm planning to do something similar but have moved to Kubuntu to run VMWare, then I can run PCBSD as a vm 'thingy' ;). neal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
i think it uses kemu, but its really a simple installation process, the whole thing is just a package, contained in the iso image i linked earlier. On Feb 15, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: noone mentioned www.win4bsd.com , win4bsd can be used to run a windows machine from within freebsd nicely. performance is pretty good also. does it need special requirements on kernel versions, modules etc? On Jan 25, 2008, at 4:54 AM, neal wrote: On Thursday 24 January 2008, Jack Barnett wrote: So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? I'm planning to do something similar but have moved to Kubuntu to run VMWare, then I can run PCBSD as a vm 'thingy' ;). neal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
Robert Eckardt wrote: It depends on what you want to do. To clarify, I would like to run Windows XP at least VMWare runs WinXP beautifully - but unfortunately VMWare doesn't well under FreeBSD. Last time I tried Qemu it was fairly slow. So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
Jack Barnett wrote: To clarify, I would like to run Windows XP at least VMWare runs WinXP beautifully - but unfortunately VMWare doesn't well under FreeBSD. Last time I tried Qemu it was fairly slow. So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? Some other ideas... Serenity Virtual Station (http://www.serenityvirtual.com/) which claims to run on FreeBSD. I haven't yet tried it. VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox) looks promising as another open-source alternative which runs (as host) on Windows, Linux and soon Mac OS X... could FreeBSD be far behind? -- Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints... Mark D. Foster, CISSP [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mark.foster.cc/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
Jack Barnett wrote: Robert Eckardt wrote: It depends on what you want to do. To clarify, I would like to run Windows XP at least VMWare runs WinXP beautifully - but unfortunately VMWare doesn't well under FreeBSD. Last time I tried Qemu it was fairly slow. So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? While Qemu is normally slow, there was a SoC project to add KVM (Kernel-based Virtual Machine) support to FreeBSD - it uses the virtualization features built in to modern Intel and AMD CPUs. It speeds things up substantially. For more information go to http://feanor.sssup.it/~fabio/freebsd/lkvm/ If that doesn't work then you could also try emulators/kqemu-kmod/ - while it doesn't take advantage of the VT or SVM features in modern CPUs, it allows Qemu to run a lot of code natively and so speeds things up quite a bit. -- Bruce ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
On Thursday 24 January 2008, Jack Barnett wrote: So Jail, Qemu and VMWare crossed off the list, any other options? I'm planning to do something similar but have moved to Kubuntu to run VMWare, then I can run PCBSD as a vm 'thingy' ;). neal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VM Options
Are there any good VM Options for FreeBSD? There is VMWare in ports; which I really like - but it's a few years old and still stuck on version 3 the last time I tried it. Are there any other options available? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
Am Mittwoch, den 23.01.2008, 13:11 -0600 schrieb Jack Barnett: Are there any good VM Options for FreeBSD? There is VMWare in ports; which I really like - but it's a few years old and still stuck on version 3 the last time I tried it. Are there any other options available? If you just want to run other FreeBSD's I whould try jail ( man jail ). It's covered in the handbook too.. Cheer, Norman ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
In response to Jack Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are there any good VM Options for FreeBSD? There is VMWare in ports; which I really like - but it's a few years old and still stuck on version 3 the last time I tried it. VMWare on FreeBSD is a no-op. Someone should really remove that port. jail is your best option. See the handbook for details and install the ezjail port to make it more manageable. The drawback is that jail can only run other FreeBSD instances in the VM. Next up would be qemu. I use it a lot and it works a lot like VMWare. The disadvantage to qemu is that it's really slow. Down the list are a number of technologies in various stages of development, such as Xen. I don't recommend any of them at this time unless you want to help with development. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 13:11 -0600, Jack Barnett wrote: Are there any good VM Options for FreeBSD? There is VMWare in ports; which I really like - but it's a few years old Jails and as a Xen guest --- probably with a NetBSD or GNU/Linux host. There's always Solaris domain. :} ~BAS ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:23:16 -0500, Bill Moran wrote In response to Jack Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are there any good VM Options for FreeBSD? There is VMWare in ports; which I really like - but it's a few years old and still stuck on version 3 the last time I tried it. It depends on what you want to do. Do you want to run another OS (even a different FreeBSD release)? Is it sufficient to prevent processes seeing each other? VMWare on FreeBSD is a no-op. Someone should really remove that port. That's nonsense. The current (very old) port is quite out-dated and it took me some time to get it running right e.g. with VMware 3 on FreeBSD 6.2. But it works! In most (though not all) cases Xen is a useful alternative to VMware. Of course Xen is driven by the Linux hype. All majors OS vendors support Xen. When virtualization solutions find their way into next generation's CPUs Xen might take over VMware. Xen is still weak on the management side. About a year ago rsync.net's 2007 code bounty called for a newer VMware port, but it's still in the state currently in progress (for half a year now). jail is your best option. See the handbook for details and install the ezjail port to make it more manageable. The drawback is that jail can only run other FreeBSD instances in the VM. Although jails are available far longer than zones in Solaris they have fallen behind. They lack a lot of features, e.g. no ressource management. Even things that work in native FreeBSD don't work in jails. (ulimit) Next up would be qemu. I use it a lot and it works a lot like VMWare. The disadvantage to qemu is that it's really slow. VMware burns quite a lot of CPU. QEMU is much worse. Down the list are a number of technologies in various stages of development, such as Xen. I don't recommend any of them at this time unless you want to help with development. It really depends on what you want to achieve. Regards, Robert PS: People say, I sometimes tend to see things to negative. -- Dr. Robert Eckardt---[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
If you just want to run other FreeBSD's I whould try jail ( man jail ). It's covered in the handbook too.. and it works PERFECT. i run 14 jails on one machine, no problems. the only (but big) disadventage are lack of IPv6 in jail. hope it will be fixed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VM Options
El día Wednesday, January 23, 2008 a las 10:53:31PM +0100, Robert Eckardt escribió: VMWare on FreeBSD is a no-op. Someone should really remove that port. That's nonsense. The current (very old) port is quite out-dated and it took me some time to get it running right e.g. with VMware 3 on FreeBSD 6.2. But it works! Maybe you could write a small 'howTo' about getting this old port to work with VMware 3 on FreeBSD 6.2? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ Don't top-post, read RFC1855 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
