Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough?

2007-05-03 Thread Stevan Tiefert
Hello list,

I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
package.

When I use pkg_add -r firefox I got version 1.5 but 2.0 exist on the
freebsd-ftp-server. When I use pkg_add -r openoffice.org I got version
1.1 but 2.0.4 exists on the freebsd-ftp-server.

I looked at
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/
an I saw that the symbolic links are not showing to the newest
packages...

The handbook says with pkg_add -r we could get the newest package for
the release (I am not talking about stable-packages and PACKAGESITE
variable), but the symbolic links are maybe not updated, isn't it?

With regards
Stevan Tiefert







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Re: Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough?

2007-05-03 Thread Andrew Pantyukhin

On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello list,

I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
package.


You only get the packages compiled during the release
process. Newer packages are only built for 6-stable and
7-current. The hard truth is that we don't have enough
human/hardware resources to keep 6.2 packages up-to-date.
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Re: Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough?

2007-05-03 Thread Stevan Tiefert
Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 15:28 +0400 schrieb Andrew Pantyukhin:
 On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello list,
 
  I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
  have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
  package.
 
 You only get the packages compiled during the release
 process. Newer packages are only built for 6-stable and
 7-current. The hard truth is that we don't have enough
 human/hardware resources to keep 6.2 packages up-to-date.
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That is not that I mean!

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/editors/openoffice.org-2.0.4.tbz
exists. But the Link:

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/openoffice.org.tbz
is linked with

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/All/openoffice.org-1.1.5_2.tbz

It is a simple change with ln. Not more! openoffice.org 2.0 was already
created during the RELEASE-6.2-process.

Still again: Why is this link showing to an older package, when to the
same time a newer package exist for the RELEASE_6_2 (not RELENG_6)?




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Re: Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough?

2007-05-03 Thread Chris
Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
 On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello list,

 I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
 have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
 package.
 
 You only get the packages compiled during the release
 process. Newer packages are only built for 6-stable and
 7-current. The hard truth is that we don't have enough
 human/hardware resources to keep 6.2 packages up-to-date.

While the above may indeed be true - if you really feel the need to have
the latest and greatest - that's 1/2 of what the ports and the upgrade
tools that are given to you to are for.

These same tools do allow you to create packages for your own needs.


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Chris

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Re: Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough?

2007-05-03 Thread Stevan Tiefert
Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 07:05 -0500 schrieb Chris:
 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
  On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello list,
 
  I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
  have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
  package.
  
  You only get the packages compiled during the release
  process. Newer packages are only built for 6-stable and
  7-current. The hard truth is that we don't have enough
  human/hardware resources to keep 6.2 packages up-to-date.
 
 While the above may indeed be true - if you really feel the need to have
 the latest and greatest - that's 1/2 of what the ports and the upgrade
 tools that are given to you to are for.
 
 These same tools do allow you to create packages for your own needs.
 
 

The problem I pointed to is, that at the RELEASE_6_2 two packages of
firefox and openoffice.org exists and via pkg_add -r I receive the older
package of them both, because the links in .../Latest/ are pointing to
the older packages, but the newer packages are available for RELEASE_6_2
(I don't mean RELENG_6)!







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Re: Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough?

2007-05-03 Thread Andrew Pantyukhin

On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 07:05 -0500 schrieb Chris:
 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
  On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello list,
 
  I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
  have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
  package.
 
  You only get the packages compiled during the release
  process. Newer packages are only built for 6-stable and
  7-current. The hard truth is that we don't have enough
  human/hardware resources to keep 6.2 packages up-to-date.

 While the above may indeed be true - if you really feel the need to have
 the latest and greatest - that's 1/2 of what the ports and the upgrade
 tools that are given to you to are for.

 These same tools do allow you to create packages for your own needs.

The problem I pointed to is, that at the RELEASE_6_2 two packages of
firefox and openoffice.org exists and via pkg_add -r I receive the older
package of them both, because the links in .../Latest/ are pointing to
the older packages, but the newer packages are available for RELEASE_6_2
(I don't mean RELENG_6)!


Several versions of OOo are available from ports at the
same time. Only one of them has a link in latest. The
others have NO_LATEST_LINK set in their makefiles. You
can contact OOo maintainers (maho primarily) and ask
them to make newer versions available in latest.

Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Re: Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough? [SOLVED]

2007-05-03 Thread Stevan Tiefert
Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 16:24 +0400 schrieb Andrew Pantyukhin:
 On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 07:05 -0500 schrieb Chris:
   Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:
On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello list,
   
I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
package.
   
You only get the packages compiled during the release
process. Newer packages are only built for 6-stable and
7-current. The hard truth is that we don't have enough
human/hardware resources to keep 6.2 packages up-to-date.
  
   While the above may indeed be true - if you really feel the need to have
   the latest and greatest - that's 1/2 of what the ports and the upgrade
   tools that are given to you to are for.
  
   These same tools do allow you to create packages for your own needs.
 
  The problem I pointed to is, that at the RELEASE_6_2 two packages of
  firefox and openoffice.org exists and via pkg_add -r I receive the older
  package of them both, because the links in .../Latest/ are pointing to
  the older packages, but the newer packages are available for RELEASE_6_2
  (I don't mean RELENG_6)!
 
 Several versions of OOo are available from ports at the
 same time. Only one of them has a link in latest. The
 others have NO_LATEST_LINK set in their makefiles. You
 can contact OOo maintainers (maho primarily) and ask
 them to make newer versions available in latest.
 
 Sorry for the inconvenience.

THANKS! THANKS! THANKS!







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Re: Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough?

2007-05-03 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 02:01:53PM +0200, Stevan Tiefert wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 15:28 +0400 schrieb Andrew Pantyukhin:
  On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello list,
  
   I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
   have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
   package.
  
  You only get the packages compiled during the release
  process. Newer packages are only built for 6-stable and
  7-current. The hard truth is that we don't have enough
  human/hardware resources to keep 6.2 packages up-to-date.
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 That is not that I mean!
 
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/editors/openoffice.org-2.0.4.tbz
 exists. But the Link:
 
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/openoffice.org.tbz
 is linked with
 
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/All/openoffice.org-1.1.5_2.tbz
 
 It is a simple change with ln. Not more! openoffice.org 2.0 was already
 created during the RELEASE-6.2-process.
 
 Still again: Why is this link showing to an older package, when to the
 same time a newer package exist for the RELEASE_6_2 (not RELENG_6)?

There are several openoffice versions in the ports tree, and the
maintainer determined that this is the one that should be used as the
default choice.  Typically when there are more than one version, the
link points to the recommended stable release.

That said, it's possible that the maintainer overlooked updating the
link when 2.0 became stable.  Please check whether it is the same in
the packages-6.2-stable package sets (i.e. the current packages, not
the release packages which are now 6 months out of date) and if so
then follow up with the openoffice maintainer.

Thanks,
Kris

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Re: Why is 6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/ not latest enough?

2007-05-03 Thread Stevan Tiefert
Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 13:06 -0400 schrieb Kris Kennaway:
 On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 02:01:53PM +0200, Stevan Tiefert wrote:
  Am Donnerstag, den 03.05.2007, 15:28 +0400 schrieb Andrew Pantyukhin:
   On 5/3/07, Stevan Tiefert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello list,
   
I have installed via pkg_add -r various packages for my 6.2-RELEASE. I
have recognized that on this way I will not get always the newest
package.
   
   You only get the packages compiled during the release
   process. Newer packages are only built for 6-stable and
   7-current. The hard truth is that we don't have enough
   human/hardware resources to keep 6.2 packages up-to-date.
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  That is not that I mean!
  
  ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/editors/openoffice.org-2.0.4.tbz
  exists. But the Link:
  
  ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/Latest/openoffice.org.tbz
  is linked with
  
  ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/All/openoffice.org-1.1.5_2.tbz
  
  It is a simple change with ln. Not more! openoffice.org 2.0 was already
  created during the RELEASE-6.2-process.
  
  Still again: Why is this link showing to an older package, when to the
  same time a newer package exist for the RELEASE_6_2 (not RELENG_6)?
 
 There are several openoffice versions in the ports tree, and the
 maintainer determined that this is the one that should be used as the
 default choice.  Typically when there are more than one version, the
 link points to the recommended stable release.
 
 That said, it's possible that the maintainer overlooked updating the
 link when 2.0 became stable.  Please check whether it is the same in
 the packages-6.2-stable package sets (i.e. the current packages, not
 the release packages which are now 6 months out of date) and if so
 then follow up with the openoffice maintainer.
 
 Thanks,
 Kris

After that:

setenv PACKAGESITE
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/Latest/

and:

pkg_add -r openoffice.org

It still installs the version 1.1.5... It seems they forgot until now to
update this link...

I have written to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the maintainer of this
port. Now I will wait until they answer...







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