Re: Why sendmail?
On 2006-09-02 13:25, Gerard Seibert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Saturday 02 September 2006 11:31, Atom Powers wrote: >[...] >> By making the Postfix port /not/ disable Sendmail it gives you the >> ability to, more easily, run Sendmail *and* Postfix on the same >> machine. ie it doesn't break your current configuation. > > Why would I want Sendmail running in conjunction with a > properly functioning Postfix installation? I can only imagine > problems resulting from such a venture. Testing, during a transition period? Multiple MTA's serving two different sides of a network? I'm not saying that this would be a terribly good idea for a long-term setup, but there are cases where one may find it slightly useful. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Why sendmail?
On Saturday 02 September 2006 11:31, Atom Powers wrote: [...] > By making the Postfix port /not/ disable Sendmail it gives you the > ability to, more easily, run Sendmail *and* Postfix on the same > machine. ie it doesn't break your current configuation. Why would I want Sendmail running in conjunction with a properly functioning Postfix installation? I can only imagine problems resulting from such a venture. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] The truth about a man lies first and foremost in what he hides. Andre Malraux pgpUjcFfjbIE3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why sendmail?
On 9/1/06, Gerard Seibert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree for the most part. There is an option to install another MTA when installing FBSD. However, it might be nice if there were instructions on how to accomplish the following. 1) Totally shut down Sendmail How about the handbook? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail-changingmta.html The postfix port will also remind you of these changes when you install it. 2) Changes to periodic.conf The changes to periodic are so trivial, at least for postfix, that no change are even necissary. 3) How to prevent Sendmail from being built when performing 'buildworld' That isn't a sendmail/mta question, it's a buildworld question. Although a footnote in the above part of the handbook would be apreciated. I recently replied to a post on the Postfix forum when a user had installed Postfix when installing FBSD and consequently had no idea why it was not working correctly. I realize that he should have been better informed as to how it was to be configured; however, the sysinstall or if installed via ports, the posts installation routine should have given a more complete description of what is or should be done to complete the installation. I sometimes wish the ports did a more complete install. Perhaps asking if you wanted to enable them in rc.conf, or reminding you which config files they use, making chanes to stock config files (rc.conf, periodic.conf, etc) that are required to enable them, etc. But that's a complaint that should be addressed to the port maintainers and really has nothing to do with Sendmail. By making the Postfix port /not/ disable Sendmail it gives you the ability to, more easily, run Sendmail *and* Postfix on the same machine. ie it doesn't break your current configuation. -- -- Perfection is just a word I use occasionally with mustard. --Atom Powers-- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Why sendmail?
Gerard Seibert wrote: I agree for the most part. There is an option to install another MTA when installing FBSD. However, it might be nice if there were instructions on how to accomplish the following. I agree with you, logically I would say that perhaps this should go in the Postfix/exim/(insert favorite MTA here) ports. Postfix already asks you if you want to update your /etc/mail/mailer.conf and it wouldn't be much more effort to add the make.conf change, etc. as well. Might be a good patch to create/suggest to the maintainers. Even a verbose message to the console on 'make install' would be a good start. cheers, Gabriel -- Gabriel O'Brien IT Analyst, MPS-EN-CBC.ca w: 416-205-8740 m: 416-996-5679 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Why sendmail?
Gabriel O'Brien wrote: > Indeed. While I do sometimes question the sense of defaulting to > sendmail due to its baggage, it's so trivial to change the MTA that it's > largely a non-issue. In the interest of being close to a "reference > implementation" of BSD it does make some sense as a default even if I'd > never run it on a prod box myself. It hardly seems worth the churn. > > Insert $0.02 here. I agree for the most part. There is an option to install another MTA when installing FBSD. However, it might be nice if there were instructions on how to accomplish the following. 1) Totally shut down Sendmail 2) Changes to periodic.conf 3) How to prevent Sendmail from being built when performing 'buildworld' I know that the documentation does exist, but it is not all centrally located. At least I do not think it is. If Postfix is installed during the installation of FBSD, the end user is not even presented with the necessary items to place in the /etc/rc.conf file. That should be done automatically by the sysinstall process, as well as modifying the periodic.conf and make.conf files. I recently replied to a post on the Postfix forum when a user had installed Postfix when installing FBSD and consequently had no idea why it was not working correctly. I realize that he should have been better informed as to how it was to be configured; however, the sysinstall or if installed via ports, the posts installation routine should have given a more complete description of what is or should be done to complete the installation. Just my 2¢. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Think about it: The *average* American has one tit and one testicle. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Why sendmail?
Erik Trulsson wrote: For those people who prefer to use some other MTA it is not difficult to install one from ports and use it instead of Sendmail. Indeed. While I do sometimes question the sense of defaulting to sendmail due to its baggage, it's so trivial to change the MTA that it's largely a non-issue. In the interest of being close to a "reference implementation" of BSD it does make some sense as a default even if I'd never run it on a prod box myself. It hardly seems worth the churn. Insert $0.02 here. cheers, Gabriel -- Gabriel O'Brien IT Analyst, MPS-EN-CBC.ca w: 416-205-8740 m: 416-996-5679 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Why sendmail?
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 01:54:24PM +0200, Martin Möller wrote: > Does anybody know, why the FreeBSD developers decided to use sendmail as > the standard MTA? Has there been a discussion about it and where could I > find information about it? Historical reasons mainly. Sendmail was originally developed on BSD and shipped with BSD at least since 4.2BSD (which was released in 1986, several years before the FreeBSD project was created.) The FreeBSD developers simply kept using what was already in the source tree since there were no overriding reason not to. There has been discussions from time to time about replacing Sendmail with some other MTA but the general opinion seems to be that Sendmail works well enough and that changing the standard MTA would be too disruptive for too many people. For those people who prefer to use some other MTA it is not difficult to install one from ports and use it instead of Sendmail. -- Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Why sendmail?
Martin Möller schrieb: Does anybody know, why the FreeBSD developers decided to use sendmail as the standard MTA? Has there been a discussion about it and where could I find information about it? It's strong, flexible, its licence is suitable... Why do you ask? Björn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Why sendmail?
Does anybody know, why the FreeBSD developers decided to use sendmail as the standard MTA? Has there been a discussion about it and where could I find information about it? -- Martin Möller Using FreeBSD RELENG_6 for amd/64 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
