Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Andrey V. Elsukov
On 02.04.2010 9:24, Stanislav Sedov wrote: While it certainly might make sense to drop BIND out of the base, I'm not sure dropping bind tools as well from it is the best decision. How hard it will be to continue maintaining bind tools inside the base (so the critical ones like dig and nslookup

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Randy Bush
While it certainly might make sense to drop BIND out of the base, I'm not sure dropping bind tools as well from it is the best decision. How hard it will be to continue maintaining bind tools inside the base (so the critical ones like dig and nslookup still will be available), while moving

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Stanislav Sedov
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:26:13 +0900 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com mentioned: i don't mind if dig, doc, et alia are not in base, as long as they are a separate port from the bind hippo. The major benefit of having them in the base is the ability to cross-compile them when building the

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20100402013353.f544e8ad.s...@freebsd.org, Stanislav Sedov writes: On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:26:13 +0900 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com mentioned: Ports doesn't support cross-compilation yet, and it would be a pity to find yourself bootstrapping another tiny arm platform and having to use ports

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Stanislav Sedov
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:55:07 + Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk mentioned: In message 20100402013353.f544e8ad.s...@freebsd.org, Stanislav Sedov writes: On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:26:13 +0900 Randy Bush ra...@psg.com mentioned: Ports doesn't support cross-compilation yet, and it would

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20100402021715.669838e0.s...@freebsd.org, Stanislav Sedov writes: On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:55:07 + Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk mentioned: Sorry, I think I was not clear enough. Sorry for misunderstanding. Yes, the case can certainly be made that DNS query tool belongs in

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 09:24:51AM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 20100402021715.669838e0.s...@freebsd.org, Stanislav Sedov writes: On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:55:07 + Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk mentioned: Sorry, I think I was not clear enough. Sorry for

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread sthaug
[1]: FreeBSD really needs to move away from the base system as a concept, as I've ranted about in the past. Strongly disagree. Or if it cannot, the base system needs to start using pkg_* (somehow) for use, and src.conf WITHOUT_xxx (where xxx = some software) removed. Concept being: I

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Svein Skogen (Listmail Account)
On 02.04.2010 12:28, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: [1]: FreeBSD really needs to move away from the base system as a concept, as I've ranted about in the past. Strongly disagree. Or if it cannot, the base system needs to start using pkg_* (somehow) for use, and src.conf WITHOUT_xxx (where xxx

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Robert Watson
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The result of the RFC was that bind is not a mandatory component to make a usable system, so you argument suffers from bad logic. With an eye on the date of Doug's suggestive e-mail, I actually am concerned that we maintain support for DNSSEC

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 03:14:54AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: [1]: FreeBSD really needs to move away from the base system as a concept, as I've ranted about in the past. Or if it cannot, the base system needs to start using pkg_* (somehow) No, it does not need to do that. It might be a

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Reko Turja
Strongly disagree. Or if it cannot, the base system needs to start using pkg_* (somehow) for use, and src.conf WITHOUT_xxx (where xxx = some software) removed. Concept being: I don't need Kerberos; pkg_delete base-krb5. I also don't need lib32; pkg_delete base-lib32. Beautiful concept, hard

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Denny Lin
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 10:11:50AM +0400, Andrey V. Elsukov wrote: On 02.04.2010 9:24, Stanislav Sedov wrote: While it certainly might make sense to drop BIND out of the base, I'm not sure dropping bind tools as well from it is the best decision. How hard it will be to continue maintaining

Re: panic during work with jailed postgresql8.4

2010-04-02 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Thu, 1 Apr 2010, Oleg Lomaka wrote: Hi, I have a kernel panic when connect to postgresql8.4 server installed in one of jails from another jail. It's 100% reproducible. Also I have tried to connect from host machine to jailed pg server. That way it works fine without crash. Server

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 12:44:55PM +0200, Svein Skogen (Listmail Account) wrote: On 02.04.2010 12:28, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: [1]: FreeBSD really needs to move away from the base system as a concept, as I've ranted about in the past. Strongly disagree. Or if it cannot, the base

Re: panic during work with jailed postgresql8.4

2010-04-02 Thread Oleg Lomaka
On Apr 2, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On Thu, 1 Apr 2010, Oleg Lomaka wrote: I have a kernel panic when connect to postgresql8.4 server installed in one of jails from another jail. It's 100% reproducible. Also I have tried to connect from host machine to jailed pg server. That

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Guido Falsi
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 12:28:36PM +0200, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: [1]: FreeBSD really needs to move away from the base system as a concept, as I've ranted about in the past. Strongly disagree. I'm with you! Or if it cannot, the base system needs to start using pkg_* (somehow) for

Re: panic during work with jailed postgresql8.4

2010-04-02 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Oleg Lomaka wrote: Hey, uname -a FreeBSD cerberus.regredi.com 8.0-STABLE FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE #7 r206031: Thu Apr 1 13:43:57 EEST 2010 r...@cerberus.regredi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Link to dmesg.boot:

Re: panic during work with jailed postgresql8.4

2010-04-02 Thread Oleg Lomaka
On Apr 2, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Oleg Lomaka wrote: uname -a FreeBSD cerberus.regredi.com 8.0-STABLE FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE #7 r206031: Thu Apr 1 13:43:57 EEST 2010 r...@cerberus.regredi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 Link to dmesg.boot:

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 03:14:54 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick free...@jdc.parodius.com Sender: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 09:24:51AM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 20100402021715.669838e0.s...@freebsd.org, Stanislav Sedov writes: On Fri, 02 Apr

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Reko Turja
Based on the inspection of the source tree, I want my bikeshed mauve. I've not been had by AFD jokes in a while but Doug pulled this one off... -Reko ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Doug Hardie
On 2 April 2010, at 04:27, Denny Lin wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 10:11:50AM +0400, Andrey V. Elsukov wrote: On 02.04.2010 9:24, Stanislav Sedov wrote: While it certainly might make sense to drop BIND out of the base, I'm not sure dropping bind tools as well from it is the best decision.

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Charles Sprickman
Can we do sendmail next April 1? Sent from a device with a tiny keyboard On Apr 2, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Reko Turja reko.tu...@liukuma.net wrote: Based on the inspection of the source tree, I want my bikeshed mauve. I've not been had by AFD jokes in a while but Doug pulled this one off...

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 03:14:54 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick free...@jdc.parodius.com Sender: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org I disagree (so what else is new?) It should be kept out of the base system. KISS: Doug pulling BIND out of the base system /

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 So first of all, yes Virginia, this was an April Fool's Day joke. To both those for whom this post created a false sense of despair, and (perhaps more importantly) to those for whom it created a false sense of joy, my apologies. :) And for the

Re: 6.4-RELEASE missing from mirrors

2010-04-02 Thread Ken Smith
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 11:07 -0400, David Boyd wrote: The link (actually file) called 6.4 moved to ftp-archive is missing from most/all mirrors. We have been using these files to follow the releases when they move. It works as long as the 6.4 moved to ftp-archive file is present. Please

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Freddie Cash
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Jeremy Chadwick free...@jdc.parodius.comwrote: [1]: FreeBSD really needs to move away from the base system as a concept, as I've ranted about in the past. Or if it cannot, the base system needs to start using pkg_* (somehow) for use, and src.conf WITHOUT_xxx

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I'm just a lowly sysadmin and ex-port maintainer, but ... No, no, no, definitely no, no, and no!! The greatest thing about FreeBSD is that there is a clear separation between the base OS and everything else (ports,

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Peter Jeremy
Firstly, congratualtions to do...@. On 2010-Apr-02 05:15:26 -0700, Jeremy Chadwick free...@jdc.parodius.com wrote: 1) In most scenarios (historically speaking), what gets updated quicker: base or ports? Answer: ports. In some ways this is a problem. On the downside, it means that a -RELEASE

Re: Results of BIND RFC

2010-04-02 Thread Ian Smith
On Fri, 2 Apr 2010, Doug Barton wrote: So first of all, yes Virginia, this was an April Fool's Day joke. To both those for whom this post created a false sense of despair, and (perhaps more importantly) to those for whom it created a false sense of joy, my apologies. :) And for the