Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-04 Thread Derek Kulinski
I personally let it be enabled during installation. I noticed that I was getting errors on fsck even after clean shutdown. After noticing it, I disabled it and the problems go away. Also, fsck works really fast so I don't see much advantage with SU+J. -- Sent from my phone. Please excuse my

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-04 Thread Adam Strohl
On 11/4/2012 5:32, Karl Denninger wrote: It is utter insanity to enable, by default, filesystem options that break _*the canonical backup solution*_ in the handbook (dump, when used with -L, which it must be to dump a live filesystem SAFELY.) Exactly. -- Adam Strohl

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-04 Thread Jakub Lach
Imho, at least wiki page (http://wiki.freebsd.org/) on setting up FreeBSD on SSDs is needed. Lots of confusion and different opinions (sector size!)... -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Why-is-SU-J-undesirable-on-SSDs-tp5757733p5757907.html Sent from the

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-03 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote: Have been following the thread related to SU+J, and am wondering: why is it considered to be undesirable on SSDs (assuming that they have good wear leveling)? Superstition -- Adam Vande More

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-03 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012, Brett Glass wrote: Have been following the thread related to SU+J, and am wondering: why is it considered to be undesirable on SSDs (assuming that they have good wear leveling)? I have been enabling it on systems with SSDs, hoping that between the lack of rotating media and

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-03 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012, Karl Denninger wrote: On 11/3/2012 5:25 PM, Jeff Roberson wrote: On Sat, 3 Nov 2012, Brett Glass wrote: Have been following the thread related to SU+J, and am wondering: why is it considered to be undesirable on SSDs (assuming that

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-03 Thread Ian Lepore
On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 17:06 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote: Have been following the thread related to SU+J, and am wondering: why is it considered to be undesirable on SSDs (assuming that they have good wear leveling)?

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-03 Thread Karl Denninger
On 11/3/2012 5:25 PM, Jeff Roberson wrote: On Sat, 3 Nov 2012, Brett Glass wrote: Have been following the thread related to SU+J, and am wondering: why is it considered to be undesirable on SSDs (assuming that they have good wear leveling)? I have been enabling it on systems with SSDs,

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-03 Thread Brett Glass
At 04:32 PM 11/3/2012, Karl Denninger wrote: It is utter insanity to enable, by default, filesystem options that break the canonical backup solution in the handbook (dump, when used with -L, which it must be to dump a live filesystem SAFELY.) I have not used dump in many, many years. So, I

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-03 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012, Ian Lepore wrote: On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 17:06 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Brett Glass br...@lariat.net wrote: Have been following the thread related to SU+J, and am wondering: why is it considered to be undesirable on SSDs (assuming that

Re: Why is SU+J undesirable on SSDs?

2012-11-03 Thread Brett Glass
At 05:14 PM 11/3/2012, Jeff Roberson wrote: The journal entries are 32 bytes per in SUJ. So the number of extra writes is down in the noise. The journaling also gets you asynchronous partial truncation and a few other asynchronous operations that are sync in SU. It does cost slightly more