Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-25 Thread Ruben van Staveren
On 23 Dec 2011, at 17:07, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Seriously, this is just irritating. Seriously, malevolent persons don't do engineering freeze times. I thank the FreeBSD security team for keeping vigilant on this, despite they have no official obligation as there is no SLA on the product and

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-24 Thread Chris Rees
On 23 Dec 2011 18:56, "George Kontostanos" wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Seaman > wrote: > > On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: > >> Are all cvs mirror servers updated regarding these changes ? > >> > >> ANYBODY > > > > Should have by now. Commits usually t

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-24 Thread Kurt Buff
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 09:25, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > While this is generally true, the BIND issue was absolutely not > addressed "as fast as possible".  I guess you weren't aware that it was > announced publicly literally over a month ago: > > https://www.isc.org/software/bind/advisories/cve

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-24 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 08:36:15AM -0800, Kurt Buff wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 08:07, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > Hey up list, > > > > Look, just a rant here. > > > > > > Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than > > FOUR security advisories today ? > > I'm guessi

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-24 Thread Kurt Buff
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 08:07, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Hey up list, > > Look, just a rant here. > > > Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than > FOUR security advisories today ? I'm guessing the Security Officer and those with whom he consults. Just a thought, since

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2011-Dec-23 23:40:10 +0200, George Kontostanos > wrote: >>In any case, and IMHO this was not the proper time for this kind of >>advisories considering the fact that many companies are in a freeze >>period. > > My honeypot logs suggest th

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Dec-23 23:40:10 +0200, George Kontostanos wrote: >In any case, and IMHO this was not the proper time for this kind of >advisories considering the fact that many companies are in a freeze >period. My honeypot logs suggest that the black hats aren't taking a holiday. As Colin posted, the S

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Shawn Webb wrote: > As others have mentioned, you don't _have_ to patch this weekend. All > of the vulnerabilities have been [semi-]public knowledge for at least > a week. What's the harm in waiting till next week? Just pretend like > the patches came in on Tuesda

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Shawn Webb
As others have mentioned, you don't _have_ to patch this weekend. All of the vulnerabilities have been [semi-]public knowledge for at least a week. What's the harm in waiting till next week? Just pretend like the patches came in on Tuesday. I, for one, am grateful that FreeBSD has provided patches

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Gary Palmer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 08:55:35PM +0200, George Kontostanos wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Seaman >> wrote: >> > On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: >> >> Are all cvs mirror servers updated regarding these chan

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Gary Palmer
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 08:55:35PM +0200, George Kontostanos wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Seaman > wrote: > > On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: > >> Are all cvs mirror servers updated regarding these changes ? > >> > >> ANYBODY > > > > Should have by now. ?Co

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Dec-23 20:06:10 +0100, Lars Engels wrote: >On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: >> _but_ FreeBSD is not a distribution >> It is *a complete operating system* >> Happy holidays > >And the D in BSD is for? ;-) FreeBSD is a complete operating system _derived_from_ the

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Eitan Adler
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Lars Engels wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: >> > These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . >> >> >Thank you very much . >> >> >Mehmet Erol Sanliturk >> >> you're right, these were discussed on th

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Lars Engels wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: >> > These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . >> >> >Thank you very much . >> >> >Mehmet Erol Sanliturk >> >> you're right, these were discussed on th

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Lars Engels
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: > > These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . > > >Thank you very much . > > >Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > you're right, these were discussed on the mailinglists also > _but_ FreeBSD is not a distribution >

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread rloefgren
Quoting Mike Tancsa : > On 12/23/2011 11:07 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > Hey up list, > > Look, just a rant here. > > Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than > > FOUR security advisories today ? > > > The Security Officer explained it was because one of them was b

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: >> Are all cvs mirror servers updated regarding these changes ? >> >> ANYBODY > > Should have by now.  Commits usually take about an hour to propagate to > the official cvsup servers. > > E

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 23/12/2011 18:05, George Kontostanos wrote: > Are all cvs mirror servers updated regarding these changes ? > > ANYBODY Should have by now. Commits usually take about an hour to propagate to the official cvsup servers. Easy enough to tell though -- the advisories have all the version num

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 12/23/2011 12:25 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> >> It is this chroot issue that bothers me.  From my reading of the ftpd >> man page, if I have anonymous ftp to my server, it seems that I am using >> chroot with ftpd, and there is no

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Guy Helmer
On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On 12/23/2011 10:56 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >> Also, the chroot issue has been public for some time along with sample >> exploits. Same with BIND which was fixed some time ago. Judgment call, >> and I think they made the right cal

Re: Goo lists to subscribe to hear quickly about vulns ? ( was: Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool)

2011-12-23 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 23/12/2011 17:25, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > I'm subscribed to the BIND ML but I don't recall seeing an advisory > there ahead of today. The BIND vulnerability was discussed on bind-users last month, and updates were pushed to the ports and RELENG_7 and RELENG_8 pretty much straight away. RELENG

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 12/23/2011 12:25 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > It is this chroot issue that bothers me. From my reading of the ftpd > man page, if I have anonymous ftp to my server, it seems that I am using > chroot with ftpd, and there is no way to stop this happening. > > Am I correct, or have I

Re: Goo lists to subscribe to hear quickly about vulns ? ( was: Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool)

2011-12-23 Thread Bas Smeelen
On topic, where do you guys subscribe to know of these vulns ahead of their release on the ML ? security, stable and questions it has been discussed here and there Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list ht

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Michael Butler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/23/11 11:53, Karl Denninger wrote: > I happen to APPLAUD the FreeBSD Security team for doing this. > > I WANT security fixes out as soon as reasonably possible. You're NOT > telling the bad guys anything they don't already know, but you ARE > m

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread George Kontostanos
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On 12/23/2011 10:56 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >> Also, the chroot issue has been public for some time along with sample >> exploits. Same with BIND which was fixed some time ago.  Judgment call, >> and I think they made the right ca

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Bas Smeelen
> These vulnerabilities are known many days before in other distributions . >Thank you very much . >Mehmet Erol Sanliturk you're right, these were discussed on the mailinglists also _but_ FreeBSD is not a distribution It is *a complete operating system* Happy holidays Disclaimer: http://www.os

Re: Goo lists to subscribe to hear quickly about vulns ? ( was: Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool)

2011-12-23 Thread Shawn Webb
I usually hear about them from other people. I also subscribe to the full-disclosure mailinglist. On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On topic, where do you guys subscribe to know of these vulns ahead of > their release on the ML ? > > I'm subscribed to the BIND ML but I do

Goo lists to subscribe to hear quickly about vulns ? ( was: Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool)

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On topic, where do you guys subscribe to know of these vulns ahead of their release on the ML ? I'm subscribed to the BIND ML but I don't recall seeing an advisory there ahead of today. On 12/23/11 6:03 PM, Shawn Webb wrote: > Some people (like me) already knew about the vulnerabilities. And > o

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
On 12/23/2011 10:56 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote: Also, the chroot issue has been public for some time along with sample exploits. Same with BIND which was fixed some time ago. Judgment call, and I think they made the right call at least from my perspective. It is this chroot issue that bothers me.

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Friday, December 23, 2011 11:07:56 am Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > Hey up list, > > > > > > > > Look, just a rant here. > > > > > > Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than > > FOUR security advisories today ? >

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
On 12/23/2011 10:07 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? After receiving the fifth security advisory in a few moments, you will get a Christmas message from th

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Karl Denninger
I happen to APPLAUD the FreeBSD Security team for doing this. I WANT security fixes out as soon as reasonably possible. You're NOT telling the bad guys anything they don't already know, but you ARE making it possible for the good guys to raise shields. A "remote root" problem is about as bad as

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Bas Smeelen
>Look, just a rant here. >Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than >FOUR security advisories today ? What's the impact for your boxes? >I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until monday ? Best time to exploit is Christmas/holidays >I for one do

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Shawn Webb
Some people (like me) already knew about the vulnerabilities. And others are already exploiting some of these vulnerabilities. Thanks, Shawn Webb On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > My point (which may or may not be valid) was that if the vulnerabilities > remained *undisc

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 12/23/11 5:54 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: >> Look, just a rant here. > > >> Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than >> FOUR security advisories today ? > What's the impact for your boxes? > Only the BIND exploit concerns me, means that *potentially* servers for my pr

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 12/23/2011 11:07 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Hey up list, > Look, just a rant here. > Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than > FOUR security advisories today ? The Security Officer explained it was because one of them was being actively exploited. http://lists.

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 12/23/11 5:50 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On 12/23/2011 10:07 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Hey up list, >> >> >> >> Look, just a rant here. >> >> >> Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than >> FOUR security advisories today ? > > After receiving the fifth

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Joe Holden
The serious one (telnetd) is already being exploited in the wild, and if you're running telnetd anyway then you can always switch to ssh or acl the port, either way it is a relative non-issue to ignore the update for now... Damien Fleuriot wrote: My point (which may or may not be valid) was t

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
My point (which may or may not be valid) was that if the vulnerabilities remained *undisclosed*, they would have a much lower chance of being exploited. On 12/23/11 5:47 PM, Joe Holden wrote: > So don't update until Monday? The outcome will be the same :) > > Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Hey up li

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Joe Holden
So don't update until Monday? The outcome will be the same :) Damien Fleuriot wrote: Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 12/23/11 5:39 PM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Friday, December 23, 2011 11:07:56 am Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Hey up list, >> >> >> >> Look, just a rant here. >> >> >> Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than >> FOUR security advisories today ? >> >> I mean, couldn't

Re: FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread John Baldwin
On Friday, December 23, 2011 11:07:56 am Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Hey up list, > > > > Look, just a rant here. > > > Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than > FOUR security advisories today ? > > I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until mo

FLAME - security advisories on the 23rd ? uncool idea is uncool

2011-12-23 Thread Damien Fleuriot
Hey up list, Look, just a rant here. Who in *HELL* thought it would be a cool idea to release no less than FOUR security advisories today ? I mean, couldn't this have waited and remained undisclosed until monday ? I for one do *NOT* relish the idea of updating 50+ boxes this evening and tomo