Re: Problem with FreeBSD-11.0-Beta1

[Kevin Oberman]

Filippo,

If you missed it, this is a known issue in BETA1.
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211141
It was nothing you did wrong, but it does not look like there is a fix at
this time.

Please go to the FreeBSD Bugzilla  and
add your report to confirm that this is not a problem unique to a single
user.

Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Kevin Oberman  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> The system was installed as 11_CURRENT and I did not have any issue until
>> ALPHA-4.I did install everything from portsand I did install all of the
>> /etc during mergemaster and mergemaster -p.I do have a another disk with
>> 10.3-STABLE but I never tried to run applications from current in stable or
>> the other way.Filippops I did delete an old library I rebuilt windowmaker
>> and I have no complaint about it
>>
>>
> And, how did you go from ALPHA-4 to BETA-1? If you updated sources and
> rebuilt world and kernel, it should have been fine. If you tried
> freebsd-update, that might explain it as that method is documented as
> broken in BETA-1. I am uncertain what might happen if you tried this. I'd
> expect that the BETA-1 update files would have been removed.
>
> Somehow your password file seems to have lost all of the users since the
> move from ALPHA-4. I suspect /etc/group might have done the same, but I am
> not sure. You might merge all users from the 10.3 system using vipw(8) and
> do the same with your preferred to /etc/group. I have no idea what other
> things might be broken, though, nor how it happened (assuming you did not
> use freebsd-update).
>
> --
> Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
> E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
> PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
>
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2016 6:31 PM, Karl Denninger 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  On 7/15/2016 11:17, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>> > 11.0 has not been released. You are much more likely to get a useful
>> > response from current@.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
>> > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have the following problem when I start the system:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Unknown user name "avahi"  in message bus
>> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkitd"  in
>> message
>> >> bus configuration file
>> >> Unknown user name "polkitd"in message bus
>> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "colord"in
>> message
>> >> bus configuration file
>> >> Unknown user name "pulse"  in message bus
>> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkit"  in
>> >> message bus configuration file
>> > Unknown user name "haldaemon"in message bus configuration
>> file
>> >
>> > Failed to start message bus:
>> >
>> > Could not get VID and GID for username "messagebus"
>> >
>> > /etc/rc:Warning:failed to start dbus
>> >
>> > On the same computer I have a disk with 10.3_STABLE with the same
>> >> configuration files and everything is working properly.When in X  I
>> launch
>> >> firefox I get the following errorLibGL error:
>> > failed to open drm device:Permission denied
>> >
>> > LibGL error :failed to load driver: r 300
>> >
>> > This is very likely due to failure to start dbus
>> >
>> > sincerely
>> >
>> > Filippo
>> >
>> >
>> > Note: I have tried to recover the mail format above. Whatever mail tool
>> you
>> > used totally garbled things by removing line breaks.
>> >
>> > First, how did 11.0Beta-1 get installed? How sis your ports (X11, dbus,
>> > pulseaudio, etc.) get installed? When moving from one major release to
>> > another (10 to 11), you need to reinstall all ports/packages. The
>> > installation process is what creates these"users".
>> >
>> > It looks like you are just trying to run the things in /usr/local from
>> your
>> > 10.3 system. This simply will not work.
>> > --
>> > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
>> > E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
>> > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
>>
>> Actually it SHOULD work unless you deleted the old libraries (in which
>> case it definitely won't!); the dynamic loader is smart enough to do the
>> right thing and load the correct (older) version of the shared libraries
>> required.
>>
>> If this has been broken in recent releases IMHO that's not so good.
>> There *are* instances where an older binary is all there is for a given
>> application (e.g. from a vendor!) and thus backward compatibility when
>> you roll forward the operating system is something that a lot of people
>> (myself included) have both used and relied 

Re: Problem with FreeBSD-11.0-Beta1

[Kevin Oberman]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:

> The system was installed as 11_CURRENT and I did not have any issue until
> ALPHA-4.I did install everything from portsand I did install all of the
> /etc during mergemaster and mergemaster -p.I do have a another disk with
> 10.3-STABLE but I never tried to run applications from current in stable or
> the other way.Filippops I did delete an old library I rebuilt windowmaker
> and I have no complaint about it
>
>
And, how did you go from ALPHA-4 to BETA-1? If you updated sources and
rebuilt world and kernel, it should have been fine. If you tried
freebsd-update, that might explain it as that method is documented as
broken in BETA-1. I am uncertain what might happen if you tried this. I'd
expect that the BETA-1 update files would have been removed.

Somehow your password file seems to have lost all of the users since the
move from ALPHA-4. I suspect /etc/group might have done the same, but I am
not sure. You might merge all users from the 10.3 system using vipw(8) and
do the same with your preferred to /etc/group. I have no idea what other
things might be broken, though, nor how it happened (assuming you did not
use freebsd-update).
--
Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683


On Friday, July 15, 2016 6:31 PM, Karl Denninger 
> wrote:
>
>
>  On 7/15/2016 11:17, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > 11.0 has not been released. You are much more likely to get a useful
> > response from current@.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
> > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I have the following problem when I start the system:
> >
> >
> >> Unknown user name "avahi"  in message bus
> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkitd"  in
> message
> >> bus configuration file
> >> Unknown user name "polkitd"in message bus
> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "colord"in
> message
> >> bus configuration file
> >> Unknown user name "pulse"  in message bus
> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkit"  in
> >> message bus configuration file
> > Unknown user name "haldaemon"in message bus configuration
> file
> >
> > Failed to start message bus:
> >
> > Could not get VID and GID for username "messagebus"
> >
> > /etc/rc:Warning:failed to start dbus
> >
> > On the same computer I have a disk with 10.3_STABLE with the same
> >> configuration files and everything is working properly.When in X  I
> launch
> >> firefox I get the following errorLibGL error:
> > failed to open drm device:Permission denied
> >
> > LibGL error :failed to load driver: r 300
> >
> > This is very likely due to failure to start dbus
> >
> > sincerely
> >
> > Filippo
> >
> >
> > Note: I have tried to recover the mail format above. Whatever mail tool
> you
> > used totally garbled things by removing line breaks.
> >
> > First, how did 11.0Beta-1 get installed? How sis your ports (X11, dbus,
> > pulseaudio, etc.) get installed? When moving from one major release to
> > another (10 to 11), you need to reinstall all ports/packages. The
> > installation process is what creates these"users".
> >
> > It looks like you are just trying to run the things in /usr/local from
> your
> > 10.3 system. This simply will not work.
> > --
> > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
> > E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
> > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
>
> Actually it SHOULD work unless you deleted the old libraries (in which
> case it definitely won't!); the dynamic loader is smart enough to do the
> right thing and load the correct (older) version of the shared libraries
> required.
>
> If this has been broken in recent releases IMHO that's not so good.
> There *are* instances where an older binary is all there is for a given
> application (e.g. from a vendor!) and thus backward compatibility when
> you roll forward the operating system is something that a lot of people
> (myself included) have both used and relied on for a very long time.
>
> Yes, I understand that you can't *count* on that working, particularly
> if the app in question makes explicit reference to things in the kernel
> environment.  But absent that they certainly should run.
>
> One instance where they didn't was with the armv6/armv6hf case where the
> floating point format changed, but that happened in the -CURRENT
> environment where ABI breakage is a known (and thus accepted) risk of
> running -CURRENT.  (That particular one manifested in some nasty ways
> too in that going the "wrong way" would result in a binary that
> executed, did not produce any exceptions or traps, but produced
> incorrect floating-point results!  I have code "in the 

Re: Problem with FreeBSD-11.0-Beta1

[Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable]

The system was installed as 11_CURRENT and I did not have any issue until 
ALPHA-4.I did install everything from portsand I did install all of the /etc 
during mergemaster and mergemaster -p.I do have a another disk with 10.3-STABLE 
butI never tried to run applications from current in stable or the other 
way.Filippops I did delete an old library I rebuilt windowmaker and I have no 
complaint about it 

On Friday, July 15, 2016 6:31 PM, Karl Denninger  wrote:
 

 On 7/15/2016 11:17, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> 11.0 has not been released. You are much more likely to get a useful
> response from current@.
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> I have the following problem when I start the system:
>
>
>> Unknown user name "avahi"                      in message bus
>> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkitd"                  in message
>> bus configuration file
>> Unknown user name "polkitd"                    in message bus
>> configuration fileUnknown user name "colord"                    in message
>> bus configuration file
>> Unknown user name "pulse"                      in message bus
>> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkit"                      in
>> message bus configuration file
> Unknown user name "haldaemon"            in message bus configuration file
>
> Failed to start message bus:
>
> Could not get VID and GID for username "messagebus"
>
> /etc/rc:Warning:failed to start dbus
>
> On the same computer I have a disk with 10.3_STABLE with the same
>> configuration files and everything is working properly.When in X  I launch
>> firefox I get the following errorLibGL error:
> failed to open drm device:Permission denied
>
> LibGL error :failed to load driver: r 300
>
> This is very likely due to failure to start dbus
>
> sincerely
>
> Filippo
>
>
> Note: I have tried to recover the mail format above. Whatever mail tool you
> used totally garbled things by removing line breaks.
>
> First, how did 11.0Beta-1 get installed? How sis your ports (X11, dbus,
> pulseaudio, etc.) get installed? When moving from one major release to
> another (10 to 11), you need to reinstall all ports/packages. The
> installation process is what creates these"users".
>
> It looks like you are just trying to run the things in /usr/local from your
> 10.3 system. This simply will not work.
> --
> Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
> E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
> PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683

Actually it SHOULD work unless you deleted the old libraries (in which
case it definitely won't!); the dynamic loader is smart enough to do the
right thing and load the correct (older) version of the shared libraries
required.

If this has been broken in recent releases IMHO that's not so good. 
There *are* instances where an older binary is all there is for a given
application (e.g. from a vendor!) and thus backward compatibility when
you roll forward the operating system is something that a lot of people
(myself included) have both used and relied on for a very long time.

Yes, I understand that you can't *count* on that working, particularly
if the app in question makes explicit reference to things in the kernel
environment.  But absent that they certainly should run.

One instance where they didn't was with the armv6/armv6hf case where the
floating point format changed, but that happened in the -CURRENT
environment where ABI breakage is a known (and thus accepted) risk of
running -CURRENT.  (That particular one manifested in some nasty ways
too in that going the "wrong way" would result in a binary that
executed, did not produce any exceptions or traps, but produced
incorrect floating-point results!  I have code "in the wild" that checks
for this specific circumstance on startup "just in case")

Now if you do perform a merge and only accept part of it you can get in
a lot of trouble with user and group IDs and similar, which is what
appears to have happened here.  It's pretty easy to get bit by that if
you have local changes in your passwd and group files (and most people
do), "leave them for later" and then don't go back and merge the new
entries by hand.  That sounds like what's occurred here; check in
/var/tmp, assuming you told mergemaster to keep it when done.

Since the svn repo for stable/11 is now there and when checked out
builds BETA1 this IMHO appears to be the right place to discuss it.

-- 
Karl Denninger
k...@denninger.net 
/The Market Ticker/
/[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/

  
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Re: Problem with FreeBSD-11.0-Beta1

[Karl Denninger]

On 7/15/2016 11:17, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> 11.0 has not been released. You are much more likely to get a useful
> response from current@.
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
>
>> I have the following problem when I start the system:
>
>
>> Unknown user name "avahi"  in message bus
>> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkitd"   in message
>> bus configuration file
>> Unknown user name "polkitd"in message bus
>> configuration fileUnknown user name "colord" in message
>> bus configuration file
>> Unknown user name "pulse"  in message bus
>> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkit"  in
>> message bus configuration file
> Unknown user name "haldaemon"in message bus configuration file
>
> Failed to start message bus:
>
> Could not get VID and GID for username "messagebus"
>
> /etc/rc:Warning:failed to start dbus
>
> On the same computer I have a disk with 10.3_STABLE with the same
>> configuration files and everything is working properly.When in X  I launch
>> firefox I get the following errorLibGL error:
> failed to open drm device:Permission denied
>
> LibGL error :failed to load driver: r 300
>
> This is very likely due to failure to start dbus
>
> sincerely
>
> Filippo
>
>
> Note: I have tried to recover the mail format above. Whatever mail tool you
> used totally garbled things by removing line breaks.
>
> First, how did 11.0Beta-1 get installed? How sis your ports (X11, dbus,
> pulseaudio, etc.) get installed? When moving from one major release to
> another (10 to 11), you need to reinstall all ports/packages. The
> installation process is what creates these"users".
>
> It looks like you are just trying to run the things in /usr/local from your
> 10.3 system. This simply will not work.
> --
> Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
> E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
> PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683

Actually it SHOULD work unless you deleted the old libraries (in which
case it definitely won't!); the dynamic loader is smart enough to do the
right thing and load the correct (older) version of the shared libraries
required.

If this has been broken in recent releases IMHO that's not so good. 
There *are* instances where an older binary is all there is for a given
application (e.g. from a vendor!) and thus backward compatibility when
you roll forward the operating system is something that a lot of people
(myself included) have both used and relied on for a very long time.

Yes, I understand that you can't *count* on that working, particularly
if the app in question makes explicit reference to things in the kernel
environment.  But absent that they certainly should run.

One instance where they didn't was with the armv6/armv6hf case where the
floating point format changed, but that happened in the -CURRENT
environment where ABI breakage is a known (and thus accepted) risk of
running -CURRENT.  (That particular one manifested in some nasty ways
too in that going the "wrong way" would result in a binary that
executed, did not produce any exceptions or traps, but produced
incorrect floating-point results!  I have code "in the wild" that checks
for this specific circumstance on startup "just in case")

Now if you do perform a merge and only accept part of it you can get in
a lot of trouble with user and group IDs and similar, which is what
appears to have happened here.  It's pretty easy to get bit by that if
you have local changes in your passwd and group files (and most people
do), "leave them for later" and then don't go back and merge the new
entries by hand.  That sounds like what's occurred here; check in
/var/tmp, assuming you told mergemaster to keep it when done.

Since the svn repo for stable/11 is now there and when checked out
builds BETA1 this IMHO appears to be the right place to discuss it.

-- 
Karl Denninger
k...@denninger.net 
/The Market Ticker/
/[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/


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Re: Problem with FreeBSD-11.0-Beta1

[Kevin Oberman]

11.0 has not been released. You are much more likely to get a useful
response from current@.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:

> I have the following problem when I start the system:



> Unknown user name "avahi"  in message bus
> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkitd"   in message
> bus configuration file
> Unknown user name "polkitd"in message bus
> configuration fileUnknown user name "colord" in message
> bus configuration file
> Unknown user name "pulse"  in message bus
> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkit"  in
> message bus configuration file

Unknown user name "haldaemon"in message bus configuration file

Failed to start message bus:

Could not get VID and GID for username "messagebus"

/etc/rc:Warning:failed to start dbus

On the same computer I have a disk with 10.3_STABLE with the same
> configuration files and everything is working properly.When in X  I launch
> firefox I get the following errorLibGL error:

failed to open drm device:Permission denied

LibGL error :failed to load driver: r 300

This is very likely due to failure to start dbus

sincerely

Filippo


Note: I have tried to recover the mail format above. Whatever mail tool you
used totally garbled things by removing line breaks.

First, how did 11.0Beta-1 get installed? How sis your ports (X11, dbus,
pulseaudio, etc.) get installed? When moving from one major release to
another (10 to 11), you need to reinstall all ports/packages. The
installation process is what creates these"users".

It looks like you are just trying to run the things in /usr/local from your
10.3 system. This simply will not work.
--
Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
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Problem with FreeBSD-11.0-Beta1

[Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable]

I have the following problem when I start the system:Unknown user name "avahi"  
    in message bus configuration fileUnknown user name 
"polkitd"   in message bus configuration file
Unknown user name "polkitd"    in message bus configuration 
fileUnknown user name "colord"     in message bus configuration 
file
Unknown user name "pulse"  in message bus configuration 
fileUnknown user name "polkit"  in message bus 
configuration fileUnknown user name "haldaemon"    in message bus 
configuration fileFailed to start message bus:Could not get VID and GID for 
username "messagebus"/etc/rc:Warning:failed to start dbusOn the same computer I 
have a disk with 10.3_STABLE with the same configuration files and everything 
is working properly.When in X  I launch firefox I get the following errorLibGL 
error: failed to open drm device:Permission deniedLibGL error :failed to load 
driver: r 300This is verylikely due to failure to start dbus.sincerelyFilippo

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