Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-05 Thread Oliver Fromme
Doug Barton wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: By the way, I have changed from hints to slaves on the DNS servers for a large server farm (just testing right now; I might go back to hints if I don't feel it's worth it). Depending on how many name servers you have you might get a

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-04 Thread David Magda
On Aug 2, 2007, at 18:16, Kevin Oberman wrote: Also, the root zone is updated twice a day, every day (at least to the extent of a serial number bump) whether it is needed or not. Forcing the minimum refresh to once a day could delay the recognition of a new zone for up to a day and that is

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-04 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Jo Rhett wrote: On Aug 3, 2007, at 6:12 PM, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: I would appreciate it if the personal attacks ceased. There was no personal attack there. I never called him names or made any remark about his lifestyle or anything else. I did say that he isn't paying attention

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-04 Thread Doug Barton
Oliver Fromme wrote: By the way, I have changed from hints to slaves on the DNS servers for a large server farm (just testing right now; I might go back to hints if I don't feel it's worth it). Depending on how many name servers you have you might get a bigger win by slaving the root to one

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-03 Thread Oliver Fromme
Doug Barton wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: However, I noticed that the refresh interval of the root zone is 1800, i.e. it would be fetched every 30 minutes, No, refresh is how often the master servers are checked for serial number changes. True, I forgot about that. Thanks for

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-03 Thread Jo Rhett
On Aug 2, 2007, at 3:05 AM, Doug Barton wrote: I hope that we can now dial down the volume on the meta-issue of how the change was done, and focus on the operational issues of whether it's a good idea or not. Which has been answered to you, repeatedly, by the very people who know this best.

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-03 Thread Jo Rhett
On Aug 3, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Doug Barton wrote: I'm getting tired of repeating this. A lot of really smart people are lined up on BOTH sides of this issue. You might want to take another look at the threads about this on the OARC list (or even this list for that matter) and try to have an

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-03 Thread Doug Barton
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Jo Rhett wrote: On Aug 2, 2007, at 3:05 AM, Doug Barton wrote: I hope that we can now dial down the volume on the meta-issue of how the change was done, and focus on the operational issues of whether it's a good idea or not. Which has been answered to you, repeatedly, by

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-03 Thread Jo Rhett
On Aug 3, 2007, at 6:12 PM, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: I would appreciate it if the personal attacks ceased. There was no personal attack there. I never called him names or made any remark about his lifestyle or anything else. I did say that he isn't paying attention to the people

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-03 Thread John Merryweather Cooper
Jo Rhett wrote: On Aug 3, 2007, at 5:25 PM, Doug Barton wrote: I'm getting tired of repeating this. A lot of really smart people are lined up on BOTH sides of this issue. You might want to take another look at the threads about this on the OARC list (or even this list for that matter) and try

named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 In an effort to find some kind of balance (I won't even try to say consensus) between those who hate the idea of slaving the root zones, those who like the idea but don't want it to be the default, and those who like the idea, I've made the

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
Skip Ford wrote: If the operators were required to support it, I think everyone should slave the roots, not just those running busy servers. Actually I don't think that's the right way to do it at all. What is needed here is a reliable (DNSSEC, or at least TSIG) out of band method to allow

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Skip Ford
Doug Barton wrote: In an effort to find some kind of balance (I won't even try to say consensus) between those who hate the idea of slaving the root zones, those who like the idea but don't want it to be the default, and those who like the idea, I've made the following change: 1. Change the

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Edwin Groothuis
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 06:34:59AM -0400, Skip Ford wrote: Doug Barton wrote: In an effort to find some kind of balance (I won't even try to say consensus) between those who hate the idea of slaving the root zones, those who like the idea but don't want it to be the default, and those who

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Oliver Fromme
Hi, Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default being a hint zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to be used for those who know what they're doing. However, I noticed that the refresh interval of the root zone is 1800, i.e. it would be fetched every 30 minutes,

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
Oliver Fromme wrote: Hi, Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default being a hint zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to be used for those who know what they're doing. Thanks. However, I noticed that the refresh interval of the root zone is 1800, i.e. it

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:49:39PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: Hi, Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default being a hint zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to be used for those who know what they're doing. I second this. And

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:49:39PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: Hi, Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default being a hint zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to be used for those who know what they're doing. I

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:42:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default being a hint zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to be used for those who know what they're doing.

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Andrews
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:49:39PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: Hi, Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default being a hint zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to be used for those who know what they're

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Andrews
Hi, Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default being a hint zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to be used for those who know what they're doing. However, I noticed that the refresh interval of the root zone is 1800, i.e. it would be fetched every 30

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Christopher Vance
I've been using a stub root zone for years without a problem. -- Christopher ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Skip Ford
Doug Barton wrote: Skip Ford wrote: Just like I'd think everyone should sync with stratum-1 servers if those operators supported everyone doing that. I've already pointed out that this is a silly analogy, as the two things have nothing in common. At the most basic level: Individual